21 Apr
2005
21 Apr
'05
3:47 p.m.
Randy McLaughlin <cctalk at randy482.com> wrote:
The Russians were right in keeping tubes well beyond
what we did. That's
how they got to venus!
FYI, those tubes that went to Venus were designed by my dad.
MS
21 Apr
21 Apr
4:11 p.m.
On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 19:47 +0000, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Randy McLaughlin <cctalk at randy482.com>
wrote:
Wow, that's a rather cool claim to fame :)
The Russians were right in keeping tubes well
beyond what we did. That's
how they got to venus!
FYI, those tubes that went to Venus were designed by my dad. 
4:24 p.m.
wrote:
FYI, those tubes that went to Venus were designed by my
dad.
MS
Now does he want them back .... ???
Lets face all countries have their share of good and bad strengths
however in the field of SPACE remember PRIDE was a big factor
that worked both ways. I wonder what would have happened if
the USA and USSR had worked together in space?
Only today are we starting to get over the goverment... err miltiary
control of air-space so people can get into space.
4:45 p.m.
From: "woodelf" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:24 PM
wrote:
It was competition that drove the space race. If you look at the simple
fact that in the 60's we went to the moon and now we struggle to just get
into high orbit around earth (250,000 miles lower as I remember).
In the USA we set up two separate space agencies, one was in the US Air
Force the other a civilian agency (NASA). Both agencies are still going,
the military is the smarter agency still using rockets. NASA shot it's wad
on the shuttle stating that it would be cheaper than rockets plus they could
be quickly turned around and sent back up in short order. NASA lied.
Today the cooperation is not helping to get more done it is just slowing
down the degradation.
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
FYI, those tubes that went to Venus were designed
by my dad.
MS
Now does he want them back .... ???
Lets face all countries have their share of good and bad strengths
however in the field of SPACE remember PRIDE was a big factor
that worked both ways. I wonder what would have happened if
the USA and USSR had worked together in space?
Only today are we starting to get over the goverment... err miltiary
control of air-space so people can get into space.
5:20 p.m.
Randy McLaughlin wrote:
It was competition that drove the space race. If you look at the
simple fact that in the 60's we went to the moon and now we struggle
to just get into high orbit around earth (250,000 miles lower as I
remember).
Low earth orbit is ample. With out GERMAN leader ship the USA would
never have got any kind of
space program. The only real new real techology that the US developed
was in the last 5? years
was with the winner of the X-PRIZE.
In the USA we set up two separate space agencies, one
was in the US
Air Force the other a civilian agency (NASA). Both agencies are still
going, the military is the smarter agency still using rockets. NASA
shot it's wad on the shuttle stating that it would be cheaper than
rockets plus they could be quickly turned around and sent back up in
short order. NASA lied.
I read some where that the shuttle was re-designed for miltary payload
in to secret orbits and that messed the design
totaly. The solid state booster was also a dumb idea. In hind sight I
think a small but reliable payload would have been
a better option -- about 100 Kg into a fixed orbit with a 2nd stage
unmanned craft and a 1st stage aircraft booster to
get out the atmophere.
Today the cooperation is not helping to get more done
it is just
slowing down the degradation.
BIG ideas is the problem, not a steady space program with simple goals.
Now search for "deep cold" on the web for hidden history of the space
program.
ALSO the anime "Royal Space Force: the Wings of Honneamis" is a good watch.
Randy
I think the problem with general space acess is much like computer
history... only if we get a lucky break
can we have it. That is not to say the USA/USSR have not done great
things in space but they
have done so with feedback from the public, and that has limited the
goals they could reach.
4:59 p.m.
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, woodelf wrote:
that worked both ways. I wonder what would have
happened if
the USA and USSR had worked together in space?
We probably would not have made the accomplishments that we did.
Competition, especially between mortal enemies, is a very motivating
factor.
Only today are we starting to get over the
goverment... err miltiary
control of air-space so people can get into space.
At least until the US declares ownership of space.
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5:07 p.m.
From: "Michael Sokolov" <msokolov at ivan.harhan.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:47 PM
Randy McLaughlin <cctalk at randy482.com>
wrote:
I don't remember all the details but I read that while NASA always tried to
solve problems with $ and technology.
The Russians used something better: thought. The biggest problems were
heat and pressure. Solid state devices shut down when heated. The
spacecraft was open on the flight to Venus and sealed up before landing.
This kept the insides under vacuum which slowed down heat transference.
Smart, very smart.
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
The Russians were right in keeping tubes well
beyond what we did. That's
how they got to venus!
FYI, those tubes that went to Venus were designed by my dad.
MS 
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