27 Oct
2005
27 Oct
'05
6:31 p.m.
"'Computer Collector Newsletter'" <news at computercollector.com>
wrote:
I decided to automatically router all mail from MS
(ironic initials!)
[...] Here are four examples from his web site at http://ivan.harhan.org/
[...]
So Michael Sokolov (MS) is living is California?
I somehow pictured him in an abandoned ICBM silo near Moscow, surrounded
by Soviet era VAX clones :-)
**vp
27 Oct
27 Oct
7:02 p.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
Vassilis Prevelakis wrote:
So Michael Sokolov (MS) is living is California?
I somehow pictured him in an abandoned ICBM silo near Moscow, surrounded
by Soviet era VAX clones :-)
Don't give him more ideas. Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they
cloned 11's
but what about other computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth
cloning?
**
7:36 p.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
--- woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
Did the Soviets clone the
Vax? I know they
cloned 11's
but what about other computers? Was DEC the only
computer brand worth
cloning?
The East Germans firm Robotron definitely cloned the
VAX, as well as the IBM 360. I've seen a Robotron VAX
clone at the CHM. The 360 clone was interesting in
that they even copied the cabinet design, unlike the
VAX clone that I saw.
At some point, Soviet central planning settled on a
"unified system" of computers that were basically
copied western designs. I suppose it simplified the
problem of software to some degree, but it stifled
formerly robust homegrown development efforts. Perhaps
one of the Russion list members might have more to say
about this and Soviet-era computing in general.
--Bill
8:31 p.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, woodelf wrote:
Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they
cloned 11's
but what about other computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth
cloning?
I've seen disks from Russia with ASCII text in the system tracks referring
to Oki if800 (pictured on the Japanese site!) I have no idea whether it
was an if800, or something else using the MS Stand-alone BASIC of the
if800.
OB_OT: And last week, I spent a few minutes with a cyrillic version of
Windoze 98
9:03 p.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, woodelf wrote:
Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they
cloned 11's
but what about other computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth
cloning?
I know they definitely cloned IBM System/360 mainframes. The Bulgarians
apparently were good at cloning peripherals. And the Soviets certainly
cloned the IBM PC. Of course, they had their own architectures, too.
Some years ago, I think there was an article in IEEE CS Annals of Computing
about the Soviet computer scene.
Cheers,
Chuck
28 Oct
28 Oct
8:47 a.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
----- Oprindelig meddelelse -----
Fra: Chuck Guzis
Til: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Sendt: 28. oktober 2005 06:03
Emne: Re: cloned stuff
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, woodelf wrote:
> Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they
> cloned 11's
> but what about other computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth
> cloning?
Some years ago, I think there was an article in IEEE
CS Annals of Computing
about the Soviet computer scene.
The one I retypes, was from Datamation
Nico
7:10 a.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
> Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they cloned
11's but what
> about other computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth
> cloning?
I have a copy of a flyer from STIMTI of Vilnius (Lithuania -- then
part of the Soviet empire). It starts in 1958. I can't read enough
Lithuanian (or Russian, the other language in the document) to figure
out the details, but it looks like they did some punch card processing
equipment early on. If that's a clone of something it would
presumably be IBM stuff. Later on they did DEC clones too, I believe
-- the document describes a 32 bit machine called the SM-1700.
paul
4:21 a.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
Vassilis Prevelakis wrote:
Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they cloned 11's but what about other
computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth cloning?
They also pirated the IBM/ 360 series (amongst others). I have a lengthy article on the
subject. If you want it, I can mail it to you off-list
Nico
4:28 a.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
Nico de Jong wrote:
I don't know about Vassilis, but *I'd* like to see it.
Peace... Sridhar
Vassilis
Prevelakis wrote:
Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they cloned 11's but what about other
computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth cloning?
They also pirated the IBM/ 360 series (amongst others). I have a lengthy article on the
subject. If you want it, I can mail it to you off-list
Nico
5:25 a.m.
New subject: [ZS2] Re: cloned stuff
----- Oprindelig meddelelse -----
Fra: Sridhar Ayengar
They also pirated the IBM/ 360 series (amongst others). I have a lengthy article on the
subject. If you want it, I can mail it to you off-list
Nico
I don't know about Vassilis, but *I'd* like to see it.
Peace... Sridhar
I only have the document in Word, which you can't read, according to a mail in sept
2003
I sent it to Fred van Kempen, who promised to convert it to PDF and put it on his home
page.
However, I cant get through to www.pdp11.nl. Anyone else able to convert it to PDF ?
Nico
6:03 a.m.
New subject: [ZS2] Re: cloned stuff
Nico de Jong wrote:
----- Oprindelig meddelelse -----
Fra: Sridhar Ayengar
I can read Word now. I have it at work.
Peace... Sridhar
They also pirated the IBM/ 360 series (amongst others). I have a lengthy article on the
subject. If you want it, I can mail it to you off-list
Nico
I don't know about Vassilis, but *I'd* like to see it.
Peace... Sridhar
I only have the document in Word, which you can't read, according to a mail in sept
2003
I sent it to Fred van Kempen, who promised to convert it to PDF and put it on his home
page.
However, I cant get through to www.pdp11.nl. Anyone else able to convert it to PDF ?
6:17 a.m.
New subject: [ZS2] Re: cloned stuff
Nico de Jong wrote:
----- Oprindelig meddelelse -----
Fra: Sridhar Ayengar
Nico,
I can convert it to PDF and put it onto a web page for others to download.
Let me know if you want my help.
Dave
They also pirated the IBM/ 360 series (amongst others). I have a lengthy article on the
subject. If you want it, I can mail it to you off-list
Nico
I don't know about Vassilis, but *I'd* like to see it.
Peace... Sridhar
I only have the document in Word, which you can't read, according to a mail in sept
2003
I sent it to Fred van Kempen, who promised to convert it to PDF and put it on his home
page.
However, I cant get through to www.pdp11.nl. Anyone else able to convert it to PDF ?
Nico
8:24 a.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
-Fra: Dave Mabry
Nico de Jong wrote:
> Anyone else able to convert it to PDF ?
>
I can convert it to PDF and put it onto a web page for
others to download.
Let me know if you want my help.
Dave
People were almost falling over their feet, offering assistance.
I'll mail it to Dave right away, so it can appear on a web page.
All the others : thanks for your help
Nico
29 Oct
29 Oct
8:19 a.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
Nico de Jong wrote:
-Fra: Dave Mabry
Nico de Jong wrote:
Nico has sent me the files referred to above, and I have converted them
to PDF. So I would like to make them available to whoever wants them here:
http://www.mich.com/~dmabry/cccp
Nico can tell you what exactly they are if you don't already know.
Dave
> Anyone else able to convert it to PDF ?
>
I can convert it to PDF and put it onto a web page
for others to download.
Let me know if you want my help.
Dave
People were almost falling over their feet, offering assistance.
I'll mail it to Dave right away, so it can appear on a web page.
All the others : thanks for your help
Nico
28 Oct
28 Oct
7:11 a.m.
New subject: cloned stuff
Rumor has it that woodelf may have mentioned these words:
Vassilis Prevelakis wrote:
Nope, they cloned the Apple ][ as well.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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So Michael Sokolov (MS) is living is California?
I somehow pictured him in an abandoned ICBM silo near Moscow, surrounded
by Soviet era VAX clones :-)
Don't give him more ideas. Did the Soviets clone the Vax? I know they
cloned 11's
but what about other computers? Was DEC the only computer brand worth cloning?
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