13 Sep
2014
13 Sep
'14
2:08 p.m.
I've been trying to get my IBM 3174 establishment controller (to which my IBM 3179
terminals are connected) communicating with the Hercules emulator over TCP/IP. Hercules
is an IBM 370/390/z-Series emulator.
I wanted a more immersive feeling of actually using a mainframe than using TN3270
emulators. They just didn't CUT it (little pun there).
After much grumbling and pulling out what little hair I have left, I finally managed to
get everything working as evidenced here:
http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/Mainframe_Fun.html
The real challenge was getting the 3174 configured as there are literally 100s of
configuration questions that need to be answered correctly. The configuration manual for
the 3174 is 800+ pages and the questions from the configuration utility are of the form
Q110: ___. You *really* need to read and understand how the 3174 is set up in order to do
this right (along with filling out what seemed like 100 worksheets).
The big breakthrough came when I figured out that the 3174 was complaining that I
didn't have enough memory for the configuration I was specifying. It seemed odd,
since I had 4MB of memory...the max on most 3174s (some could go as high as 6MB). After
finally cutting the configuration down to the absolute bare minimum I was finally able to
get the "Connection Menu" to show up which allowed me to select from the
configured hosts.
For those paying attention, the 399 on the 3174 status display is indicating that the SDLC
link is not connected. I don't particularly care, so long as the ethernet and TCP/IP
work. ;-)
If there are others on this list that are trying to do the same thing and haven't made
progress, let me know...the details are still fresh in my head. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
13 Sep
13 Sep
2:45 p.m.
On 9/13/2014 3:08 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I've been trying to get my IBM 3174 establishment
controller (to which my IBM 3179 terminals are connected) communicating with the Hercules
emulator over TCP/IP. Hercules is an IBM 370/390/z-Series emulator.
I wanted a more immersive feeling of actually using a mainframe than using TN3270
emulators. They just didn't CUT it (little pun there).
After much grumbling and pulling out what little hair I have left, I finally managed to
get everything working as evidenced here:
http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/Mainframe_Fun.html
The real challenge was getting the 3174 configured as there are literally 100s of
configuration questions that need to be answered correctly. The configuration manual for
the 3174 is 800+ pages and the questions from the configuration utility are of the form
Q110: ___. You *really* need to read and understand how the 3174 is set up in order to do
this right (along with filling out what seemed like 100 worksheets).
The big breakthrough came when I figured out that the 3174 was complaining that I
didn't have enough memory for the configuration I was specifying. It seemed odd,
since I had 4MB of memory...the max on most 3174s (some could go as high as 6MB). After
finally cutting the configuration down to the absolute bare minimum I was finally able to
get the "Connection Menu" to show up which allowed me to select from the
configured hosts.
For those paying attention, the 399 on the 3174 status display is indicating that the
SDLC link is not connected. I don't particularly care, so long as the ethernet and
TCP/IP work. ;-)
If there are others on this list that are trying to do the same thing and haven't
made progress, let me know...the details are still fresh in my head. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
I have two of the Token Ring units in stock to give it a try. I should
dig out the pile and hook up what I have.
I bought a Cisco Token ring router which I need to configure, as I
initially used a system with a Madge card. I figure the Cisco will be
more compact.
I have your thread (I am guessing you are the one with the recent
thread) on the Ibm-legacy group, as well as Jay Maynards and Mike Ross's
notes on getting a 3174 to work.
Good to see you got it going.
thanks
jim
3:20 p.m.
On Sep 13, 2014, at 3:45 PM, jwsmobile <jws at
jwsss.com> wrote:
Yes, that was me on that thread. ;-)
I'm so happy to have this running now. I just wasn't getting in the mainframe
"feel" using a telnet session. With the 3179s it feel much more like it did
when I was using them when I was at IBM. I Just wish that UPS hadn't lost the 3278 I
had purchased. :-(
TTFN - Guy
On 9/13/2014 3:08 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I've been trying to get my IBM 3174 establishment controller (to which my IBM 3179
terminals are connected) communicating with the Hercules emulator over TCP/IP. Hercules
is an IBM 370/390/z-Series emulator.
I wanted a more immersive feeling of actually using a mainframe than using TN3270
emulators. They just didn't CUT it (little pun there).
After much grumbling and pulling out what little hair I have left, I finally managed to
get everything working as evidenced here:
http://www.shiresoft.com/new-shop/Shiresoft/Mainframe_Fun.html
The real challenge was getting the 3174 configured as there are literally 100s of
configuration questions that need to be answered correctly. The configuration manual for
the 3174 is 800+ pages and the questions from the configuration utility are of the form
Q110: ___. You *really* need to read and understand how the 3174 is set up in order to do
this right (along with filling out what seemed like 100 worksheets).
The big breakthrough came when I figured out that the 3174 was complaining that I
didn't have enough memory for the configuration I was specifying. It seemed odd,
since I had 4MB of memory...the max on most 3174s (some could go as high as 6MB). After
finally cutting the configuration down to the absolute bare minimum I was finally able to
get the "Connection Menu" to show up which allowed me to select from the
configured hosts.
For those paying attention, the 399 on the 3174 status display is indicating that the
SDLC link is not connected. I don't particularly care, so long as the ethernet and
TCP/IP work. ;-)
If there are others on this list that are trying to do the same thing and haven't
made progress, let me know...the details are still fresh in my head. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
I have two of the Token Ring units in stock to give it a try. I should
dig out the pile and hook up what I have.
I bought a Cisco Token ring router which I need to configure, as I initially used a
system with a Madge card. I figure the Cisco will be more compact.
I have your thread (I am guessing you are the one with the recent thread) on the
Ibm-legacy group, as well as Jay Maynards and Mike Ross's notes on getting a 3174 to
work.
Good to see you got it going.
4:08 p.m.
On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Al Kossow <aek at
bitsavers.org> wrote:
Are you sure it's not a 3178? 3278 was two units: "display" and keyboard.
The keyboard is not a PC keyboard. I have the keyboard for the 3278 as it was packed and
shipped separately....grr.
Thanks. I'm going to try and make it to next month's DCL.
TTFN - Guy
On 9/13/14 4:20 PM, Shiresoft wrote:
I Just wish that UPS hadn't lost the 3278 I had purchased.
Was going to tell you this at lunch today, but I found you a 3278 base (no kb/monitor)
and DeAnza today.
4:56 p.m.
On 9/13/14 5:08 PM, Shiresoft wrote:
oops. typo.
one of these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-TERMINAL-POWER-SUPPLY-3178C-/160806488260
On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Al Kossow <aek
at bitsavers.org> wrote:
Are you sure it's not a 3178? On 9/13/14 4:20 PM, Shiresoft wrote:
I Just wish that UPS hadn't lost the 3278 I had purchased.
Was going to tell you this at lunch today, but I found you a 3278 base (no kb/monitor)
and DeAnza today.
8:05 p.m.
On Sep 13, 2014, at 6:51 PM, William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks! Let me know specifics (price, shipping, etc). I'd be interested in at least
two. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
Are you sure
it's not a 3178? 3278 was two units: "display" and keyboard. The keyboard
is not a PC keyboard. I have the keyboard for the 3278 as it was packed and shipped
separately....grr.
I have a line on a good pile of 3278s - I will see what I can do. 
10:23 p.m.
Hi there!
Might I ask you about your line on the 3278's, and might there be the possibility
for other interested parties, such as myself, to acquire one? :)
Thanks!!
-Ben
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2014, at 6:53 PM, "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
wrote:
Are you sure
it's not a 3178? 3278 was two units: "display" and keyboard. The keyboard
is not a PC keyboard. I have the keyboard for the 3278 as it was packed and shipped
separately....grr.
I have a line on a good pile of 3278s - I will see what I can do.
--
Will 
15 Sep
15 Sep
5:53 a.m.
I'm another person interested in a working 3278.
-Bob
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Hi there!
Might I ask you about your line on the 3278's, and might there be the possibility
for other interested parties, such as myself, to acquire one? :)
Thanks!!
-Ben
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2014, at 6:53 PM, "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
wrote:
Are you sure
it's not a 3178? 3278 was two units: "display" and keyboard. The keyboard
is not a PC keyboard. I have the keyboard for the 3278 as it was packed and shipped
separately....grr.
I have a line on a good pile of 3278s - I will see what I can do.
--
Will
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