19 Dec
2012
19 Dec
'12
11:08 a.m.
are they component level repairable, that is, are the individual chips readily available?
Something tells me not likely.
19 Dec
19 Dec
11:19 a.m.
Not that much. The failure is hardly at the custom chips. But when they
are gone, they are gone and hard to find replacements. I had to bin a V50
cause of one custom chip.
What are you looking for specifically?
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Subject: older Yamaha keyboards
are they component level repairable, that is, are the
individual chips
readily available? Something tells me not likely.
11:50 a.m.
From: Alexandre Souza - Listas <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
? Not that much. The failure is hardly at the custom chips. But when they are gone, they
are gone and hard to find replacements. I had to bin a V50 cause of one custom chip.
? What are you looking for specifically?
C: I don't have a clue. I met a guy at Target who was looking to buy a new one. He
thinks he fried the board on his (water damage IIRC). I said I might be interested in
buying it, but then daybreak broke out and I had to ask.
?I guess that may also put the kybosh on me ever getting my Yamaha CX5m music computer
working :(
?Water is a funny thing. I woke up 2 mornings to find my cell phone in Oogy's water
bowl (and the first time he KNEW he did something wrong, because he was staring into my
face the moment I awoke). Both times dried it out and it was fine. Got my HP49g wet the
other day, somehow, and it hasn't turned on since.
12:10 p.m.
I guess that may also put the kybosh on me ever getting
my Yamaha CX5m
music computer working :(
Opa, this is my subject :) What happened to your MSX? A common problem
is the memory manager (a custom chip) going south, and it is an easy fix.
Water is a funny thing. I woke up 2 mornings to find my
cell phone in
Oogy's water bowl (and the first time he >KNEW he did something wrong,
because he was staring into my face the moment I awoke). Both times dried
it >out and it was fine. Got my HP49g wet the other day, somehow, and it
hasn't turned on since.
HP49? You freed your mind! :D
21 Dec
21 Dec
10:52 a.m.
From: Alexandre Souza - Listas <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
I guess that may also put the kybosh on me ever
getting my Yamaha CX5m music computer working :(
? Opa, this is my subject :) What happened to your MSX? A common problem is the memory
manager (a custom chip) going south, and it is an easy fix.
C: If it's a custom ic, how is it an easy fix? In actuality, I don't know that it
doesn't work, it actually might. I should get a video cable built very soon. I'm
such a slothful mess.
Water is a funny thing. I woke up 2 mornings to find
my cell phone in Oogy's water bowl (and the first time he >KNEW he did something
wrong, because he was staring into my face the moment I awoke). Both times dried it
>out and it was fine. Got my HP49g wet the other day, somehow, and it hasn't turned
on since.
? HP49? You freed your mind! :D
C: Well it was annoying to have to wait for the stack to clear or whatever. That problem
was alleviated on the 50g (wicked fast by comparison). I sold my 50g in a mad fit of
selling rage. Thinking of buying another one, or/and the TI-nspire CX CAS. People are
saying that the 50g is superior, but the TI is so kewel.
?Anyone know if HP is ever coming out w/a color calculator???
19 Dec
19 Dec
11:40 a.m.
On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Chris Tofu wrote:
are they component level repairable, that is, are the
individual
chips readily available? Something tells me not likely.
Keyboard to what? A Yamaha C1 (80286 laptop), a Clavinova, a
traditional piano,an electronic organ, a synth, one of their low-end
teaching instrucments?
Please be more specific!
--Chuck
12:05 p.m.
From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
Keyboard to what?? A Yamaha C1 (80286 laptop), a Clavinova, a traditional piano,an
electronic organ, a synth, one of their low-end teaching instrucments?
Please be more specific!
--Chuck
C: Apparently music has a language all it's own. Alexandre knew what I was talking
about immediately and he doesn't even speak english.
1:45 p.m.
On 12/19/2012 12:05 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
C: Apparently music has a language all it's own.
Alexandre knew what
I was talking about immediately and he doesn't even speak english.
Perhaps Alexandre wasn't familiar with the wide range of Yamaha
products. I'm quite familiar with the language of music as well as some
of the vintage Yamaha gear. I'd assumed that your request wasn't
related to a piece of gear from their Marine Division.
But to me, a "keyboard" means only an input device. If it's a synth,
call it that. And then be specific. A local elementary school issues
a little 30-key synth to each student in their beginning music classes.
(Good, but I still prefer seeing Orff instruments used for that purpose).
At any rate, few know of the Yamaha C-1, a few know about the "hybrid"
PC-music gear, such as the CX5. For example, the DX7 synth is still
very popular among musicians and there's likely a community of folks who
know them inside and out.
Yamaha usually wasn't very open about publishing datasheets, however.
I've got a couple of Yamaha DSPs in 40 DIP and the best I've been able
to find is a pinout with no legend.
--Chuck
2:13 p.m.
Perhaps Alexandre wasn't familiar with the wide
range of Yamaha products.
I'm quite familiar with the language of music as well as some of the
vintage Yamaha gear. I'd assumed that your request wasn't related to a
piece of gear from their Marine Division.
Yep, I am :o) From pianos, organs, keyboards, sinthesizers, to
motorcycles, computers, marine motors and more :o)
But to me, a "keyboard" means only an input
device. If it's a synth, call
it that. And then be specific. A local elementary school issues a
little 30-key synth to each student in their beginning music classes.
(Good, but I still prefer seeing Orff instruments used for that purpose).
But I know Yamaha doesn't make input devices :o)
At any rate, few know of the Yamaha C-1, a few know
about the "hybrid"
PC-music gear, such as the CX5. For example, the DX7 synth is still very
popular among musicians and there's likely a community of folks who know
them inside and out.
I know the C1 too :o) And most of the Yamaha gear, I'm a
piano/keyboard/organ/whatever-has-keys player :oD
Yamaha usually wasn't very open about publishing
datasheets, however. I've
got a couple of Yamaha DSPs in 40 DIP and the best I've been able to find
is a pinout with no legend.
It depends. The Yamaha data sheets are excellent, but the ICs are
**very** old and most of them not used outside USA (beyond the music
keyboard chipsets). So it is not that easy to spot one. In the back times,
if you wrote to Yamaha in Japan asking for a datasheet, they would send you
everything they had about that specific IC and more. Been there, done that.
Many times. Remember I'm an old time MSX hacker :o)
Anyways, if you need something from Yamaha, drop me a mail, maybe I have
that on my lab or my server.
3:21 p.m.
> C:\DERP> Apparently music has a language all
it's own. Alexandre knew
> what I was talking about immediately and he doesn't even speak
> english.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Perhaps Alexandre wasn't familiar with the wide
range of Yamaha
products. I'm quite familiar with the language of music as well as some
of the vintage Yamaha gear. I'd assumed that your request wasn't
related to a piece of gear from their Marine Division.
nor motorcyles, etc.
But to me, a "keyboard" means only an input
device. If it's a synth,
call it that. And then be specific.
. . .
At any rate, few know of the Yamaha C-1, a few know about the "hybrid"
PC-music gear, such as the CX5. For example, the DX7 synth is still
very popular among musicians and there's likely a community of folks who
know them inside and out.
I briefly had a Yamaha MSX machine (Z80? MS-DOS-like disk format)
that I bought from Mitchell Waite. NO recollection of model number.
Its keyboard was a little flaky, and I never got around to disassembly
to check that out.
3:56 p.m.
I briefly had a Yamaha MSX machine (Z80? MS-DOS-like
disk format)
that I bought from Mitchell Waite. NO recollection of model number.
Its keyboard was a little flaky, and I never got around to disassembly
to check that out.
Probably CX-5M. You also have the CX-5MII and the CX-7M, but the worst
keyboard is on the CX-5M.
I love MSX :o)
6:08 p.m.
I briefly had
a Yamaha MSX machine (Z80? MS-DOS-like disk format)
that I bought from Mitchell Waite. NO recollection of model number.
Its keyboard was a little flaky, and I never got around to disassembly
to check that out.
Probably CX-5M. You also have the CX-5MII and the CX-7M, but the worst
keyboard is on the CX-5M.
20 Dec
20 Dec
7:52 a.m.
I have a CX5M.
I need to set it up, I was really looking for one.
What do you need?
1:20 p.m.
>> What do you need?
> Time and space :)
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
Maybe tomorrow when world ends?
It's about time!
But, the mice will be furious.
I understand that the dolphins are already negotiating at Magrathea for a
replacement. But it's likely to have the same bugs.
2 p.m.
What do
you need?
Time and space :) I understand that the dolphins are already negotiating
at Magrathea for a
replacement. But it's likely to have the same bugs.
Did you take your medications today? :o) Is everything right? ;o)
(keep ontopic) There is a photo of me playing with a CX5M and an
original Nemesis (Gradius, for you japanese speakers) cartridge somewhere,
let me see...
Me and CX5M
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320356_3371427696953…
Me playing :oD
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/376242_3371421496953…
Flash cart made with a SCC Cart and a flash memory
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/548856_3318875135541…
Expert3, a brazilian motherboard made for the Gradiente Expert (MSX1)
containing a MSX2+, FM sound, 4MB mapper memory, expanded slots, RTC, the
whole nine yards
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/545824_3027965997965…
Top view of the board (without the 2-slot daughterboard)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/530084_3034015630694…
More MSX photos on www.tabalabs.com.br :o)
2:59 p.m.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
Did you take your
medications today? :o) Is everything right? ;o)
Just some references to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
little stressed; OK, a LOT. my mother appears to be coming down with
Parkinsons.
Maybe tomorrow when world ends?
It's
about time!
But, the mice will be furious.
I understand that the dolphins are already negotiating at Magrathea for a
replacement. But it's likely to have the same bugs.
3:52 p.m.
Just some references to Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy by Douglas Adams
little stressed; OK, a LOT. my mother appears to be coming down with
Parkinsons.
Ugh. :(
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21 Dec
21 Dec
11:10 a.m.
From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
? ? Did you take your
medications today? :o) Is everything right? ;o)
Just some references to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams
little stressed; OK, a LOT.? my mother appears to be coming down with
Parkinsons.
C: I can only offer my sympathies (and prayers). Ironically my mother has something wrong
w/the nerves at least in one of her hands. Her larger problem is she's just crazy (or
Yugoslavian) or both. Seems irreverent I'm sure. I'm just tired of her accusing me
of Satanism. Yes I said it you heard it here.
? ? Maybe tomorrow when world ends?
It's
about time!
But, the mice will be furious.
I understand that the dolphins are already negotiating at Magrathea for a
replacement.? But it's likely to have the same bugs. 
11:52 a.m.
I'm just tired of her accusing me of Satanism.
I once told someone I was neo-pagan and got asked in response "so,
you're, like, a Satanist?". I said, "No, I'm not Christian enough to
be a Satanist". I expected that to produce further confusion, which it
did. :-/
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From: Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org>
I'm just tired of her accusing me of Satanism.
I once told someone I was neo-pagan and got asked in response "so,
you're, like, a Satanist?".? I said, "No, I'm not Christian enough to
be a Satanist".? I expected that to produce further confusion, which it
did. :-/
C: Well utter nonsense usually does have that affect. You're point I'll take it is
that Satan/Lucifer is a *product* of the Jewish/Christian scriptures. But conflating
Christianity w/Satanism leaves something to be desired as to valid logic. That's ok
though. The pagans think they have it up on us as a result somehow. I could take the time
to allude to the barbaric practices of most of the early forms of paganism, stuff which
modern pagans take pains to separate themselves from (hence the neo-). It's awful nice
when you can alter your beliefs to suit the times, and dispense with all that nastier
stuff.
?I know a pagan lady. Bat crap crazy she is. She said Thor was one of her favorites
deities (along w/"Squat", who is alleged to be something of a patron saint of
automobile financing. You ask her). So I asked her does she really believe Thor was a real
*god*. She stated to the effect that all those old world gods were
manifestations/representations of "the Divine". So why aren't they all just
manifestations of ol' Beelzebub I ask? What's good for the goose is good for the
gander.
22 Dec
22 Dec
6:33 a.m.
New subject: Neo-paganism [was Re: older Yamaha keyboards]
I once told
someone I was neo-pagan and got asked in response "so,
you're, like, a Satanist?".? I said, "No, I'm not Christian enough
to be a Satanist".? I expected that to produce further confusion,
which it did. :-/
C: Well utter nonsense usually does have that affect. You're
point I'll take$ But conflating Christianity w/Satanism leaves
something to be desired
as to valid logic.
Eh. I hardly conflate the two. But it's a little like asking me
whether I write "standardize" or "standardise" and my replying that I
don't write English at all: it's presuming a separation which exists
only within a framework which has no particular meaning for me. Or
like a Hindu, upon hearing that you're Christian, ask if that means you
worship (say) Shiva. (The latter analogy is a poor one, since Shiva is
not the sort of personification of evil within Hinduism that Satan is
within Christianity, but it may give you somewhat of an idea of how the
question struck me.)
The pagans think they have it up on us as a result
somehow.
Speaking of "the pagans" makes about as much sense as speaking of "the
Christians" - perhaps even less. That aside, I'm not sure what you
think this is "a result" of.
I could take the time to allude to the barbaric
practices of most of
the early forms of paganism,
Indeed, you did.
stuff which modern pagans take pains to separate
themselves from
(hence the neo-). It's awful nice when you can alter your beliefs to
suit the times, and dispense with all that nastier stuff.
Christianity and Abrahamic religions in general don't have particularly
clean hands themselves. Nor are they immune to altering their beliefs
(or at least their dogma, their professed beliefs) to suit the times.
But yes, it is nice. That's one reason we do it, one reason we do not
slavishly follow beliefs and practices better suited to other times and
places: the results are much nicer that way. (Another is that most of
the neo-pagan ways are antagonistic, almsot, to dogma. I was once
asked by a prosletyzer "don't you think it appropriate to invite others
to believe as you do?" and I replied, approximately, "no; I would
rather you seek within yourself and believe as you find appropriate for
you, even if it's different from my way, than that you follow some
dogma, even if that dogma would lead you to something like my way.")
?I know a pagan lady. Bat crap crazy she is.
Indeed. So are some Christians. And Jews. And Moslems. And
atheists. And...
She said Thor was one of her favorites deities (along
w/"Squat", who
is alleged to be something of a patron saint of automobile financing.
You ask her).
Eh. If I had a way to contact her, I might be curious enough to
bother, or I might not. Whether Squat is real for her has no
particular bearing on whether Squat is real for me.
I do, however, wonder why you're citing the opinions and perceptions of
someone "bat crap crazy" as if they were relevant to the discussion.
So I asked her does she really believe Thor was a real
*god*. She
stated to the effect that all those old world gods were
manifestations/representations of "the Divine".
Not a terribly uncommon point of view, and not too far from my own: the
various deities that have reality for me are what the Divine looks like
when looked at from my point of view. This has little-to-nothing to do
with what it looks like when looked at from some other point of view.
So why aren't they all just manifestations of
ol' Beelzebub I ask?
Because Beelzebub - to the extent that the name names anything at all -
names a relatively specific manifestation of the Divine, one which has
little-to-no reality for your acquaintance.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Indeed, though I don't see the proverb as being applicable here.
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New subject: Neo-paganism [was Re: older Yamaha keyboards]
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 09:33:59AM -0500, Mouse wrote:
...
I am not sure that this discussion belongs on this list at all. However
I might point out that the term 'pagan' was originally applied to Xtians
since they did not believe in the Roman gods.
The early Xtians were guilty of genocide, slavery and rape.
And let's not mention the barbaic practices of today's Xtians. That would be
a tu quoque after all. Let me know when Xtians stop killing doctors,
stop screwing little boys, stop encouraging genocide in Africa ok?
I would suggest this is a bad way to claim any sort of moral superiority
due to your religion.
Exactly.
Yes talking to snakes is completely and utterly normal. Gotcha.
Kettle pot.
The pagans
think they have it up on us as a result somehow.
Speaking of "the pagans" makes about as much sense as speaking of "the
Christians" - perhaps even less. That aside, I'm not sure what you
think this is "a result" of. I could take
the time to allude to the barbaric practices of most of
the early forms of paganism,
Indeed, you did. stuff which modern pagans take pains to separate
themselves from
(hence the neo-). It's awful nice when you can alter your beliefs to
suit the times, and dispense with all that nastier stuff.
Christianity and Abrahamic religions in general don't have particularly
clean hands themselves. Nor are they immune to altering their beliefs
(or at least their dogma, their professed beliefs) to suit the times. ?I know a pagan
lady. Bat crap crazy she is.
Indeed. So are some Christians. And Jews. And Moslems. And
atheists. And...
She said Thor was one of her favorites deities
(along w/"Squat", who
is alleged to be something of a patron saint of automobile financing.
You ask her).
Eh. If I had a way to contact her, I might be curious enough to
bother, or I might not. Whether Squat is real for her has no
particular bearing on whether Squat is real for me.
I do, however, wonder why you're citing the opinions and perceptions of
someone "bat crap crazy" as if they were relevant to the discussion.
So I asked her does she really believe Thor was a
real *god*. She
stated to the effect that all those old world gods were
manifestations/representations of "the Divine".
Not a terribly uncommon point of view, and not too far from my own: the
various deities that have reality for me are what the Divine looks like
when looked at from my point of view. This has little-to-nothing to do
with what it looks like when looked at from some other point of view. From my point of view, there are no such entities as I
am an atheist.
There are also neopagans who also happen to be atheist. Yes this is
possible.
Indeed, though I don't see the proverb as being applicable here.
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religion off of here as it is a personal matter. Religion is like bad breath,
I don't care if you have it just keep it away from me.
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8:22 a.m.
New subject: Neo-paganism [was Re: older Yamaha keyboards]
"Religion is like bad breath,
I don't care if you have it just keep it away from me."
Lol. love it. Agreed and likely popular demand not to squabble over personal, or ancient
beliefs here. Long as you're happy with whatever then it serves you well.
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Subject: Re: Neo-paganism [was Re: older Yamaha keyboards]
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 09:33:59AM -0500, Mouse wrote:
...
I am not sure that this discussion belongs on this list at all. However
I might point out that the term 'pagan' was originally applied to Xtians
since they did not believe in the Roman gods.
The early Xtians were guilty of genocide, slavery and rape.
And let's not mention the barbaic practices of today's Xtians. That would be
a tu quoque after all. Let me know when Xtians stop killing doctors,
stop screwing little boys, stop encouraging genocide in Africa ok?
I would suggest this is a bad way to claim any sort of moral superiority
due to your religion.
Exactly.
Yes talking to snakes is completely and utterly normal. Gotcha.
Kettle pot.
The pagans
think they have it up on us as a result somehow.
Speaking of "the pagans" makes about as much sense as speaking of "the
Christians" - perhaps even less. That aside, I'm not sure what you
think this is "a result" of. I could take
the time to allude to the barbaric practices of most of
the early forms of paganism,
Indeed, you did. stuff which modern pagans take pains to separate
themselves from
(hence the neo-). It's awful nice when you can alter your beliefs to
suit the times, and dispense with all that nastier stuff.
Christianity and Abrahamic religions in general don't have particularly
clean hands themselves. Nor are they immune to altering their beliefs
(or at least their dogma, their professed beliefs) to suit the times. ?I know a pagan
lady. Bat crap crazy she is.
Indeed. So are some Christians. And Jews. And Moslems. And
atheists. And...
She said Thor was one of her favorites deities
(along w/"Squat", who
is alleged to be something of a patron saint of automobile financing.
You ask her).
Eh. If I had a way to contact her, I might be curious enough to
bother, or I might not. Whether Squat is real for her has no
particular bearing on whether Squat is real for me.
I do, however, wonder why you're citing the opinions and perceptions of
someone "bat crap crazy" as if they were relevant to the discussion.
So I asked her does she really believe Thor was a
real *god*. She
stated to the effect that all those old world gods were
manifestations/representations of "the Divine".
Not a terribly uncommon point of view, and not too far from my own: the
various deities that have reality for me are what the Divine looks like
when looked at from my point of view. This has little-to-nothing to do
with what it looks like when looked at from some other point of view. From my point of view, there are no such entities as I
am an atheist.
There are also neopagans who also happen to be atheist. Yes this is
possible.
Indeed, though I don't see the proverb as being applicable here.
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I'm going to leave off here with a request to all of you to take
religion off of here as it is a personal matter. Religion is like bad breath,
I don't care if you have it just keep it away from me.
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10:36 a.m.
New subject: Neo-paganism [was Re: older Yamaha keyboards]
I am not sure that this discussion belongs on this list at all. However
I might point out that the term 'pagan' was originally applied to Xtians
since they did not believe in the Roman gods.
C: Actually the early (early 4th century) Christians were designated atheists.
The early Xtians were guilty of genocide, slavery and rape.
And let's not mention the barbaic practices of today's Xtians. That would be
a tu quoque after all. Let me know when Xtians stop killing doctors,
stop screwing little boys, stop encouraging genocide in Africa ok?
C: I'm not looking to belabor any of these points here. I was merely differentiating
between creeds. There is no part of the Apostolic creed that calls for any of those things
you mentioned. Many pagans though *were* called upon to commit numerous atrocities. That
"Christians" fail to commit to their creed is owing to their humanity, not the
creed itself.
I would suggest this is a bad way to claim any sort of moral superiority
due to your religion.
C: I claim to aspire to moral superiority, because I think Christianity is superior to all
of the primitive religions. That is all.
Exactly.
C: Of course I separate myself from those of any stripe that commit atrocities. Is that a
bad thing? Should I join in???
?The point is contained in the tenets of Christianity are those yucky things like
brotherly love, even loving your enemies, but I suggest anyone should exercise a little
discernment w/that.
Yes talking to snakes is completely and utterly normal. Gotcha.
Kettle pot.
?C: I've never talked to a snake. I do very often talk to my cat though. I've had
a few birds attempt to engage me in conversation though.
I could take
the time to allude to the barbaric practices of most of
the early forms of paganism,
Indeed, you did. stuff which
modern pagans take pains to separate themselves from
(hence the neo-).? It's awful nice when you can alter your beliefs to
suit the times, and dispense with all that nastier stuff.
Christianity and Abrahamic religions in general don't have particularly
clean hands themselves.? Nor are they immune to altering their beliefs
(or at least their dogma, their professed beliefs) to suit the times. ?I know a pagan
lady.? Bat crap crazy she is.
Indeed.? So are some Christians.? And Jews.? And Moslems.? And
atheists.? And...
She said Thor was one of her favorites deities
(along w/"Squat", who
is alleged to be something of a patron saint of automobile financing.
You ask her).
Eh.? If I had a way to contact her, I might be curious enough to
bother, or I might not.? Whether Squat is real for her has no
particular bearing on whether Squat is real for me. I do, however, wonder why you're citing the
opinions and perceptions of
someone "bat crap crazy" as if they were relevant to the discussion.
So I asked her does she really believe Thor was a
real *god*.? She
stated to the effect that all those old world gods were
manifestations/representations of "the Divine".
Not a terribly uncommon point of view, and not too far from my own: the
various deities that have reality for me are what the Divine looks like
when looked at from my point of view.? This has little-to-nothing to do
with what it looks like when looked at from some other point of view. From my point of view, there are no such entities as I
am an atheist.
There are also neopagans who also happen to be atheist. Yes this is
possible.
C: And words tend to lose every bit of their meaning in this modern culture.
?? Not even atheists are atheists anymore. Unless they're a perfect "10".
Know any? I don't.
?Ok I'm done. I just want the opportunity to respond to what's left in my inbox as
of 1:35 pm EST.
8:45 a.m.
New subject: Neo-paganism [was Re: older Yamaha keyboards]
I'm glad this thread has a proper subject line. *filter
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11:33 a.m.
On 21 December 2012 20:34, Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com> wrote:
C: Well utter nonsense usually does have that affect. You're point I'll take it
is that Satan/Lucifer is a *product* of the Jewish/Christian scriptures. But conflating
Christianity w/Satanism leaves something to be desired as to valid logic. That's ok
though. The pagans think they have it up on us as a result somehow. I could take the time
to allude to the barbaric practices of most of the early forms of paganism, stuff which
modern pagans take pains to separate themselves from (hence the neo-). It's awful nice
when you can alter your beliefs to suit the times, and dispense with all that nastier
stuff.
I know a pagan lady. Bat crap crazy she is. She said Thor was one of her favorites
deities (along w/"Squat", who is alleged to be something of a patron saint of
automobile financing. You ask her). So I asked her does she really believe Thor was a real
*god*. She stated to the effect that all those old world gods were
manifestations/representations of "the Divine". So why aren't they all just
manifestations of ol' Beelzebub I ask? What's good for the goose is good for the
gander.
There's no point trying to explain it to you - you wouldn't
understand; our previous email conversations have demonstrated that.
As a happily god-free atheist, I've been called a satanist before,
myself. The typical god-botherer is too stupid to understand that not
believing in their preferred fictional sky-fairy doesn't mean that I
believe in a different fictional sky-fairy. The notion of not
believing that there are /any/ fictional sky-fairies at all is too
difficult for many of them to comprehend.
And since you believe that your mythical magic
pixie-cum-dead-Jew-on-a-stick made the universe in a week 6000 years
ago, that very very strongly suggests that you are not one of the
smarter ones. :?D
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1:45 p.m.
I can't believe these skeevy atheists. Not all are, but his type are.
What's this with a Jew on a stick? You think you win people's respect when you say
something like that???
You really are disturbed. Statements like this fully demonstrate that. I will repeat not
every atheist is like him, so I hate to paint every one w/a broad brush. But I repeat
atheists of his stripe are poor excuses for humanity.
?Oh and you just absolutely radiate intelligence, don't you?
?What did this conversation have to do w/you anyway???
?There's obviously something bothering you. Bothering you terribly. Curious what that
might be.
?I don't (generally) demean people's lack of belief. I'm just utterly
persuaded that this existence that we share is a product of a vast mind. Not the result of
a vast number of random events, which to me is just painfully stupid (whoops). So
you're referring to the Creator as a pixie does little to dissuade me of this
rational.
?You really owe the list an apology. I've debated w/atheists for well over 5 years,
but have yet to hear any sort of rhetoric approaching that. You win the prize hands down.
Congratulations.
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From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: older Yamaha keyboards
On 21 December 2012 20:34, Chris Tofu <rampaginggreenhulk at yahoo.com> wrote:
C: Well utter nonsense usually does have that affect. You're point I'll take it
is that Satan/Lucifer is a *product* of the Jewish/Christian scriptures. But conflating
Christianity w/Satanism leaves something to be desired as to valid logic. That's ok
though. The pagans think they have it up on us as a result somehow. I could take the time
to allude to the barbaric practices of most of the early forms of paganism, stuff which
modern pagans take pains to separate themselves from (hence the neo-). It's awful nice
when you can alter your beliefs to suit the times, and dispense with all that nastier
stuff.
? I know a pagan lady. Bat crap crazy she is. She said Thor was one of her favorites
deities (along w/"Squat", who is alleged to be something of a patron saint of
automobile financing. You ask her). So I asked her does she really believe Thor was a real
*god*. She stated to the effect that all those old world gods were
manifestations/representations of "the Divine". So why aren't they all just
manifestations of ol' Beelzebub I ask? What's good for the goose is good for the
gander.
There's no point trying to explain it to you - you wouldn't
understand; our previous email conversations have demonstrated that.
As a happily god-free atheist, I've been called a satanist before,
myself. The typical god-botherer is too stupid to understand that not
believing in their preferred fictional sky-fairy doesn't mean that I
believe in a different fictional sky-fairy. The notion of not
believing that there are /any/ fictional sky-fairies at all is too
difficult for many of them to comprehend.
And since you believe that your mythical magic
pixie-cum-dead-Jew-on-a-stick made the universe in a week 6000 years
ago, that very very strongly suggests that you are not one of the
smarter ones. :?D
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11:04 a.m.
From: Alexandre Souza - Listas <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com>
? Maybe tomorrow when world ends?
C: Michael Savage stated the other night that college educated Mayans don't buy into
that. Thank God for college is all I say!
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