Rumor has it that Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) may have mentioned these words: Not only that, but IIRC the original gist of the discussion wasn't "how to read/write Apple ][ disks..." but was: "how to read/write Apple ][ disks on an IBM PC." For that, the Apple ][ really isn't the best solution. Besides, Apple ][s are really tough to find up here... my buddy rescued a //gs, tho... [[ and later wondered how much he could get for it when he was hard-up for cash... Him: How much could I get for it? Me: Maybe $20 tops... *if* you find someone interested in it. Him: What're my chances of finding that someone? Me: About the same odds of you gaining 600 pounds overnight and winning the Mr. Olympia title. (he's had a lot of gastro-intestinal surgery over the last 2 years -- he's over 6 foot tall and weights ~130lbs.) Him: You've got to be kidding! It's got a hard drive...]] Yea, he's still my friend, but as he owes me a lot of $$$, I'll prolly give him the $20 for the machine (off his tab, of course... ;-) Anywho, IMHO, YMMV, ABAF and all that jazz... Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.