While having a conversation with an old IBM buddy of mine we fondly remembered our days with the IBM 7030 (Stretch) computer. It was used to prototype the 360 before it came out. It was a real monster with only 8 ever built (and sold). Does anybody else remember this monster?

At 10:34 AM 10/27/00 -0400, you wrote: The 7010 was a much, much smaller computer. A relative of the 1410 and a commercial machine. The 7030 was the largest of machines at the time and took up a full room that must (from memory) been 2000 square feet. We used a 1401 to create input tapes and print output tapes for it. The largest IBM machine that was sold in quantity at the time was the 7094-II. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gene(a)ehrich.com gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com P.O. Box 3365 Spring Hill Florida 34611-3365 http://www.voicenet.com/~generic Computer & Video Game Garage Sale

While a student at Oregon State University (way back around early to mid 70s) we managed to obtain one of the beasts (well most of it anyway.) At the time we were running a CDC 3300 (memory starved) and the hardware group didn't want to pay CDC the 1e6 bucks necessary to fully populate the memory of the 3300. The HW manager (an efficient scrounger if there ever was) found this 7030 (unfortunately I don't recall where it came from - rumor was LANL but I'm not sure.) He concluded that we could hang the 6 memory boxes (36 x 32k or 72 x 16k depending on "interface") onto the 3300. Well that didn't pan out - but a group I was involved in *did* benefit from this choice. We were running a small, home brew computer (Nebula) which at the time used glass delay lines as memory (slow) and only had 4k x 35 bits of memory. We grabbed one of the memories and built a controller and connected it to the Nebula. Worked great and boosted the speed of the machine all the way to a whopping 33 usec per word time (it *was* 100 usec word time!) The memory interface was actually rather nice - totally asynchronous if I recall, so the interface was mostly an issue of converting the parallel stretch memory (with negative logic levels) to the serial bus (did I mention that Nebula was a serial computer?) with TTL/DTL levels. Basically a giant shift register. DMA was a little bit hairier, but it all fit in a single 19 inch rack card frame with about 20 44-pin "vector" cards. Mostly TTL with some special negative-bus level converters on a few cards. I still have a copy of the paper the designer wrote as a class project. We were able to accomplish this partly because we had another computer with a HUGE motor generator and the stretch memory needs a bunch of supplies which we borrowed from this other machine. A power sequencer was built that brought up the major bus voltages of the stretch memory *slowly* (motor driven variac with a relay logic controller.) We built the relay logic from (appropriately enough) IBM relays we glommed from an old accounting machine card reader (sorry for the reckless disregard for antique equipment, but it was the 70s...) Fortunately, IBM was quite helpful with hardware docs for the machine. What didn't come with the "donation" of the hardware was obtained from IBM directly. We had it all (about 200 pounds of prints if I recall.) I just wish it had been salvaged when the lab was torn down. I heard about the discard to late. OSU had a (bad) habit of discarding ALL paper when a piece of equipment was sold at surplus. I've had countless discussions with the surplus management at the time about this and today they are a little bit better in this regard. The stretch was a fantastic piece of hardware for it's time. We learned a lot about computers architecture tearing apart the memory design. Pity I don't have pictures. It was a glorious mess of home-brew stuff. -Gary At 09:10 10/27/00 -0400, you wrote:

Eric Smith wrote last Friday, October 27, 2000 2:24 PM Well, 40 or so years have pased so there's no harm in another week, right? I looked at my book last night and it is indeed an overview of the 7030 by IBM. It is available for copying by the museum. Author was Buchholz and title was "Design for a Computer System" I Think. I probably should browse this list John A.

Eric Smith wrote: Another VERY interesting book is "The Origins of Digital Computers", a collection of papers edited by Brian Randell. Authors include Babbage, Hollerith, Zuse, Aiken, and others. A quick search on ABE showed two copies available at $40 and $150. Hmmm, anyone know what it might be worth so I can put a copy on Ebay (just a slight poke at those disturbed by Michaels EC-1 post :))?