1 Nov
2016
1 Nov
'16
7:43 p.m.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then
suddenly hours later appears for sale again. I'm done bidding on this each time it
appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller would cancel
the auction.
corey cohen
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1 Nov
1 Nov
8:12 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen <AppleCorey at optonline.net> wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then
suddenly hours later appears for sale again. I'm done bidding on this each time it
appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller would cancel
the auction.
"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"
What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.
Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago.
8:17 p.m.
Yep. Stay away.
This seller is breaking eBay policies because that 21 days is required to allow the buyer
to lodge a grievance if something is wrong.
The seller should avtually be reported.
Doug Jackson
On 2 November 2016 11:12:14 am AEDT, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen
<AppleCorey at optonline.net wrote:
"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"
What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10
foot pole.
Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and
then suddenly hours later appears for sale again. I'm done bidding on
this each time it appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive
or if the seller would cancel the auction.
8:31 p.m.
More reasons to stay away:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?29469-(not-mine)-Another-Altair-8…
8:42 p.m.
This is the same guy that "sold" an Alto a few months ago for an insane amt of
money.
On 11/1/16 5:31 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
More reasons to stay away:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?29469-(not-mine)-Another-Altair-8…
8:56 p.m.
On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Glen Slick <glen.slick
at gmail.com> wrote:
Wow that is the same unit for sale. It doesn't have the key power switch like all
Helios but a replacement rocker one so you can identify it as the same unit.
Ok now this is getting really interesting. My guess is his alter ego must keep winning.
He is trying to drive up the price. Sure if the unit worked or was confirmed to have an
intact glass scale it might be worth a a ton.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen
<AppleCorey at optonline.net> wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then
suddenly hours later appears for sale again. I'm done bidding on this each time it
appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller would cancel
the auction.
"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"
What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.
Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago. 
9:13 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Corey Cohen <AppleCorey at optonline.net>
wrote:
Sure if the unit worked or was confirmed to have an
intact glass scale it
might be worth a a ton.
It certainly weights a ton ;)
I've been watching these auctions too and now I understand the funny
business with this thread. Wouldn't the potential buyers (if someone real
actually won) wonder why it's back up for sale?
Same seller sold the Altair 680. I wonder if that buyer ever got it as
there is no feedback for the seller.
9:59 p.m.
On 11/01/2016 07:12 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen
<AppleCorey at optonline.net> wrote:
That violates PayPal rules. You MUST ship within 7 days or
you are in violation.
Jon
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then
suddenly hours later appears for sale again. I'm done bidding on this each time it
appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller would cancel
the auction.
"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"
What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.
4 Nov
4 Nov
7:54 a.m.
On 02/11/16 00:12, Glen Slick wrote:
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen
<AppleCorey at optonline.net> wrote:
The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).
Paperone is the Italian version of Disney's Scrooge McDuck.
paperonebonaparte also sold a PET for 350 euro and an Altair for $1136
and a C4004 microprocessor for 1297 euro.
He (or she) is obviously quite reasonable: the
" MITS Altair 8800a Lights Working! BILL GATES IMSAI 8080 - C4004 ERA PC
DISK (#271980509395)"
was up for 2000 euro but a best offer was accepted :-)
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
arcarlini at iee.org
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then
suddenly hours later appears for sale again. I'm done bidding on this each time it
appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller would cancel
the auction.
"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"
What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.
Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago.
11:03 a.m.
The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just
as well).
Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly the
same.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272436936862
10 Nov
10 Nov
1:22 p.m.
On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick" <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
the same.
Sold for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably
just as well).
Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly 
1:42 p.m.
On 11/10/2016 10:22 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"
<glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
the
same.
Sold
for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
Someone with 434
feedback and history of vintage stuff bid the auction
up against a bidder with private auction info. I suspect the Private
guy was a shill, as the only information that is shared now is the
general history of bids for your opponent, and the count (if not private).
So concealing that history and count is the way the shill can obscure
their identity. So still stinks. I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know
what he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth
of their money and a lot of time.
thanks
Jim
The
listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).
Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly
1:50 p.m.
I do watch the auctions for this Helios drive but won't bid. Too much BS
going on with this seller, it seems. I suspect the private seller is an
alter ego of his.
I did manage to find a Cromemco PFD Persci dual drive this morning on eBay
for $250. I have every confidence this will come. I would have no
confidence with the Helios seller.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:42 PM, jim stephens <jwsmail at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 11/10/2016 10:22 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"
<glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
Someone with 434 feedback and history of vintage stuff bid the auction up
against a bidder with private auction info. I suspect the Private guy was
a shill, as the only information that is shared now is the general history
of bids for your opponent, and the count (if not private).
So concealing that history and count is the way the shill can obscure
their identity. So still stinks. I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know what
he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth of their
money and a lot of time.
thanks
Jim
The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably
just as well).
the
same.
Sold for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly
1:52 p.m.
The way you know it was a shill bit is that
the bidder will get a notice that the top bidder dropped
out.
With the newer rules that ebay came up with the second
bidder may be required to take it at their high bid if the
seller is willing to take that much for it.
It is really scummy.
The rule almost encourages shill bidding.
They know it but it is all about profit.
The other one is that you see the item relisted by the
same seller.
Dwight
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<jwsmail at jwsss.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:42:18 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item
On 11/10/2016 10:22 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"
<glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
the
same.
Sold
for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
Someone with 434
feedback and history of vintage stuff bid the auction
up against a bidder with private auction info. I suspect the Private
guy was a shill, as the only information that is shared now is the
general history of bids for your opponent, and the count (if not private).
So concealing that history and count is the way the shill can obscure
their identity. So still stinks. I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know
what he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth
of their money and a lot of time.
thanks
Jim
The
listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).
Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly 
1:53 p.m.
I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know
what he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth
of their money and a lot of time.
thanks
Jim
Time maybe, money no. This is the one reason eBay stays in business and people spend money
there. You are basically guaranteed not to get screwed as a buyer - the same can't be
said at many of the other sites (e.g. Etsy). This is also why sellers won't leave eBay
because the buyers are not willing to go to a site w/ no guarantees, drop a wad of cash,
and hope the seller delivers! Sellers can complain as much as they want but the truth is
the eBay model allows and encourages bigger bids/higher selling prices.
-Ali
10:24 p.m.
On 11/10/2016 12:22 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"
<glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
the
same.
Sold
for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
Note the shipping is $150!
Jon
The
listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).
Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly
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