21 Mar
2007
21 Mar
'07
11:58 p.m.
It seems all of my removable media devices are broken (TK50 and
RX50). That leaves me wondering if I can boot a MicroVAX II or a
KDJ11-A off of a CD-ROM. I have a SCSI controller that should work
with either machine and I have a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Can either of
these machines boot from a SCSI CD-ROM?
Thanks,
David
22 Mar
22 Mar
12:25 a.m.
What's the controller? My UC07 can and does boot RSTS/E from a CDROM.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of David Betz
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:59 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Can the MicroVAX II or KDJ11-A boot off of a SCSI CD-ROM?
It seems all of my removable media devices are broken (TK50 and RX50). That
leaves me wondering if I can boot a MicroVAX II or a KDJ11-A off of a
CD-ROM. I have a SCSI controller that should work with either machine and I
have a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Can either of these machines boot from a SCSI
CD-ROM?
Thanks,
David
12:38 p.m.
At 11:25 PM -0500 3/21/07, Julian Wolfe wrote:
What's the controller? My UC07 can and does boot
RSTS/E from a CDROM.
Does it come all the way up, and can you install RSTS/E from it?
Zane
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8:07 p.m.
It comes up as well as a read-only disk can. I did manage to make
installable CDs for each of the layered products though.
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:38 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: Can the MicroVAX II or KDJ11-A boot off of a SCSI CD-ROM?
At 11:25 PM -0500 3/21/07, Julian Wolfe wrote:
What's the controller? My UC07 can and does
boot RSTS/E from a CDROM.
Does it come all the way up, and can you install RSTS/E from it?
Zane
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8:21 p.m.
"Julian Wolfe" wrote:
What's the controller? My UC07 can and does boot
RSTS/E from a CDROM.
get out. can you provide an iso image?
(i've clearly been hanging around my 11 yo daughter too much when I use
phrases like, "get out" :-)
Still, I'd like to try - will it boot on an 11/23+? (kdf11-b I think)
-brad
23 Mar
23 Mar
12:25 a.m.
What's the
controller? My UC07 can and does boot RSTS/E from a CDROM.
get out. can you provide an iso image?
(i've clearly been hanging around my 11 yo daughter too much when I use
phrases like, "get out" :-) 
22 Mar
22 Mar
2:16 a.m.
On 3/21/07, David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com> wrote:
It seems all of my removable media devices are broken
(TK50 and
RX50). That leaves me wondering if I can boot a MicroVAX II or a
KDJ11-A off of a CD-ROM. I have a SCSI controller that should work
with either machine and I have a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Can either of
these machines boot from a SCSI CD-ROM?
As Zane also replied, it depends on the SCSI controller and the CD-ROM
drive. A combination that worked for me is a Dilog SQ706A Q-bus SCSI
controller and a Plextor SCSI CD-ROM jumpered to 512-byte block mode.
It would not boot correctly without setting the CD-ROM to 512-byte
block mode.
With this combination I was able to boot a KDJ11-A from an XXDP disk
image that I burned onto a CD-ROM, and also boot a KA650 from the VMS
7.3 distribution disk on CD-ROM.
-Glen
9:08 a.m.
On 3/21/07, David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com>
wrote:
Okay, here' s a dumb question. What do I type at the ">>>" prompt
to
boot from the SCSI controller. This is a TD Systems Viking
controller. I tried just "boot" but that seems to attempt to and fail
to boot from the ESDI hard drive. I have the MVII technical manual
and looked up the boot command but all it says is "boot <device>" but
doesn't say what the choices are for "device". What would I enter as
a device name to skip over the ESDI drive and boot from the CD-ROM
attached to the Viking controller? Also, the CD-ROM drive is set for
unit 4 if that makes a difference.
Thanks,
David
It seems all of my removable media devices are
broken (TK50 and
RX50). That leaves me wondering if I can boot a MicroVAX II or a
KDJ11-A off of a CD-ROM. I have a SCSI controller that should work
with either machine and I have a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Can either of
these machines boot from a SCSI CD-ROM?
As Zane also replied, it depends on the SCSI controller and the CD-ROM
drive. A combination that worked for me is a Dilog SQ706A Q-bus SCSI
controller and a Plextor SCSI CD-ROM jumpered to 512-byte block mode.
It would not boot correctly without setting the CD-ROM to 512-byte
block mode.
With this combination I was able to boot a KDJ11-A from an XXDP disk
image that I burned onto a CD-ROM, and also boot a KA650 from the VMS
7.3 distribution disk on CD-ROM.
11:41 a.m.
On 3/22/07, David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com> wrote:
Okay, here' s a dumb question. What do I type at
the ">>>" prompt to
boot from the SCSI controller. This is a TD Systems Viking
controller. I tried just "boot" but that seems to attempt to and fail
to boot from the ESDI hard drive. I have the MVII technical manual
and looked up the boot command but all it says is "boot <device>" but
doesn't say what the choices are for "device". What would I enter as
a device name to skip over the ESDI drive and boot from the CD-ROM
attached to the Viking controller? Also, the CD-ROM drive is set for
unit 4 if that makes a difference.
Try this, where x is a number.
>>b dubx
MSCP controllers are du, each controller is assinged a letter starting
with 'a', and each devices on the controller is assigned a unit
number. On a PDP-11 MSCP controllers are supposed to have unique
device numbers across all controllers but not necessarily so on a MVII
so you could have both dua0 and dub0.
The SCSI ID of the CD-ROM does may not directly map to a unit number,
i.e SCSI ID of 4 probably does not mean MSCP unit number 4. On the
Dilog SQ706A you have to configure the SCSI ID -> MSCP unit number
mapping using the on board firmware utility. Maybe there is a similar
utility somewhere in the Viking controller firmware.
I'm pretty new to this also. I believe ">>>show device" would
display
all of the controllers and attached devices found.
-Glen
12:48 p.m.
At 9:08 AM -0400 3/22/07, David Betz wrote:
Okay, here' s a dumb question. What do I type at
the ">>>" prompt to
boot from the SCSI controller. This is a TD Systems Viking
controller. I tried just "boot" but that seems to attempt to and
fail to boot from the ESDI hard drive. I have the MVII technical
manual and looked up the boot command but all it says is "boot
<device>" but doesn't say what the choices are for "device". What
would I enter as a device name to skip over the ESDI drive and boot
from the CD-ROM attached to the Viking controller? Also, the CD-ROM
drive is set for unit 4 if that makes a difference.
Thanks,
David
IIRC, it should be DUx: It's been a while since I booted my PDP-11,
and I've never put one in a MicroVAX. Here is the manual.
ftp://ftp.avanthar.com/dan/viking_scsi/
The important question is what version are your ROMs. I did a bunch
of work with these boards a few years ago, and as near as I was able
to determine it you need a fairly new version of firmware to use a
CD. I believe that you need higher than V3.4 firmware. I've used
DEC RRD-42, Plextor 6x & 8x caddy drives with the Viking QDT. As
I've mentioned before the use of caddy drives is in part a personal
choice as the caddy's are handy since there aren't that many PDP-11
CD's. I did try a 4x tray drive that worked in my DEC Alpha's, and
it wouldn't work.
Zane
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8:52 p.m.
Okay,
here' s a dumb question. What do I type at the ">>>" prompt
to boot from the SCSI controller. This is a TD Systems Viking
controller. I tried just "boot" but that seems to attempt to and
fail to boot from the ESDI hard drive. I have the MVII technical
manual and looked up the boot command but all it says is "boot
<device>" but doesn't say what the choices are for "device".
What
would I enter as a device name to skip over the ESDI drive and
boot from the CD-ROM attached to the Viking controller? Also, the
CD-ROM drive is set for unit 4 if that makes a difference.
Thanks,
David
IIRC, it should be DUx: It's been a while since I booted my
PDP-11, and I've never put one in a MicroVAX. Here is the manual.
ftp://ftp.avanthar.com/dan/viking_scsi/
The important question is what version are your ROMs. I did a
bunch of work with these boards a few years ago, and as near as I
was able to determine it you need a fairly new version of firmware
to use a CD. I believe that you need higher than V3.4 firmware.
I've used DEC RRD-42, Plextor 6x & 8x caddy drives with the Viking
QDT. As I've mentioned before the use of caddy drives is in part a
personal choice as the caddy's are handy since there aren't that
many PDP-11 CD's. I did try a 4x tray drive that worked in my DEC
Alpha's, and it wouldn't work. 
1:30 p.m.
On Thursday 22 March 2007 09:08, David Betz wrote:
It all depends on how the controller is configured. In order to
configure the controller, you'll need to make up a cable with a 50-pin
connector on one end, and a serial connector on the other end, to talk
to the device. There's more details in the manual -
ftp://ftp.avanthar.com/dan/viking_scsi
Pat
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On 3/21/07,
David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com> wrote:
Okay, here' s a dumb question. What do I type at the ">>>" prompt
to
boot from the SCSI controller. This is a TD Systems Viking
controller. I tried just "boot" but that seems to attempt to and fail
to boot from the ESDI hard drive. I have the MVII technical manual
and looked up the boot command but all it says is "boot <device>" but
doesn't say what the choices are for "device". What would I enter as
a device name to skip over the ESDI drive and boot from the CD-ROM
attached to the Viking controller? Also, the CD-ROM drive is set for
unit 4 if that makes a difference. It seems all of my removable media devices are
broken (TK50 and
RX50). That leaves me wondering if I can boot a MicroVAX II or a
KDJ11-A off of a CD-ROM. I have a SCSI controller that should work
with either machine and I have a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Can either of
these machines boot from a SCSI CD-ROM?
As Zane also replied, it depends on the SCSI controller and the
CD-ROM drive. A combination that worked for me is a Dilog SQ706A
Q-bus SCSI controller and a Plextor SCSI CD-ROM jumpered to
512-byte block mode. It would not boot correctly without setting
the CD-ROM to 512-byte block mode.
With this combination I was able to boot a KDJ11-A from an XXDP
disk image that I burned onto a CD-ROM, and also boot a KA650 from
the VMS 7.3 distribution disk on CD-ROM.
8:48 p.m.
It all depends on how the controller is configured.
In order to
configure the controller, you'll need to make up a cable with a 50-pin
connector on one end, and a serial connector on the other end, to talk
to the device. There's more details in the manual -
ftp://ftp.avanthar.com/dan/viking_scsi
This looks like exactly what I'm looking for but unfortunately I
don't seem to be able to get the files from that FTP site. At first I
got a directory of what was there but when I tried to copy files I
got errors. Now I can't even connect. Is there a trick to getting
these files?
Thanks,
David
23 Mar
23 Mar
1:02 p.m.
On Thursday 22 March 2007 20:48, David Betz wrote:
My guess would be that you need to use passive ftp, but aren't with
whatever you're using to connect. The site works just fine for me.
Since they're fairly small, I've mirrored the files here:
http://computer-refuge.org/classiccmp/viking_scsi/
Pat
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The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
It all depends
on how the controller is configured. In order to
configure the controller, you'll need to make up a cable with a
50-pin connector on one end, and a serial connector on the other
end, to talk to the device. There's more details in the manual -
ftp://ftp.avanthar.com/dan/viking_scsi
This looks like exactly what I'm looking for but unfortunately I
don't seem to be able to get the files from that FTP site. At first I
got a directory of what was there but when I tried to copy files I
got errors. Now I can't even connect. Is there a trick to getting
these files?
1:21 p.m.
Since they're fairly small, I've mirrored the
files here:
http://computer-refuge.org/classiccmp/viking_scsi/
Thanks, Pat!
22 Mar
22 Mar
2:24 a.m.
At 11:58 PM -0400 3/21/07, David Betz wrote:
It seems all of my removable media devices are broken
(TK50 and
RX50). That leaves me wondering if I can boot a MicroVAX II or a
KDJ11-A off of a CD-ROM. I have a SCSI controller that should work
with either machine and I have a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Can either of
these machines boot from a SCSI CD-ROM?
Thanks,
David
Short answer, yes.
Long answer, it depends on if the SCSI controller will support a
CD-ROM. I'd recommend trying a Plextor SCSI CD-ROM drive set to
512-byte blocks, or a DEC CD-ROM drive.
Zane
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| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
5:34 p.m.
David Betz wrote:
It seems all of my removable media devices are broken
(TK50 and RX50).
That leaves me wondering if I can boot a MicroVAX II or a KDJ11-A off of
a CD-ROM. I have a SCSI controller that should work with either machine
and I have a SCSI CD-ROM drive. Can either of these machines boot from a
SCSI CD-ROM?
They should be able to, if the SCSI controller supports MSCP.
Peace... Sridhar
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