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11 Sep
11 Sep
1:01 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On monday, a crew of RICM faithfuls and friends from RCS/RI visited
International Bridge and Iron in Newington, CT. Our purpose was to
rescue to largely intact Univac systems. The oldest, a 9300 went of Bill
Donzelli of RCS/RI. The other system was a Univac 80, ca 1973, and it is
presently sitting quietly in a storage locker until we can give it our
attention.
A vilely hot day, and it was a bit of shock to realise that the 9300 did
not ride on casters, hence a nasty moving job, but everything was loaded
into the truck in a little over 4 hours, including 3 1710 card
punch/verifiers.
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
1:52 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
Figured this was on topic since it's over 10 years old and has a computer
inside... Heh.
I acquired a pair of HP-4952A protocol analyzers. One has version 1.00
1986 software, the other A.02.00 1989 software. I'm wondering if I can
update the software of the older unit. I figured with the vast knowledge
base of this group, someone here probably actually helped designed the
things... :)
Also, I'm looking for a copy of the terminal emulator that came with these.
I know the diskettes can't be copied on the unit, but I'm sure they could be
copied on a *nix box.
Any help would be appreciated.
--John
4:03 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
--- "J.C. Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> wrote:
I acquired a pair of HP-4952A protocol analyzers.
One has version
1.00 1986 software, the other A.02.00 1989 software...
Also, I'm looking for a copy of the terminal emulator that came with
these. I know the diskettes can't be copied on the unit, but I'm sure
they could be copied on a *nix box.
Can't help you with floppy-based HP analyzers, but it leads me to ask
about my own - I have a pair of portable HP protocol analyzers (I
*thought* the numbers were 4951A and 4951B, buit they do not use 3.5"
floppies (that's the 4951C, AFAIK); instead, they use the same sort of
tapes as a DEC TU-58).
I did find this PDF on a Google search:
http://www.helmut-singer.de/pdf/hp4951c-4952a-4954a-4955a-4972a.pdf
Doesn't solve any problems, but it's a nice feature reference.
We did lots and lots with ours, including simulating an IBM 37X5 (PU T4)
up to and including the BIND, with enough RR traffic to fool our PU T2
product into thinking it was logging onto a real system. It's harder
than it sounds, especially given that the menu-based "programming
language" does not allow much creative latitude. I suspect that newer
analyzers (like yours), especially those mentioned in that PDF file,
would have better SNA support. In any case, they were stunning for
BISYNC traffic. Not sure we ever used them for async monitoring, but
they _will_ do it.
Are there any other HP analyzer owners on the list? I'd love to swap
any information.
-ethan
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10:17 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
Ethan,
At 09:02 AM 9/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
--- "J.C. Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> wrote:
I have a 4951. It uses the same tapes as the HP-85, HP 9825, etc. IIRC they're
DC-100 tapes and you can use the same (40MB?) tapes that were used in PCs. You can also
reformat and use DECTapes. But check your drive first, you'll probably find that it
has the same problems (melted tape drive roller) as the HPs usually do.
I acquired a pair of HP-4952A protocol
analyzers. One has version
1.00 1986 software, the other A.02.00 1989 software...
Also, I'm looking for a copy of the terminal emulator that came with
these. I know the diskettes can't be copied on the unit, but I'm sure
they could be copied on a *nix box.
Can't help you with floppy-based HP analyzers, but it leads me to ask
about my own - I have a pair of portable HP protocol analyzers (I
*thought* the numbers were 4951A and 4951B, buit they do not use 3.5"
floppies (that's the 4951C, AFAIK); instead, they use the same sort of
tapes as a DEC TU-58).
I did find this PDF on a Google search:
http://www.helmut-singer.de/pdf/hp4951c-4952a-4954a-4955a-4972a.pdf
Doesn't solve any problems, but it's a nice feature reference.
We did lots and lots with ours, including simulating an IBM 37X5 (PU T4)
up to and including the BIND, with enough RR traffic to fool our PU T2
product into thinking it was logging onto a real system. It's harder
than it sounds, especially given that the menu-based "programming
language" does not allow much creative latitude. I suspect that newer
analyzers (like yours), especially those mentioned in that PDF file,
would have better SNA support. In any case, they were stunning for
BISYNC traffic. Not sure we ever used them for async monitoring, but
they _will_ do it.
Are there any other HP analyzer owners on the list? I'd love to swap
any information.
My 4951 is in storage but I'm pretty sure that there's a operators manual
with it.
Joe
-ethan
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12 Sep
12 Sep
4:56 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
--- Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
Ethan,
At 09:02 AM 9/11/02 -0700, I wrote:
Really? Didn't know the PC tapes would work in the older drives. Given
that the storage capacity of a DECtape and an old PC backup tape are
so wildly different, I didn't assume the media was compatible even if
the shell would fit in the drive.
--- "J.C. Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> wrote:
I have a 4951. It uses the same tapes as the HP-85, HP 9825, etc. IIRC
they're DC-100 tapes and you can use the same (40MB?) tapes that were
used in PCs. I acquired a pair of HP-4952A protocol
analyzers...
I have a pair of portable HP protocol analyzers (...4951A and 4951B) You can also reformat and use DECTapes.
Right. That's what my boss used to do. I have plenty of 4951-formatted
DECtapes to last me a while (5-10, IIRC).
But check your drive first, you'll probably find
that it has the same
problems (melted tape drive roller) as the HPs usually do.
That's a common problem with all these drives. I've already replaced
the melted rubber in one TU-58 with tygon tubing. I can do it again.
Last time I checked (six months ago), the 4951s hadn't melted yet.
My 4951 is in storage but I'm pretty sure
that there's a operators
manual with it.
I have a operator's manual somewhere, too. I'd _really_ love to lay my
hands on a maintenance manual.
-ethan
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6:56 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
At 09:57 AM 9/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
Just be carefull who you tell about that. The DECheads get real sensative to anybody
putting DEc stuff to REAL work. :-)
Me too. I have an option board in mine that had batteries on it that leaked and some
of the surface mount parts fell off. I'd like to get a schematic and fix it.
Fortunatly the machine works fine without it. I got the machine dirt cheap because of the
battery damage and all I had to do to make it work was to unplug that card.
Joe
--- Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
You have to reformat them but yes, the OLD PC tapes work fine in the HPs.
Ethan,
At 09:02 AM 9/11/02 -0700, I wrote:
Really? Didn't know the PC tapes would work in the older drives. Given
that the storage capacity of a DECtape and an old PC backup tape are
so wildly different, I didn't assume the media was compatible even if
the shell would fit in the drive.
--- "J.C. Wren" <jcwren(a)jcwren.com> wrote:
I have a 4951. It uses the same tapes as the HP-85, HP 9825, etc. IIRC
they're DC-100 tapes and you can use the same (40MB?) tapes that were
used in PCs. I acquired a pair of HP-4952A protocol
analyzers...
I have a pair of portable HP protocol analyzers (...4951A and 4951B) You can also reformat and use DECTapes.
Right. That's what my boss used to do. I have plenty of 4951-formatted
DECtapes to last me a while (5-10, IIRC). But check your drive first, you'll probably
find that it has the same
problems (melted tape drive roller) as the HPs usually do.
That's a common problem with all these drives. I've already replaced
the melted rubber in one TU-58 with tygon tubing. I can do it again.
Last time I checked (six months ago), the 4951s hadn't melted yet.
My 4951 is in storage but I'm pretty
sure that there's a operators
manual with it.
I have a operator's manual somewhere, too. I'd _really_ love to lay my
hands on a maintenance manual.
-ethan
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1:17 p.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
I have a 4951. It uses the same tapes as the HP-85,
HP 9825, etc.
IIRC
they're DC-100 tapes and you can use the same (40MB?) tapes that were
used in PCs.
Really? Didn't know the PC tapes would work in the older drives.
Given that the storage capacity of a DECtape and an old PC backup tape
are so wildly different, I didn't assume the media was compatible even
if the shell would fit in the drive. You can also reformat and use DECTapes.
Right. That's what my boss used to do. I have plenty of
4951-formatted DECtapes to last me a while (5-10, IIRC).
3:26 p.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
At 06:18 PM 9/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
You have to reformat them but yes, the OLD PC tapes work fine in the
HPs.
I'd be somewhat surprised. I thought there were some mechanical
differences between DC100 cartridges (HP and DEC) and DC2000 cartridges
(40 MB & up, found on PCs and Macs in the 80s).
There are differences between the DC 100 and DC 2000 tapes. That why I said to get the
***OLD*** 40Mb tapes such as used by the IRWIN tape drives. They are DC-100. A couple of
years ago you could find loads of them surplus but now most of what I find are DC 2000
tapes. The most obvious difference is the width of the tape and the thickness of the
plastic cartridge.
Just be carefull who you tell about that. The DECheads get real
sensative to anybody putting DEc stuff to REAL work. :-)
I've got quite a few reels of DECtape, and I can't imagine how you
could possibly jam them into a cartridge tape slot, nor how they could
be expected to do anything useful if you di.
Presumably the tapes in question are TU58 tapes, which are unfortunately
known as "DECtape II".
You're probably right. I have used any of them in several years.
I have a
4951. It uses the same tapes as the HP-85, HP 9825, etc.
IIRC
they're DC-100 tapes and you can use the same (40MB?) tapes that were
used in PCs.
Really? Didn't know the PC tapes would work in the older drives.
Given that the storage capacity of a DECtape and an old PC backup tape
are so wildly different, I didn't assume the media was compatible even
if the shell would fit in the drive. You can also reformat and use DECTapes.
Right. That's what my boss used to do. I have plenty of
4951-formatted DECtapes to last me a while (5-10, IIRC).
Anyhow, the big problem with reformatting them for use on other systems
is that there is no known way to format them back into TU58 tapes if
you ever need any. :-(
Did anyone ever tell you that a tape in the hand is worth two in the bush? :-)
Joe
13 Sep
13 Sep
2:04 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote:
Yes. You are correct. Original DECtapes were open reel and ran on
TU-55 and TU-56 drives. I wonder what fills the evolutionary tree
as a TU-57 (engineering prototype? unreleased transport? skipped
for marketing reasons?)
>> I
have a 4951. It uses the same tapes as the HP-85, HP 9825, etc.
>> IIRC they're DC-100 tapes...
>> You can also reformat and use DECTapes.
>
>Right. That's what my boss used to do. I have plenty of
>4951-formatted DECtapes to last me a while (5-10, IIRC).
I've got quite a few reels of DECtape, and I can't imagine how you
could possibly jam them into a cartridge tape slot, nor how they could
be expected to do anything useful if you di.
Presumably the tapes in question are TU58 tapes, which are unfortunately
known as "DECtape II". Anyhow, the big problem with reformatting them for use
on other systems
is that there is no known way to format them back into TU58 tapes if
you ever need any. :-(
True.
And I could definitely use some TU58 tapes, but not if
they've been
formatted into something else.
I myself have never done it, but I have used ones that other people
reformatted. Better to use a DC-100 in your HP 4951, clearly, but
14 years ago, faced with two cases of DECtapes (yes, we did have
a bunch bought new from DEC, so not just diagnostic and distro tapes),
my boss chose to sacrifice half-a-dozen tapes. It was his company.
They were his tapes. Now they are mine. :-)
-ethan
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11 Sep
11 Sep
4:47 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
I acquired a pair of HP-4952A protocol analyzers.
[..]
Also, I'm looking for a copy of the terminal
emulator that came with
these.
Terminal emulator? I've used these things for over ten years, and
never heard of a terminal emulator running on them. (Of course, I've
also never had a manual.)
I know the diskettes can't be copied on the unit,
Are you sure? I haven't done it in quite a while, but I thought they
could.
5:07 a.m.
New subject: HP Protocol Analyzers
I can't find a part number for it, but section 17 of the manual for the
4952A talks about it. And yes, this is the first time I've ever seen a
manual, too.
Diskettes can be copied, but copy protected files can only be copied once.
I think what happens is that the master has a bit set indicating the file is
copy protected, and a bit indicating it's copy status. When you copy it,
the unit clears the copy status bit. If you try to copy a file that has the
copy protection bit set, but the copy status cleared, it won't permit a
copy. I don't know about the actual implementation internally, but the
manual talks about copying files.
--John
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To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: HP Protocol Analyzers
I acquired a pair of HP-4952A protocol analyzers.
[..]
Also, I'm looking for a copy of the terminal
emulator that came with
these.
Terminal emulator? I've used these things for over ten years, and
never heard of a terminal emulator running on them. (Of course, I've
also never had a manual.)
I know the diskettes can't be copied on the unit,
Are you sure? I haven't done it in quite a while, but I thought they
could.
5:28 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
Any photo material aviable soon ?
Sipke de Wal
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Merle K. Peirce" <at258(a)osfn.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Univac rescue
On monday, a crew of RICM faithfuls and friends from RCS/RI visited
International Bridge and Iron in Newington, CT. Our purpose was to
rescue to largely intact Univac systems. The oldest, a 9300 went of Bill
Donzelli of RCS/RI. The other system was a Univac 80, ca 1973, and it is
presently sitting quietly in a storage locker until we can give it our
attention.
A vilely hot day, and it was a bit of shock to realise that the 9300 did
not ride on casters, hence a nasty moving job, but everything was loaded
into the truck in a little over 4 hours, including 3 1710 card
punch/verifiers.
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
10:39 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
Any photo material aviable soon ?
I have some poor shots, made when I first discovered the lot about four
months ago. The room was a mess (much more so than Monday), so some of
the pictures are really bad.
9300 CPU and console printer:
http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/Univac01.jpg
Punch Station:
http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/Univac02.jpg
9300 Disk Control:
http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/Univac03.jpg
80 Floppies:
http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/Univac04.jpg
9300 innards:
http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/Univac05.jpg
80 Disk:
http://users.bestweb.net/~toober/images/Univac06.jpg
There is much more, and at least with the 9300, a real photoshoot will
occur some time in the future. Much of the system was buried under junk -
the card reader, card punch, disk drives, and core box. Most of the 80
was also buried.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
10:48 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
William Donzelli wrote:
Wow, after hearing the name since I was but a wee lad, getting to see
one. Brings back memories of "The Jetsons" with the ultimate robot
named 'Uni-blab'.
Just think, our grandkids will think the same over the XTs and Amigas of
the recent past.
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
Any photo material aviable soon ?
5:32 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
Merle K. Peirce wrote:
A vilely hot day, and it was a bit of shock to realise
that the 9300 did
not ride on casters, hence a nasty moving job, but everything was loaded
into the truck in a little over 4 hours, including 3 1710 card
punch/verifiers.
Sounds like a fun day was had by all. Any pictures available ?
-- hbp
12 Sep
12 Sep
6:13 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Are you saying my ES/9000 isn't a real computer? It rides on casters...
24 of them.
Paece... Sridhar
A vilely hot
day, and it was a bit of shock to realise that the 9300 did
not ride on casters, hence a nasty moving job, but everything was loaded
"REAL computers are too big to be on casters"? 
11 Sep
11 Sep
1:25 p.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
I guess that with a couple dozen casters, you can make ANY computer
"portable".
"REAL
computers are too big to be on casters"?
Are you saying my ES/9000 isn't a
real computer? It rides on casters...
24 of them. 
1:55 p.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
I guess that with a couple dozen casters, you can make ANY computer
^^^^^^^
I'd probably add ramps and/or elevators to that list. It's a REAL pain
moving 'real' computers down stairs, or up stairs for that matter.
-- Pat
"REAL computers are too big to be on casters"?
Are you saying my ES/9000
isn't a real computer? It rides on casters...
24 of them. "portable".
2:58 p.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On Thu, 2002-09-12 at 02:55, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Nothing that an anglegrinder cannae sort out.
alex
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like no-one is watching.
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
I guess that with a couple dozen casters, you can make ANY computer
^^^^^^^
I'd probably add ramps and/or elevators to that list. It's a REAL pain
moving 'real' computers down stairs, or up stairs for that matter.
"REAL computers are too big to be on casters"?
Are you saying my ES/9000
isn't a real computer? It rides on casters...
24 of them. 
5:46 p.m.
New subject: VAX 6000-460 Available -- Richmond, VA
Hi all:
In a weak moment I bought a VAX 6000-460 rack at a government surplus auction,
but have now concluded, reluctantly, that I have nowhere to put it. If anyone
from the list wants it, let me know as it is available
for pick-up during the
next week or two. Priority goes to those who will reimburse
me the 60 bucks I
paid for it!
Wayne Smith
19 Sep
19 Sep
5:59 p.m.
New subject: FREE VAX 6000-460 in Richmond, VA
Last call. This is a free VAX 6000-460 rack located at a government facility in
Richmond, VA, strapped to a pallet. It needs to be picked up in the next few
weeks, otherwise it will be consigned to oblivion. If you can take it, reply
and I will provide you with the necessary information.
Please, save this VAX!
-W
27 Feb
27 Feb
3:38 a.m.
New subject: FREE VAX 6000-460 in Richmond, VA
Wayne M. Smith wrote some moths ago:
Last call. This is a free VAX 6000-460 rack located
at a government facility in
Richmond, VA, strapped to a pallet. It needs to be picked up in the next few
weeks, otherwise it will be consigned to oblivion. If you can take it, reply
and I will provide you with the necessary information.
Please, save this VAX!
Was it ever saved? Is it lost now?
regards,
-Gunther
12 Sep
12 Sep
6:14 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
I guess that with a couple dozen casters, you can make ANY computer
^^^^^^^
I'd probably add ramps and/or elevators to that list. It's a REAL pain
moving 'real' computers down stairs, or up stairs for that matter.
If you tried to move my ES/9000 on a ramp, you would probably die a quick
death. Unless, of course you had a lot of help.
Peace... Sridhar
"REAL
computers are too big to be on casters"?
Are you saying my ES/9000 isn't a
real computer? It rides on casters...
24 of them.
13 Sep
13 Sep
6:59 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
--- vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
If you tried to move my ES/9000 on a ramp, you would probably die a quick
death. Unless, of course you had a lot of help.
Peace... Sridhar
I watched a couple of "stooges" try to cart away our 3745 when it went
off lease. We *told* the company that we did not have a loading dock
and that they would need to bring a lift-gate truck. They showed up
with a 16' truck with the built-in aluminum ramp (like a U-Haul).
To their credit, they managed to get it half-way up, but then the
ramp began to torque, probably about 15 degrees each way. It was
almost an undampened oscillation, but at the last second, they
steadied the load and eased it back down. Someone else showed up
the next day with a lift-gate. :-)
-ethan
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15 Sep
15 Sep
7:10 p.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
--- vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
LOL
I'm surprised the ramp didn't snap.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
If you tried to move my ES/9000 on a ramp, you would probably die a quick
death. Unless, of course you had a lot of help.
Peace... Sridhar
I watched a couple of "stooges" try to cart away our 3745 when it went
off lease. We *told* the company that we did not have a loading dock
and that they would need to bring a lift-gate truck. They showed up
with a 16' truck with the built-in aluminum ramp (like a U-Haul).
To their credit, they managed to get it half-way up, but then the
ramp began to torque, probably about 15 degrees each way. It was
almost an undampened oscillation, but at the last second, they
steadied the load and eased it back down. Someone else showed up
the next day with a lift-gate. :-)
13 Sep
13 Sep
8:33 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
--- vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Me, too; but I suppose the side rails have a lot of strength in the
vertical dimension and the torque was possible because of insufficient
stiffness in the lateral dimension.
I forgot to say that the 3745 itself did not *fit* on the ramp - they
balanced it on a 4-caster furniture dolly that did. The bottom of
the 3745 cleared the side rails by less than an inch. The box itself
was at least 72" tall (perhaps 78") and no less than twice as wide as
the ramp!
I think the stooge on the left came about 6" from being crushed by
an FEP.
-ethan
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I watched a couple of "stooges" try to
cart away our 3745 when it went
off lease... the ramp began to torque, probably about 15 degrees each
way...
LOL
I'm surprised the ramp didn't snap.
12 Sep
12 Sep
6:14 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
I guess that with a couple dozen casters, you can make ANY computer
"portable".
The only problem is that if you hit a hill, you're in *big* trouble. 8-)
Peace... Sridhar
"REAL computers are too big to be on
casters"?
Are you saying my ES/9000 isn't a real computer? It rides on
casters...
24 of them. 
13 Sep
13 Sep
5:06 p.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
I work near a mil surplus place, and I saw these
devices like "racks" of casters...could be used for
moving thousands of pounds...very neat. Somthing I
didn't buy because I have no use for it (for a
change).
--- "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
It rides on casters...
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"REAL computers are too big to be on casters"?
Are you saying my ES/9000
isn't a real computer? 24 of them.
I guess that with a couple dozen casters, you can
make ANY computer
"portable".
12 Sep
12 Sep
6:13 a.m.
New subject: Univac rescue
--- "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
wrote:
A vilely hot day, and it was a bit of shock to
realise that the 9300 did
not ride on casters, hence a nasty moving job, but
everything was loaded
"REAL computers are too big to be on casters"?
Real computers require Roll-a-Lifts, or once installed
are never meant to be moved again
(http://www.computerhistory.org/volunteers/past_volunteers/meiko_05132000/).
Lee Courtney
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Yahoo! - We Remember
9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost
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