18 Oct
2001
18 Oct
'01
3 a.m.
I just went to a local computer show today. I was
happy to find that a
few vendors had components available from disassembled computers or
whatever. I picked up a 3com 3C905-TX PCI ethernet card, an ATI Mach64
video card, and a very nice Sound Blaster 16, all used of course. The
Mach64 had "Monitor" written in marker on the slot cover. Do office
people really need to remind themselves where to plug the monitor in? I
have also seen a 3.5" floppy drives marked "hard drive a:" and the
5.25"
floppy, marked, "floppy drive b:". What's the deal?
Yes... they really are that dumb... at least the ones that I have to
support here are. I regularly have to mark cables and drives, or they
screw things up. It seems to most staff here, if it doesn't fit, force
it... so the fact that most cables only fit in one place doesn't stop
them (I have found VGA monitors plugged into MALE 9 pin serial ports...
yes, it can be done... lots and lots of force, but it can be done!).
Of course, sometimes labeling everything can backfire... thanks to my
efforts to make my offices idiot proof (make something idiot proof, and
they'll build a bigger idiot)... my boss now thinks EVERYTHING can be
made that way... he routinely complains that he needs written directions
on how to fix problems with the WIndows NT network... so in case
something unexpected goes wrong while I am out of the office, they can
fix it. He doesn't grasp the difference between looking for a port marked
"Mouse" and diagnosing Win NT problems.
So yes, office people CAN be that dumb.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
18 Oct
18 Oct
1:46 p.m.
Chris skrev:
Yes... they really are that dumb... at least the ones
that I have to
support here are. I regularly have to mark cables and drives, or they
screw things up. It seems to most staff here, if it doesn't fit, force
it... so the fact that most cables only fit in one place doesn't stop
them (I have found VGA monitors plugged into MALE 9 pin serial ports...
yes, it can be done... lots and lots of force, but it can be done!).
There is quite a lot of VGA monitors with D9 female connectors. =)
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
Vi m?ste vara r?dda om varandra
- det ?r det enda reciproka pronomen vi har.
3 p.m.
You can do it, the 9 thicker serial port pins nicely bend the piss out of
the 15 vga pins. Had to charge a user for the repairs on a 3 wk old 19"
monitor for the cost of sending it back to KDS for a new cable, one pin was
bent so bad it broke off. Not the usual thing though - I see a lot of RJ11
telephone plugs stuck into the RJ45 network card jacks. Boy that does a
number on the NIC and the phone system.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Iggy Drougge
-> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:46 PM
-> To: Chris
-> Subject: Re: Are office people really that, umm shall we say...slow?
->
->
-> Chris skrev:
->
-> >Yes... they really are that dumb... at least the ones that I have to
-> >support here are. I regularly have to mark cables and drives, or they
-> >screw things up. It seems to most staff here, if it doesn't fit, force
-> >it... so the fact that most cables only fit in one place doesn't stop
-> >them (I have found VGA monitors plugged into MALE 9 pin serial ports...
-> >yes, it can be done... lots and lots of force, but it can be done!).
->
-> There is quite a lot of VGA monitors with D9 female connectors. =)
->
-> --
-> En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
->
-> Vi m?ste vara r?dda om varandra
-> - det ?r det enda reciproka
-> pronomen vi har.
->
->
->
19 Oct
19 Oct
2:40 a.m.
Russ Blakeman skrev:
You can do it, the 9 thicker serial port pins nicely
bend the piss out of
the 15 vga pins. Had to charge a user for the repairs on a 3 wk old 19"
monitor for the cost of sending it back to KDS for a new cable, one pin was
bent so bad it broke off. Not the usual thing though - I see a lot of RJ11
telephone plugs stuck into the RJ45 network card jacks. Boy that does a
number on the NIC and the phone system.
I'm doing a Tony here, but...
Is replacing the connector/cable on a modern monitor so difficult that it
can't be accomplished without sending it away?
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
"Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac Man affected us as kids,
we'd
all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to
repetitive music."
David McMinn
6:29 a.m.
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On Friday 19 Oct 2001 15:40 pm, Iggy Drougge wrote:
I'm doing a Tony here, but...
Is replacing the connector/cable on a modern monitor so difficult that it
can't be accomplished without sending it away?
It depends :-)
Some monitors (Iiyama springs to mind) just have a connector at the back of
the monitor, so you need to use a cable with a male 15-pin D-sub connector
(is that right? apologies if it isn't) on both ends. If the cable breaks, you
throw it out and replace it with another one.
I have a Sony monitor whose cable broke (not by pushing it into a serial port
;-). The only way of replacing this cable would have been to open up the back
of the monitor, probably unsolder the cable, and resolder a new one. I'll
probably do that when I get back from University. My flat-panel monitor is
the same - the cable is connected inside the display - it can't just be
pulled out and replaced if it breaks. If I remember correctly, most monitors
I've got are like this.
It can be accomplished without sending it away, but for most cases, it's far
safer/easier to send it back for repair (and it doesn't void the warranty for
anyone who cares about such things).
Regards,
Dan (goes back to lurking again)
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On Saturday 20 Oct 2001 00:21 am, Tony Duell wrote:
The subject was about 'office people'. Most(?) IT people wouldn't know how to
solder a monitor connector, or possibly wouldn't be allowed to by either
their company or Health and Safety (no, I don't know much about Health&Safety
Laws). So, yes, for you, and probably most, if not all, people on this list
would be easier to grab an HDE 15 plug and resolder it. For most other
people, it's not.
Dan
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dankolb(a)ox.compsoc.net
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opinions expressed; don't trust everything you read above--
But why would you need to pull the case anyway? Just
replace the plug on
the end of the existing cable.
Well, I was talking about replacing the whole cable. Anyway, being at
University, rather than at home at the moment, means I don't have any of the
right tools to replace even the connector. As I needed a monitor, I thought
it far easier just to buy a new one, and try and repair the old one when I
got back from Uni (plus it was an excuse to get a flat-panel display ;-).
Anyway, before I'd put a new connector on, I'd want to check to make sure
there's no break in the cable between where I'd put the new connector and the
monitor itself - I'd need to open up the case to be able to access the other
end of the cable. (If any of that makes sense).
It can be
accomplished without sending it away, but for most cases, it's
far safer/easier to send it back for repair (and it doesn't void the
warranty for
Easier??? Let me see. I either grab an HDE 15 plug off my bench,
solder
it to the end of the cable, and am up and running again in about 10
minutes, or I dig out the original box for the monitor, spend at least 5
minutes puzzling out how the polystyrene bits fit round the monitor, and
then stagger down to the post office with it. Get it back about 3 weeks
later, and find it's been mishandled by said postal service, so I have to
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On Saturday 20 Oct 2001 19:59 pm, Tony Duell wrote:
I agree. A competent IT guy should be able to fix items like broken
connectors with little effort. And, of course, should be able to build a
computer out of parts (that is, graphics card, CD-ROM, rather than the
individual chips :-) - I'm sure there are people who don't know how to do
that.
Yup :) Although most people who know me know that I have a very low regard
(none, really) for Health and Safety laws - I watch out where I put stuff,
other people should too (okay, probably not the best thing to admit on a
public forum :-)
Dan
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dankolb(a)ox.compsoc.net
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opinions expressed; don't trust everything you read above--
Connector are cheaper than cables. And they're
easier to get. Often the
monitor end of the cable terminates in some strange PCB connectors, of
which there are dozens of varients, many of them almost impossible to
find...
Thanks :-) I didn't know that. To be quite honest, I can't recall ever having
the need to open up monitors before - so far all the one's I've got have
worked fine - it's only the newest one that the cable broke in. Is it just
me, or does new technology seem much less reliable than old(er) stuff?
When I was an undergraduate (admittedly at the other
university), I found
a toolkit to be essential. It's amazing how often you need to fix things.
I had most common hand tools, a soldering station, solder sucker,
multimeter, etc in my room. Even a small 'scope. And I needed them...
To be quite honest, for the very few times I'd need one (possibly once or
twice a year) it's not worth for me to take all the equipment up from home -
it's far easier just to take the faulty item back home and fix it there. I'm
sure you can forgive me not having equipment here (actually, I do have a
soldering iron now, but that's it) :-)
The vidoe lines have 75 )hm termination resistors, so
you can measure the
reisstance between the video cable and its screen. If it tests open
there's a break in the cable. You can normally detect the protection
diodes on digital lines too with an ohmmeter. So you can, in fact, check
for broken wires from the plug end of the cable only.
Thank you. I'll give that a try.
The subject
was about 'office people'. Most(?) IT people wouldn't know
how to solder a monitor connector, or possibly wouldn't be allowed to by
either
As I said in another message, such IT people get no respect from me...
their company
or Health and Safety (no, I don't know much about
Health&Safety
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fix it
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On Saturday 20 Oct 2001 22:18 pm, Tony Duell wrote:
The latter is not important to me, though. I'd
much rather spend n
_thousand_ pounds on a monitor or TV and have a properly built device,
with proper service documetnation, and spares parts that I can go out and
get 10 years later. But apparently I am in the minority here.
Possibly. I can't afford spending thousands of pounds on really good
equipment while being a student, though. Maybe when I get a proper job....
What, no screwdrivers or pliers???
Well, screwdrivers, of course. But they're far more essential than a
soldering iron, so I generally don't count them when listing tools I've got.
It's a given that any self-respecting computer person has a screwdriver set,
isn't it? I don't have any pliers here - again, I haven't had a need for
them, and I've got quite a few at home.
I've never built a PC from cards. Built enough
computers from chips,
though. So I guess I don't know how to make a PC from cards, etc. Or at
least I don't know if I know how to do it :-)
It's the trivial 'plug it in where it fits' system, and some people still
can't manage it :)
[1] Suicide leads, for example. I hate to mention this
on a public list,
but they're a cable with a mains plug at one end and croc clips on the
other. Used for powering up transformers for testing, etc. Totally
lethal, and I don't recomend that anyone here makes a set, OK....
I had something similar where I worked two summers ago - we were looking at
the mains supply on a 'scope, and we just used a plug with a couple stripped
wires coming out of it. After running it for a bit, we decided to put a piece
of plastic over the wires so they wouldn't be touched by accident, and put a
warning on a piece of paper. Actually, the company I worked at *recommended*
that we go ahead with this method (after we suggested we could try and look
at the mains supply with a 'scope). We did have to turn it off and unplug it
when the fire safety people came for an inspection, though.
Dan
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At 10:18 PM 20/10/2001 +0100, you wrote:
Another thing I agree with you on. I've had several
run-ins with safety
officers (one of whom claimed that 5V on exposed wires in a research lab
was dangerous...) We soon learnt how to keep out of their way, and what
to hide [1] when they came round.
[1] Suicide leads, for example. I hate to mention this on a public list,
but they're a cable with a mains plug at one end and croc clips on the
other. Used for powering up transformers for testing, etc. Totally
lethal, and I don't recomend that anyone here makes a set, OK....
-tony
Very handy, Tony. Probably not as lethal on our 110 as on your
220, but careless operation can result in a short course in arc welding.
Cheers
Charlie Fox
Chas E. Fox Video Productions
793 Argyle Rd. Windsor ON N8Y 3J8
foxvideo(a)wincom.net
Check out:
Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com
4:54 p.m.
Hello Dan,
it's only the newest one that the cable broke in.
Is it just me,
or does new technology seem much less reliable than old(er) stuff?
Look at the price of "new" technology v.s "old(er)" stuff. Cost
cutting throws quality right out the window. We've done it to
ourselves when we tried to find the lowest price for things, and
now that we've made our bed, we must lie in it.
Dan Kolb wrote:
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I agree. A competent IT guy should be able to fix items like broken
connectors with little effort. And, of course, should be able to build a
computer out of parts (that is, graphics card, CD-ROM, rather than the
individual chips :-) - I'm sure there are people who don't know how to do
that.
Yup :) Although most people who know me know that I have a very low regard
(none, really) for Health and Safety laws - I watch out where I put stuff,
other people should too (okay, probably not the best thing to admit on a
public forum :-)
Dan
- --
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- --I reserve the right to be completely wrong about any comments or
opinions expressed; don't trust everything you read above--
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Connector are cheaper than cables. And
they're easier to get. Often the
monitor end of the cable terminates in some strange PCB connectors, of
which there are dozens of varients, many of them almost impossible to
find...
Thanks :-) I didn't know that. To be quite honest, I can't recall ever having
the need to open up monitors before - so far all the one's I've got have
worked fine - it's only the newest one that the cable broke in. Is it just
me, or does new technology seem much less reliable than old(er) stuff?
When I was an undergraduate (admittedly at the
other university), I found
a toolkit to be essential. It's amazing how often you need to fix things.
I had most common hand tools, a soldering station, solder sucker,
multimeter, etc in my room. Even a small 'scope. And I needed them...
To be quite honest, for the very few times I'd need one (possibly once or
twice a year) it's not worth for me to take all the equipment up from home -
it's far easier just to take the faulty item back home and fix it there. I'm
sure you can forgive me not having equipment here (actually, I do have a
soldering iron now, but that's it) :-)
The vidoe lines have 75 )hm termination
resistors, so you can measure the
reisstance between the video cable and its screen. If it tests open
there's a break in the cable. You can normally detect the protection
diodes on digital lines too with an ohmmeter. So you can, in fact, check
for broken wires from the plug end of the cable only.
Thank you. I'll give that a try.
The
subject was about 'office people'. Most(?) IT people wouldn't know
how to solder a monitor connector, or possibly wouldn't be allowed to by
either
As I said in another message, such IT people get no respect from me...
their
company or Health and Safety (no, I don't know much about
Health&Safety
Then you smuggle in one of those gas-powered soldering irons and
fix it
when the powers-that-be are not watching :-) 
2:22 p.m.
New subject: List Maintenance
Greetings;
1) Reverse DNS has suddenly stopped working for our netblocks. It appears
this happened a bit ago but really started manifesting itself recently
because the old cached up queries have started to expire. In general terms
this usually isn't THAT big of a deal, but some mail servers these days
won't handle mail from a system that fails a reverse lookup. The problem
isn't with us, it is two hops above us that they have their in-addr.arpa
delegation down to us broken. I'm trying to get them to fix this as soon as
possible.
2) We are in the process of reloading our entire set of servers from scratch
that comprise our internet service. This means upgrading EVERYTHING
including all layered software products. This will take some time as it will
mean fresh installs of 30 some odd FreeBSD machines. Most all the servers
have failover systems, but this list runs on a single machine. While we will
do our very best to prevent any interruptions to classiccmp list traffic, it
is probable that during the upgrade classiccmp service may be intermittent.
We expect to do the machine handling this list around the middle or end of
this coming week. This will certainly get us up to the latest version of
majordomo, which I believe has some speed enhancements for delivery of large
lists of outbound messages. We will also be updating the software that
pulls all the classiccmp posts into the archive at www.classiccmp.org and I
think the new version has a search function built in.
Thanks for your patience & understanding as we improve our infrastructure.
Regards,
Jay West
4:06 a.m.
New subject: OT: Tulip 21041 ethernet driver needed
Since we have so many knowledgable DEC people here, I figured
I'd post this here. I'm in need of driver for Novell Netware 3.12
server for a generic DEC 21041-based ethernet board. The actual
board manufacturer doesn't matter as long as it's for the 21041
chipset or will work with a board based on that chipset.
Hey Netware 3.12 is almost on topic!
Jeff
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7:08 a.m.
New subject: OT: Tulip 21041 ethernet driver needed
Hey Jeff, if the card is PCI, try Kingston.com they make a card, the
EtherRx KNE40BT that has the Tulip chip and the drivers work fine. Also,
the SMC.com SMC PCI EtherPower card is based on the Tulip chip and those
drivers should work. If you need direct links to the drivers for Novell
support, email me at john_boffemmyer_iv(a)boff-net.dhs.org and I'll send ya
the direct links.
BTW: like a sneaky bastard, I found these drivers searching around when I
was looking for my KNE30BT drivers at DEC's WEB SITE!
http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/digital/info/semiconductor/networks-and-commu…
This INCLUDED specific Novell Client AND Server drivers for Tulips and
various versions, including Novell 3.12!!!
- John Boffemmyer IV
At 12:06 PM 10/20/01, you wrote:
Since we have so many knowledgable DEC people
here, I figured I'd
post this here. I'm in need of driver for Novell Netware 3.12 server for
a generic DEC 21041-based ethernet board. The actual board manufacturer
doesn't matter as long as it's for the 21041 chipset or will work with a
board based on that chipset.
Hey Netware 3.12 is almost on topic!
Jeff
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3:26 p.m.
New subject: OT: Tulip 21041 ethernet driver needed
I do believe that the early version of the Netgear FA310TX used that chip as
well.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Boffemmyer IV" <john_boffemmyer_iv(a)boff-net.dhs.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Tulip 21041 ethernet driver needed
Hey Jeff, if the card is PCI, try Kingston.com they
make a card, the
EtherRx KNE40BT that has the Tulip chip and the drivers work fine. Also,
the SMC.com SMC PCI EtherPower card is based on the Tulip chip and those
drivers should work. If you need direct links to the drivers for Novell
support, email me at john_boffemmyer_iv(a)boff-net.dhs.org and I'll send ya
the direct links.
BTW: like a sneaky bastard, I found these drivers searching around when I
was looking for my KNE30BT drivers at DEC's WEB SITE!
http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/digital/info/semiconductor/networks-and-commu…
ions/software/dsc-software-nc.html
This INCLUDED specific Novell Client AND Server drivers for Tulips and
various versions, including Novell 3.12!!!
- John Boffemmyer IV
At 12:06 PM 10/20/01, you wrote:
Since we have so many knowledgable DEC
people here, I figured I'd
post this here. I'm in need of driver for Novell Netware 3.12 server for
a generic DEC 21041-based ethernet board. The actual board manufacturer
doesn't matter as long as it's for the 21041 chipset or will work with a
board based on that chipset.
Hey Netware 3.12 is almost on topic!
Jeff
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and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies
http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html
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21 Oct
21 Oct
8:27 a.m.
New subject: OT: Tulip 21041 ethernet driver needed
On 21-Oct-2001 Richard Erlacher wrote:
I do believe that the early version of the Netgear
FA310TX used that
chip as well.
Yep. I should have the discs that came with a FA310TX around here
somewhere if needed.
-Philip
4:20 a.m.
New subject: OT: Tulip 21041 ethernet driver needed
BTW: like a sneaky bastard, I found these drivers
searching around
when I was looking for my KNE30BT drivers at DEC's WEB SITE!
http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/digital/info/semiconductor/networks-and-commu…
This INCLUDED specific Novell Client AND Server drivers for Tulips
and various versions, including Novell 3.12!!!
Thanks John, that did the trick. I spent part of yesterday
installing 3.12 (10 user) off of floppy disks onto VPC here on my G3.
It has a 100MB SYS partition and a 1.9GB DATA partition, both
partitions as disk files that expand as needed up to their max size
but which otherwise don't take up any more space on the disk than the
total for the data on them. Using the driver you pointed to above, I
got my NeXT to connect to the 3.12 server using the Netware client
included with NeXTstep 3.3. Now all I have to do is figure out what
I've set wrong on the Appletalk setup and to figure out why the SYS
partition keeps trashing one of it's FAT tables.
Take care
Jeff
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20 Oct
20 Oct
9:48 a.m.
New subject: CoCo 3 hot or hmmm
One of my swapmeet friends showed up today with Radio Shack Color Computer
3 in the original box, is it worth anything? (no clue on condition or
completeness etc., but I could look next time).
21 Oct
21 Oct
6:06 a.m.
New subject: List Maintenance
Jay West wrote:
Greetings;
1) Reverse DNS has suddenly stopped working for our netblocks. It appears
this happened a bit ago but really started manifesting itself recently
because the old cached up queries have started to expire. In general terms
this usually isn't THAT big of a deal, but some mail servers these days
won't handle mail from a system that fails a reverse lookup. The problem
isn't with us, it is two hops above us that they have their in-addr.arpa
delegation down to us broken. I'm trying to get them to fix this as soon as
possible.
2) We are in the process of reloading our entire set of servers from scratch
that comprise our internet service. This means upgrading EVERYTHING
including all layered software products. This will take some time as it will
mean fresh installs of 30 some odd FreeBSD machines. Most all the servers
have failover systems, but this list runs on a single machine. While we will
do our very best to prevent any interruptions to classiccmp list traffic, it
is probable that during the upgrade classiccmp service may be intermittent.
We expect to do the machine handling this list around the middle or end of
this coming week. This will certainly get us up to the latest version of
majordomo, which I believe has some speed enhancements for delivery of large
lists of outbound messages. We will also be updating the software that
pulls all the classiccmp posts into the archive at www.classiccmp.org and I
think the new version has a search function built in.
Thanks for your patience & understanding as we improve our infrastructure.
Regards,
Jay West
Jerome Fine replies:
Thank you Jay for the continued service!!
20 Oct
20 Oct
5:41 a.m.
Rumor has it that Tony Duell may have mentioned these words:
Of course the other thing that bothers me is that
people here (who in
general are hackers) don't pull the case of their monitors the day they
get them and measure important voltages inside (at least the CRT
electrode voltages, PSU outputs (if you can find them), flyback-produced
supplies, etc. These will come in _very_ handy when the monitor stops
working. You can quickly see what area(s) the problem must be in.
Well [for me anyway] TV repair was never my strong point -- and that
includes monitors. I just don't like being inside the buggers.
And I've tried to resolder the HDE15 -- once -- and it was a pain, without
the right tools (which, of course, I didn't have...) It took me over 2
hours to solder the thing together *correctly* and have it stress-relieved
enough to last more than a week...
But that's just me. YMMV (and it seems it does! ;-)
Hmmm... At least in the UK, a device has to be 'of
merchantable quality'.
If you do a repair on something, and it subsequently fails in some other
way (say, in this case, the flyback transformer failed a couple of weeks
after you resoldered the connector), then I am pretty sure that if you
can prove your repair had nothing to do with the second failure, then the
company has to give you a refund. Period.
Makes me wanna move to the UK...
In the US, cable failures are not covered under the warranty, but if you
put a new end on the cable to make it functional again, that will void the
warranty with most monitor manufacturers that I've dealt with.
This is why I refuse to purchase a monitor without an HDE15 on *both* ends
from now on... unless it's a "$5 special"
purchased at a "car boot sale" I
believe they're called in the UK -
garage/yard sale here in the US.
On several occasions I've repaired minor faults on
new equipment only to
have other things fail later (things that require expensive parts to
replace). I've never had much trouble convincing the manufacturers that
(a) I am clueful (turning up with the service manual and pointing out the
bits on the schematic is often a good trick :-)) (b) I know what parts I
need to replace and (c) they darn well ought to give be said parts if
they don't want to end up in a small claims court....
Here (sadly), it's the other way around...
Anywho, If I ever get the cash (doubtful) or you find yourself *and me* a
damn-fine paying job (also doubtful) I'll move to the UK and enjoy laws
that protect the clueful... but until then, if it's under warranty, we send
it back.
<sniff>
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
8:43 a.m.
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11:22 a.m.
Hmmm... There are some dangerous voltages inside
monitors,
but equally
there are dangerous voltages in SMPSUs. And in all
sorts
of other things...
11:50 a.m.
Itcan hold a full charge aftre a couple of years, dependant on the circuit
it's attached to and it's outside environment. The lead on the long
screwdriver is fine, but be sure that you wear well insulated shoes and use
only one hand to hold the screwdriver, the other away from the equipment,
preferably in your pocket or to your side. If you lean on the chassis with
one hand while holding the discharge tool with the other you have a direct
path through your arms to your heart, could prove deadly, or at least
thrilling for a split second.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Wayne M. Smith
-> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:22 PM
-> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: Re: Are office people really that, umm shall we say...slow?
->
->
-> > Hmmm... There are some dangerous voltages inside monitors,
-> but equally
-> > there are dangerous voltages in SMPSUs. And in all sorts
-> of other things...
-> >
-> Speaking of which, I'm planning to replace a CRT this
-> weekend and naturally don't want to get a big shock. I've
-> read that one way to discharge a CRT is to use a well
-> insultated screw driver with an alligator clip/wire on the
-> shaft of the driver comnnected to ground, and then insert
-> the end of the driver under the suction cup where the anode
-> meets the tube. Any thoughts on this approach?
->
-> Also, if neither CRT has been on for a week, how much charge
-> likely remains?
->
->
11:51 a.m.
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20 Oct
2:28 p.m.
bent so bad it broke off. Not the usual thing though -
I see a lot of RJ11
telephone plugs stuck into the RJ45 network card jacks. Boy that does a
number on the NIC and the phone system.
What gets me going are the people who plug CAT5 cable into
IPX phone system jacks. It tends to create a nice little spark/flash
due to the the voltages from the phone system and the short caused by
the cable. Generally does a number on modems that some unlucky
person plugs into the same jack.
Jeff
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