Terry, On Jul 2, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Terry Stewart <terry at webweavers.co.nz> wrote: I routinely use: OmniWeb on NeXTStep 3.2. I won?t be back in front of my NeXT Cube to verify version number until late July, but it?s a reasonably early version :-) TenFourFox on Mac OS 10.4. Version 38 is Beta and I?ll be getting that as soon as I get back home to my PowerBook G4 and iMac G3. I can?t honestly say either is my primary platform. At the moment I?m using Safari 7.1.6. :-(. I?m not sure what to tell you about modernizing. I recognize the drive to stay ?in sync? with modern standards, but it really grinds my gears when a site that is mostly useful information gets a lot of glitz and glamor and goes inaccessible to the machines it was originally written for. There are (were) so many wonderful sites out there with tons of great text and just the few pictures that were really needed. Now it?s all dancing jellyfish and pop-up revenue sources, and I have trouble getting to the information even with modern browsers. I *love* the idea of actually being able to *use* the classic machines for as much as possible, and the functions of going out to a website, getting the text and picture content, and displaying it are well within what the NeXT and iMac (and several others I want to bring up; VAX/Alpha on VMS, etc. etc.) can do - if the websites will only serve content to the standards the old machines were written for. But when the standards evolve away, it needlessly turns really neat hardware into doorstops as far as that functionality goes. I don?t love that process. TenFourFox rocks particularly hard in this context, by the way, but ? I don?t know of a NeXT port. Of course it?s at least twice as much work for the website developer and I can?t really expect it, but I keep wishing developers could put out two (or more) versions of their sites, one suitablle for my (it was invented *here*, dad-gum-it) NeXT and one for my jellyfish-friendly cellphone (hey, is it updating its software again today :-P?). And, hopefully, my X.9 laptop will be able to read at least one of the two. The Dilbert Zone did this for a while - I read the simple version of the strip every day on the NeXT. They went to a more markteer-driven format, and I quit reading them because it quit loading on OmniWeb. Hm. I?m sounding a little like a grumpy old geezer ?. ah well, so be it. I do have to say this: whatever you decide, you are one of the good guys for two reasons; first you are making loads of great information available about these machines and second, you actually give a hoot about people using them, enough to at least ask! Thanks, and I promise not to back-bite whichever way you go. Loads fine on the MacBook on Safari 7.1.6 but leaves more empty space than I?m used to in the window, looks nice on the Moto X cellphone running Chrome on Android 4.4.4. Sigh, sure wish I wasn?t on travel and could give you feedback from OmniWeb and TenFourFox, will do that when I can but we probably both know the answer... - Mark

On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:26:35AM +1200, Terry Stewart wrote: Um, Page Not Found? The main page loaded ok, however. (comments-or-rant-mode T) This is not about your website, which looks very nice (Opera, see below), but here goes. Myself, I'm not the biggest fan of modern web technology. Especially when I load a page and see one of my CPU rate go to 100% regadless of core speed (I use a not so classic 4-core and set their speeds manually as I please). And no, there is nothing (visible) on the page which could be blamed for this. Apparently some piece of code loaded energy saving. Of course there are also pages which load as a charm. Overally, my opinion is this: if it doesn't show content with Javascript turned off, I should assume there is nothing interesting for me there. But I'm ok if others don't follow this line of thinking. (comments-or-rant-mode nil) If you care about being readable, I suggest that you test your new webstyles with text browser. There are few of them, lynx is my goto for textual browsing. I guess mobile friendly should be readable in older browsers, too, at least if they can ask for proper stylesheet (but I have no idea, really). Loads and looks acceptable under: - Links 2.7 in graphical mode (links2 -g -> loads images, but I guess no JS) - Emacs 23.4.1 with w3m browser (with image load toggled on and off, again no JS) - Opera 12.16 (Build 1860) - I try to only load as much JS as needed and routinely browse with styles turned off, because when they're on, this old browser sometimes shows trash instead of text or it renders page in such way that my eyes hurt. I tried to fix it by googling + reconfiguration and gave up, multiple times. I understand it could have been considered a (website?) bug in the past but nowadays it is a feature. A very important one. All under Debian 7.0, if that matters. I also use some modern browsers too, but didn't test with them. Other pages always look ok in them. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **