16 Jun
2004
16 Jun
'04
3:41 p.m.
I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being
developed today.
For example:
- IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits,
- IDE HD interfaces for minis like Bob Shannon's for the HP1000, etc.
- Vince's M452X and W076X PDP-8 replacement boards
- Vince Briel's Replica-1
- Catweasel (I count this as "neo-retro" because it's useful to us)
- Bob Armstrong's SBC6120
- etc.
So basically, I'd like to know about any new hardware (and I guess
software) being developed and/or sold for vintage computers. I'm going to
compile a directory for this stuff and I also have other plans that may or
may not come to fruition.
I imagine you can post them to the list since it might be useful for other
folks to know about these projects, but please copy me directly
<sellam(a)vintage.org>rg>.
Thanks!
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16 Jun
16 Jun
5:22 p.m.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 05:41:19PM -0700, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being
developed today.
For example:
- IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits,
Got one of those (HDD-64 IDE interface for the C-64). I use mine
with a 20MB HP Kittyhawk drive (1.3").
- Vince's M452X and W076X PDP-8 replacement boards
I have some of those that I haven't been home to assemble yet. I'd wanted
to make a 300-baud-multiple crystal controlled clock for my PDP-8/L since
about 1984, but never got around to it... I'm happy Vince did the hard work
of layout and PCB manufacture.
- Bob Armstrong's SBC6120
Got a couple of those, too...
Hmm... I must be a neo-retro-classicist. :-)
Would the 2003-pressing of the Dragon's Lair LaserDisc count? I built my own
Dragon's Lair/Space Ace LED scoreboard from scratch, but I know some people who
bought a hobby-commercial one. That certainly should count. There's a lot of
neo-retro accessories in the video game crowd, especially with DL and SA (complete
cabinets, LaserDisc hardware adapters to use modern LD players with original
board sets, etc.)
I forget who, but someone has built a one-off DF-32 implementation in TTL with
a Dallas battery-backed NVRAM (like a large version of the NVRAM found in SPARC
boxes). There seems to be an implementation bug, so it doesn't work perfectly
with original software, but you can write new stuff from scratch that works
well (there was some sense that was flipped between a DF-32 and the RF-08, it's
related to that, somehow).
There's a new TTL-based 1802 implementation (with toggles and TIL-311s), with
two expansions so far, a keypad and a RS-232 level shifter/RAM/NVRAM board.
I've also seen a project to hang a 3c509 off of a VIC-20.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head for neo-retro stuff. Can't
wait to hear what other people come up with.
-ethan
So basically, I'd like to know about any new
hardware (and I guess
software) being developed and/or sold for vintage computers. I'm going to
compile a directory for this stuff and I also have other plans that may or
may not come to fruition.
I imagine you can post them to the list since it might be useful for other
folks to know about these projects, but please copy me directly
<sellam(a)vintage.org>rg>.
Thanks!
--
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Ethan.Dicks(a)amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html
5:41 p.m.
So basically, I'd like to know about any new
hardware (and I guess
software) being developed and/or sold for vintage computers. I'm going to
compile a directory for this stuff and I also have other plans that may or
may not come to fruition.
http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/
Most of the development proceeds for C64/128 -- I hardly develop for DOS
anymore.
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5:55 p.m.
- Vince's
M452X and W076X PDP-8 replacement boards
I have some of those that I haven't been home to assemble yet. I'd wanted
to make a 300-baud-multiple crystal controlled clock for my PDP-8/L since
about 1984, but never got around to it... I'm happy Vince did the hard of layout and PCB manufacture.
Your'e welcome :-)!
I forget who, but someone has built a one-off DF-32
implementation in TTL
with
a Dallas battery-backed NVRAM (like a large version of
the NVRAM found in
SPARC
boxes). There seems to be an implementation bug, so
it doesn't work
perfectly
with original software, but you can write new stuff
from scratch that
works
well (there was some sense that was flipped between a
DF-32 and the RF-08,
it's
related to that, somehow).
That was done by Charles Morris, and I now own the prototype. I am working
(intermittently) on a related design for an RF08 replacement. (If someone
can help me with the indicator panel for the RF08 replacement, I'd
appreciate it.)
The implementation bug (in Rev A) was that the "skip on no error" was
implemented as "skip on error", RF08 style.
I also have stuff that may never see implementation (like my TC08 replica),
and an EAGLE library of DEC Gxxx and Mxxx modules (both as components for
projects like the TC08 replica and as individual boards you could have
produced).
Vince
6:43 p.m.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 07:55:46PM -0700, vrs wrote:
I wrote:
Neat. I'm not sure I'd heard that.
I forget who, but someone has built a one-off
DF-32 implementation in TTL
with a Dallas battery-backed NVRAM...
That was done by Charles Morris, and I now own the prototype. I am working (intermittently) on a related design for
an RF08 replacement.
So I recall.
(If someone can help me with the indicator panel for
the RF08 replacement,
I'd appreciate it.)
Sorry... can't help with that. I have 2 DF-32s and 2 DS-32s and plenty of
docs, but not a thing related to any of the larger RF drives. I've never
even seen more than a picture of an RF08.
The implementation bug (in Rev A) was that the
"skip on no error" was
implemented as "skip on error", RF08 style.
That was it. Thanks.
I also have stuff that may never see implementation
(like my TC08 replica),
and an EAGLE library of DEC Gxxx and Mxxx modules (both as components for
projects like the TC08 replica and as individual boards you could have
produced).
Never say never... now a generic Mxxx board with, say, 4 16-pin sockets
and a double row of 32 pads might be handy - one set mapped to the sockets,
the other set mapped to the fingers - drop in the necessary chips and wire
up the pads... that would be nice to have for certain projects (like adding
an EAE or memory extension hardware). It would, in fact, resemble a paddle
card for a 40-pin cable like we've been talking about, but with 4 sockets
above where the cable connector would go (and an extra row of vias not
attached to the fingers).
Between PDP-8/Ls, a PDP-8/i, an RK11C, and a few odds and ends, I'm not
exactly hurting for M-series cards, but there are a few that I don't have
abundant spares of - I do at least have a pile of boards that have verified
bad chips (mostly 7474s and 7440s). Still, I wouldn't mind being able to
whip out a module for which I _don't_ have a sample of. I only have two
blank proto modules.
-ethan
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Ethan.Dicks(a)amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html
7:29 p.m.
> I also have stuff that may never see
implementation (like my TC08
replica),
> and an EAGLE library of DEC Gxxx and Mxxx modules
(both as components
for
projects like
the TC08 replica and as individual boards you could have
produced).
Never say never... now a generic Mxxx board with, say, 4 16-pin sockets
and a double row of 32 pads might be handy - one set mapped to the
sockets,
the other set mapped to the fingers - drop in the
necessary chips and wire
up the pads... that would be nice to have for certain projects (like
adding
an EAE or memory extension hardware). It would, in
fact, resemble a
paddle
card for a 40-pin cable like we've been talking
about, but with 4 sockets
above where the cable connector would go (and an extra row of vias not
attached to the fingers).
That is easy, and not a bad idea.
Between PDP-8/Ls, a PDP-8/i, an RK11C, and a few odds
and ends, I'm not
exactly hurting for M-series cards, but there are a few that I don't have
abundant spares of - I do at least have a pile of boards that have
verified
bad chips (mostly 7474s and 7440s). Still, I
wouldn't mind being able to
whip out a module for which I _don't_ have a sample of. I only have two
blank proto modules.
I currently have drawings (schematic and board) for the G821, G879, G888,
H807, M101, M103, M111, M113, M115, M117, M119, M121, M161, M206, M207,
M228, M302, M307, M401, M502, M602, M623, M627, M633, M903, M916, W005,
W023, and W032. These, and the TC08, are "replicas", by which I mean that
they follow the DEC schematics, layout, etc. There are few other Mxxx/Wxxx
paddle cards, and of course the M452x and W076x as well, that aren't
replicas of DEC parts (which I call "replacements" instead).
I think it would be useful to have a pointer page similar to what Sellam is
proposing, but that included this kind of stuff. Although it isn't stuff
you can buy (yet, or maybe ever), it is still useful to prevent duplication
of effort and provide resources for people interested in doing this kind of
work.
(I could do that myself, but I don't find maintaining websites to be fun
:-).)
Vince
6:28 p.m.
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 05:41:19PM -0700, Vintage
Computer Festival wrote:
Links please. Just mere mention of its existence does my resource
"directory" no good ;(
I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being
developed today.
For example:
- IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits,
Got one of those (HDD-64 IDE interface for the C-64). I use mine
with a 20MB HP Kittyhawk drive (1.3"). Would the 2003-pressing of the Dragon's Lair
LaserDisc count? I built my
own Dragon's Lair/Space Ace LED scoreboard from scratch, but I know some
people who bought a hobby-commercial one. That certainly should count.
That gets more into arcade games, which is a whole other arena that I'd
rather leave to other enthusiasts.
There's a lot of neo-retro accessories in the
video game crowd,
especially with DL and SA (complete cabinets, LaserDisc hardware
adapters to use modern LD players with original board sets, etc.)
There certainly is.
I forget who, but someone has built a one-off DF-32
implementation in
TTL with a Dallas battery-backed NVRAM (like a large version of the
NVRAM found in SPARC boxes). There seems to be an implementation bug, so
it doesn't work perfectly with original software, but you can write new
stuff from scratch that works well (there was some sense that was
flipped between a DF-32 and the RF-08, it's related to that, somehow).
I'm more interested in devices that are intended to be either sold or the
plans made available for multiple unit production.
There's a new TTL-based 1802 implementation (with
toggles and TIL-311s),
with two expansions so far, a keypad and a RS-232 level
shifter/RAM/NVRAM board.
Again, links, please.
I've also seen a project to hang a 3c509 off of a
VIC-20.
Links?
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17 Jun
17 Jun
11:17 a.m.
At 08:28 PM 6/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Jim Kearney has a similar new implementation of the Mark-8 computer
posted on the web somewhere. I lost of my links so I don't have the URL to
it any more.
Joe
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 05:41:19PM -0700, Vintage
Computer Festival wrote:
Links please. Just mere mention of its existence does my resource
"directory" no good ;(
I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being
developed today.
For example:
- IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits,
Got one of those (HDD-64 IDE interface for the C-64). I use mine
with a 20MB HP Kittyhawk drive (1.3"). Would the 2003-pressing of the Dragon's Lair
LaserDisc count? I built my
own Dragon's Lair/Space Ace LED scoreboard from scratch, but I know some
people who bought a hobby-commercial one. That certainly should count.
That gets more into arcade games, which is a whole other arena that I'd
rather leave to other enthusiasts.
There's a lot of neo-retro accessories in the
video game crowd,
especially with DL and SA (complete cabinets, LaserDisc hardware
adapters to use modern LD players with original board sets, etc.)
There certainly is.
I forget who, but someone has built a one-off
DF-32 implementation in
TTL with a Dallas battery-backed NVRAM (like a large version of the
NVRAM found in SPARC boxes). There seems to be an implementation bug, so
it doesn't work perfectly with original software, but you can write new
stuff from scratch that works well (there was some sense that was
flipped between a DF-32 and the RF-08, it's related to that, somehow).
I'm more interested in devices that are intended to be either sold or the
plans made available for multiple unit production.
> There's a new TTL-based 1802 implementation (with toggles and TIL-311s),
> with two expansions so far, a keypad and a RS-232 level
> shifter/RAM/NVRAM board. 
18 Jun
18 Jun
3:50 a.m.
And thusly Joe R. spake:
At 08:28 PM 6/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 05:41:19PM -0700, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
>> >
>> > I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware
being
>> > developed today.
>> >
>> > For example:
>> >
>> > - IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits,
>>
>> Got one of those (HDD-64 IDE interface for the C-64). I use mine
>> with a 20MB HP Kittyhawk drive (1.3").
>
>Links please. Just mere mention of its existence does my resource
>"directory" no good ;(
>
http://www.ide64.org
Also
http://wings.webhop.org
is the website for Wings, an OS for a C64 equipped with a SuperCPU. It is
also the place to buy IDE64s, etc in North America.
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
11:53 a.m.
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From: "Ethan Dicks" <dickset(a)amanda.spole.gov>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: Compiling a list of "neo-retro" hardware
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 05:41:19PM -0700, Vintage
Computer Festival wrote:
>
> I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware
being
> developed today.
How about a divorce listing of all the stuff being chucked out ! :^)
Geoff.
17 Jun
17 Jun
11:32 a.m.
Bob Shannon and a couple of others are writing a new OS for the HP 1000s
called HPIPL/OS. There's a website for it somewhere.
Joe
At 05:41 PM 6/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being
developed today.
For example:
- IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits,
- IDE HD interfaces for minis like Bob Shannon's for the HP1000, etc.
- Vince's M452X and W076X PDP-8 replacement boards
- Vince Briel's Replica-1
- Catweasel (I count this as "neo-retro" because it's useful to us)
- Bob Armstrong's SBC6120
- etc.
So basically, I'd like to know about any new hardware (and I guess
software) being developed and/or sold for vintage computers. I'm going to
compile a directory for this stuff and I also have other plans that may or
may not come to fruition.
I imagine you can post them to the list since it might be useful for other
folks to know about these projects, but please copy me directly
<sellam(a)vintage.org>rg>.
Thanks!
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Festival
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18 Jun
6:25 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
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Subject: Compiling a list of "neo-retro" hardware
http://garberstreet.netfirms.com/RAM-4-GS.html
New production run of Apple IIgs 4mb memory boards.
I'd like to create a resource listing of all the neo-retro hardware being
developed today.
For example:
- IDE or CF interfaces for the Apple ][ and other 8-bits,
- IDE HD interfaces for minis like Bob Shannon's for the HP1000, etc.
- Vince's M452X and W076X PDP-8 replacement boards
- Vince Briel's Replica-1
- Catweasel (I count this as "neo-retro" because it's useful to us)
- Bob Armstrong's SBC6120
- etc.
So basically, I'd like to know about any new hardware (and I guess
software) being developed and/or sold for vintage computers. I'm going to
compile a directory for this stuff and I also have other plans that may or
may not come to fruition.
I imagine you can post them to the list since it might be useful for other
folks to know about these projects, but please copy me directly
<sellam(a)vintage.org>rg>.
Thanks!
--
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Festival
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