19 Feb
2019
19 Feb
'19
10:58 a.m.
Old tech, but not computers:
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
- John
19 Feb
19 Feb
10:59 a.m.
Old tech, but not computers:
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging
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Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at
this time. For any issues, contact hostmaster at madison.com or call 800-362-8333.
:-(
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
- John
12:18 p.m.
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
So basically, they're blocking EU users from a website due to a law that
has no effect in the US? Amazing.
g.
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2:42 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On 02/19/2019 10:18 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
So basically, they're blocking EU users from a
website due to a law that
has no effect in the US?? Amazing.
I thought I had heard from a number of people that GDPR could still bite
people in other countries. I don't remember the how, just that it could
be done.
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3:17 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 02/19/2019 10:18 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
I'd be very interested in how that would be possible.
g.
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So basically, they're blocking EU users from
a website due to a law that
has no effect in the US?? Amazing.
I thought I had heard from a number of people that GDPR could still bite
people in other countries. I don't remember the how, just that it could be
done.
6:26 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On 02/19/2019 01:17 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
I'd be very interested in how that would be
possible.
I don't know.
But I do know that there are a lot of companies here in the US that are
filtering their website like this.
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20 Feb
20 Feb
9:39 a.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 02/19/2019 01:17 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
They may have a physical presence in the EU, which would cause the GDPR to
apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the
EU, I don't see how the law could apply.
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
I'd be very interested in how that would be
possible.
I don't know.
But I do know that there are a lot of companies here in the US that are
filtering their website like this.
10:53 a.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote:
They may have a physical presence in the EU, which
would cause the GDPR
to apply to them.? However, for companies with no physical presense in
the EU, I don't see how the law could apply.
I agree with your logic.
However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding.
I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in
the EU that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites
specifically because of GDPR.
I don't have details on /how/ GDPR applies or /why/ people in the US are
running scared of it. But I've seen many references to people doing
exactly that.
--
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11:04 a.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote:
There is ample precedent for small companies staying away from stuff because of fear of
regulations or other legal hassles (like certain software licenses). Those fears
aren't necessarily based on solid foundations. But when the possible downside is
major legal hassles and bad publicity, and even investigating the potential threat is
expensive (paying specialized lawyers in various countries) it makes sense simply to stay
away and incur no risk.
paul
They may have a physical presence in the EU,
which would cause the GDPR to apply to them. However, for companies with no physical
presense in the EU, I don't see how the law could apply.
I agree with your logic.
However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding.
I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in the EU
that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites specifically because of GDPR.
11:15 a.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote:
Based on what I've read, the only possible way the GDPR could apply to a
US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or
marketing directly to EU citizens. For the sites and "services" I
provide, the EU is invited to see Figure One. ;)
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
They may have a physical presence in the EU,
which would cause the GDPR to
apply to them.? However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU,
I don't see how the law could apply.
I agree with your logic.
However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding.
I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in the EU
that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites specifically
because of GDPR.
I don't have details on /how/ GDPR applies or /why/ people in the US are
running scared of it. But I've seen many references to people doing exactly
that. 
11:51 a.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
I found this link from forbes on this issue. Apologies in advance as this site has lots of
ads on it, but it is forbes.com
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2017/12/04/yes-the-gdpr-will…
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:15 AM
To: Grant Taylor; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 2/20/19 7:39 AM, geneb wrote:
Based on what I've read, the only possible way the GDPR could apply to a
US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or
marketing directly to EU citizens. For the sites and "services" I
provide, the EU is invited to see Figure One. ;)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
They may have a physical presence in the EU,
which would cause the GDPR to
apply to them. However, for companies with no physical presense in the EU,
I don't see how the law could apply.
I agree with your logic.
However your valid logic is contrary to my understanding.
I've seen reference to too many entities that don't have a presence in the EU
that are doing things like blocking EU access to websites specifically
because of GDPR.
I don't have details on /how/ GDPR applies or /why/ people in the US are
running scared of it. But I've seen many references to people doing exactly
that. 
12:33 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 17:16, geneb via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Based on what I've read, the only possible way the
GDPR could apply to a
US company (with no EU physical presence) is if you're selling or
marketing directly to EU citizens.
This could be but it's quite a widespread problem.
E.g.
If I go to:
https://www.nydailynews.com/
or
I get:
https://www.tribpub.com/gdpr/nydailynews.com/
?
Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European
countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at
options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU
market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that
will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.
?
See:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/25/tronc_chicago_tribune_la_times_gdp…
TBH mostly I neither know nor care. Occasionally I click a link and
get a blanket "sorry, no" message.
Also applies to lots of Youtube videos: I just get a "video
unavailable" message.
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12:33 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
That was meant to say...
Or:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/
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1:18 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
If a company (or its owners if not shielded from liability) has any assets
in the EU they can be seized (up to 4% of the company's total value) for
violating GDPR. Apparently, Lee Enterprises has assets in Europe, and
doesn't want to spend the non-trivial time, effort and expense (or lost
revenue) to achieve compliance.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:42 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 02/19/2019 10:18 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
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So basically, they're blocking EU users from
a website due to a law that
has no effect in the US? Amazing.
I thought I had heard from a number of people that GDPR could still bite
people in other countries. I don't remember the how, just that it could
be done.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
1:26 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
So...how 'bout them phones? (hint, hint)
Does anyone know if they have any CO stuff?
(only a tiny, tiny fraction of telephone collectors care, even a tiny
bit, about CO stuff)
--
Will
19 Feb
19 Feb
12:20 p.m.
New subject: OT: Phone museum seeks new owner
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:03 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Definitely something funky with the website. I ended up doing a quick select-all,
copy to get the story before the page regenerated to 'lost
connection' status.
I bought some equipment from PhoneCo in person back in the 90s when antique
phones were still holding their value and even then the experience was, to
put it politely, a real mess. Crumbling buildings, piles upon piles of
dusty, busted up surplus phones. Truckloads of equipment sitting out in the
elements. Finding a buyer today will be a challenge, to say the least. -C
Old tech, but not computers:
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
4:11 p.m.
> Old tech, but not computers:
>
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
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We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the
wrong hands!
4:14 p.m.
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
This message brought to you by the Totalitarian Touch Tone Terrorists(tm).
g.
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> Old tech,
but not computers:
>
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country
We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the wrong
hands! 
19 Feb
19 Feb
7:31 p.m.
At 01:11 PM 19/02/2019 -0800, you wrote:
Amusing, but that isn't anything close to what it's about.
> Old tech,
but not computers:
>
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country
We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the
wrong hands! 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging
to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General
Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at
this time. For any issues, contact hostmaster at madison.com or call 800-362-8333.
The EU's GDPR is supposed to be about 'protecting personal data privacy', but
seems
more like another Globalist attempt to cripple the Internet by imposing unreasonable
and near-impossible to comply with regulations.
Guy
7:40 p.m.
On Feb 19, 2019, at 7:31 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
At 01:11 PM 19/02/2019 -0800, you wrote:
Amusing, but that isn't anything close to what it's about.
This and many other examples of Internet censorship can be avoided by using TOR -- which
is a nice browser for any number of other reasons too.
paul
> Old
tech, but not computers:
>
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country
We must prevent advanced rotary dial technology from falling into the
wrong hands! 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging
to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General
Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at
this time. For any issues, contact hostmaster at madison.com or call 800-362-8333.
The EU's GDPR is supposed to be about 'protecting personal data privacy', but
seems
more like another Globalist attempt to cripple the Internet by imposing unreasonable
and near-impossible to comply with regulations.
Guy 
3:07 p.m.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:58:00AM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
Old tech, but not computers:
https://madison.com/business/galesville-antique-phone-dealers-looking-to-of…
Interesting, but what does it have to do with Kemners Surplus?
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3:57 p.m.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:58:00AM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
Old tech, but not computers:
I have a fondness for old rotary dial phones, especially ones like they used
in movies and TV shows set in the '40s and '50s. I've never managed to
acquire one. I'd love to have a few of them, but not that many. :-)
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