2 Jul
2015
2 Jul
'15
8:50 p.m.
the fun think about the old lunx browser is you could run it on a pc
8088 old system!
I have a pc speed little laptop and used the lynx in on the road
applications
we had a free net here in phx and many people used it for ages...
it was fun to use old machine with lynx but if I wanted to really work
though out came IE explorer or netscape get the fastest machine I
could get and a t1 LINE OR EVENTUALLY MY OWN CABLE AND DSL CONNECTION.
Ed#
In a message dated 7/2/2015 5:14:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
billdegnan at gmail.com writes:
I have been using Mosaic on my OpenVMS system, almost unusable, but fun.
It's more important in this day and age to keep up with the web publishing
standards than maintain backward compatibility. Google penalizes sites
that are not mobile friendly in their rankings. If you can't be found,
what's the point?
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 07/02/2015 03:26 PM, Terry Stewart wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my
> classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms.
> I
> want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard
> as
> I can
>
> The RetroChallenge blog site is here.
>
>
http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2015-06-29-recoding-classic-comput…
> .
>
> In doing this, I will probably need to say goodbye to old browser
> compatibility. As in old I mean Netscape 4 or earlier, and other
pre-2000
browsers (and
possibly IE 6, as it's not very standard).
I've got a couple systems with IE 6.1, but generally I go for Opera 10.64
or thereabouts. Still very useful and not very demanding on system
resources.
I'll let you know about your web page later.
--Chuck
2 Jul
2 Jul
9:07 p.m.
It's more important in this day and age to keep up
with the web
publishing standards than maintain backward compatibility.
Depends on what you're aiming for. Not everyone cares about making the
latest glitz available even to those who can display it.
Google penalizes sites that are not mobile friendly in
their
rankings. If you can't be found, what's the point?
Well, what's the point of putting something up on the Web at all?
Speaking personally (as someone who exports a little stuff as Web pages
and doesn't give a damn about Google's rankings), to make it available.
I've mentioned it a few times (on mailing lists and in person) and a
handful of people have been paying attention according to my logs;
that's enough for me.
Of course, if you've bought into the modern "the whole point of the Web
is to get paid for ad clickthroughs" paradigm, then you're right, there
is little point. (And, again speaking personally, anyone who feels
that way I am not only willing but _happy_ to write off.)
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10:01 p.m.
In a message dated 7/2/2015 5:14:33 P.M. MT, billdegnan at gmail.com writes:
I have been using Mosaic on my OpenVMS system, almost
unusable, but fun.
In what way is it "unusable"?
It's more important in this day and age to keep
up with the web publishing
standards than maintain backward compatibility.
Is FORM that much more important than CONTENT?
WHY "keep up with the web publishing standards"??!?
What does that mean?
Just because somebody comes up with an even flashier way to have dancing
kangaroos and yodelling jellyfish present your message doesn't necessarily
mean that anything previous is "UNACCEPTABLE".
In most cases, maintaining backwards compatability merely means telling
the "web development" software and/or staff to NOT flip the "exclude
everything non-current" switch. 'Course most "web development"
software
from MICROS~1 prob'ly has default settings of
"block access by any versions
prior to this one".
Google penalizes sites that are not mobile friendly
in their rankings.
Yes, it surely is far more important that a site be easy to use on a
telephone than its content! Format should follow readability guidelines
for a first grade primer, with preferably no more than 6 lines of text on
the screen at a time, with no more than 6 words of text per line. Or, if
that's too insulting, follow the "Haiku rule of formatting" and don't
exceed 17 syllables. (cf, "The Cognitive Style Of PowerPoint : Pitching
Out Corrupts Within" by Edward R. Tufte)
30+ years ago, there were actually some serious studies analyzing
correlations in writing styles with number of characters on the screen.
Would Herman Melville have benefitted from the use of a word processor
with a small screen?
Does it really make sense that non-telephone software be prioritized by
the ease of use of the website by a telephone?
Certain software thay I've written will not run on a telephone;
why should the websites providing information about it?
I get an amazing amount of spam, even from Network Solutions (remember
what THEIR role in internet used to be?), about the "necessity" of being
ranked first. Much of which is presumably selling stuff to scam the
Google ranking systems, such as by flooding the site with invisible
high-value terms.
If you can't be found, what's the point?
Is the only possible point to putting a document on the web being to
attract strangers to a site? Is it ALL advertising?
Is there "no point" to having a document available on the web for access
by people who have been notified about its existence in any form other
than Google search? Yeah, it is nice if people looking for your content
can find it more easily, but what's with the over-emphasis on being found
ahead of anybody else's content?
If somebody is looking for me, or any of my projects, they are easy to
find. Should I also rename myself "Aaaaaaa" just so I can be the first
one in the phonebook?
My websites tend to be "best viewed with Lynx 2.0",
although I often use IE 8.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
11:10 p.m.
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 07:01:33PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
My websites tend to be "best viewed with Lynx
2.0", although I often
use IE 8.
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
Grumpy old man here as well, but if you want to use certain sites
(example: price out a new Mazda vehicle, pay certain health insurance)
they simply will not work without the interactive razzle-dazzle. We
can moan if we want. And, yes, I have a copy of lynx installed on this
very machine as a sanity-test of my own websites.
FWIW, the last time I looked at BBC News with lynx (I had confused my
laptop's X setup in a botched upgrade), man did it load fast :-)
mcl
11:14 p.m.
On 2015-07-02 11:10 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 07:01:33PM -0700, Fred Cisin
wrote:
It's almost as if there should be laws around accessibility!
--Toby
My websites tend to be "best viewed with
Lynx 2.0", although I often
use IE 8.
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
Grumpy old man here as well, but if you want to use certain sites
(example: price out a new Mazda vehicle, pay certain health insurance)
they simply will not work without the interactive razzle-dazzle. We
can moan if we want. And, yes, I have a copy of lynx installed on this
very machine as a sanity-test of my own websites.
FWIW, the last time I looked at BBC News with lynx (I had confused my
laptop's X setup in a botched upgrade), man did it load fast :-)
mcl
11:31 p.m.
It is quite easy with html 5 and css3, the modern tools of the web
designer, to detect when a lynx browser is being used to access the page
and in response present a text version of the site.
best of both worlds
b
On Jul 2, 2015 11:14 PM, "Toby Thain" <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
wrote:
On 2015-07-02 11:10 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 07:01:33PM -0700, Fred
Cisin wrote:
It's almost as if there should be laws around accessibility!
--Toby
My websites tend to be "best viewed with
Lynx 2.0", although I often
use IE 8.
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
Grumpy old man here as well, but if you want to use certain sites
(example: price out a new Mazda vehicle, pay certain health insurance)
they simply will not work without the interactive razzle-dazzle. We
can moan if we want. And, yes, I have a copy of lynx installed on this
very machine as a sanity-test of my own websites.
FWIW, the last time I looked at BBC News with
lynx (I had confused my
laptop's X setup in a botched upgrade), man did it load fast :-)
mcl
11:48 p.m.
On 2015-07-02 11:31 PM, william degnan wrote:
It is quite easy with html 5 and css3, the modern
tools of the web
designer, to detect when a lynx browser is being used to access the page
and in response present a text version of the site.
best of both worlds
Oh, I know it can be done. It's not a /technical/ problem :-)
--T
b
On Jul 2, 2015 11:14 PM, "Toby Thain" <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
wrote:
On 2015-07-02 11:10 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 07:01:33PM -0700, Fred
Cisin wrote:
It's almost as if there should be laws around accessibility!
--Toby
My websites tend to be "best viewed with
Lynx 2.0", although I often
use IE 8.
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
Grumpy old man here as well, but if you want to use certain sites
(example: price out a new Mazda vehicle, pay certain health insurance)
they simply will not work without the interactive razzle-dazzle. We
can moan if we want. And, yes, I have a copy of lynx installed on this
very machine as a sanity-test of my own websites.
FWIW, the last time I looked at BBC News with
lynx (I had confused my
laptop's X setup in a botched upgrade), man did it load fast :-)
mcl
11:34 p.m.
Grumpy old man here as well, but if you want to use
certain sites
(example: price out a new Mazda vehicle, pay certain health
insurance) they simply will not work without the interactive
razzle-dazzle.
Yes.
I consider that yet another reason (as if I needed one) to not use
them. I push back hard against organizations that try to insist on my
use of the Web; for the most part I simply have nothing to do with
them. (As an example, I moved the pension fund money away from my
(now-ex-)employer's pension fund, in large part because, based on the
letters they sent me, they appeared to support no way other than the
Web for me to have anything to do with them. Indeed, they had gone so
far down that road that it was somewhat difficult for me to find a
postal address to send the letter to.)
FWIW, the last time I looked at BBC News with lynx (I
had confused my
laptop's X setup in a botched upgrade), man did it load fast :-)
Even then, not as fast as it could have, I daresay. See my blah post
of 2009-10-06,
{ftp,http}://ftp.rodents-montreal.org/mouse/blah/2009-10-06-1.html, for
a rant about another website's mishandling such things.
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