11 May
2003
11 May
'03
6:03 a.m.
Additional question:
Can the PDP-11 be connected to the internet ?
What about TCP/IP ?
Pierre
cctech(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 10.05.03 21:41:39:
Even better, how about the Digital PDP-11.
On Sat, 2003-05-10 at 14:14, UnRooster wrote:
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>1: What is the oldest computer or comptuer system still in normal
>operational use
>
>2: What is the oldest that is connected to the internet
>
>3: What is the oldest connected to the internet AND hosting web pages
>that can be visited (I know of an Atari that is acting as a web server,
>don't remember the URL, but it shouldn't be tough to find... didn't know
>if there was something older)
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11 May
11 May
7:11 a.m.
I think the answer is yes to both questions if it is running Unix (BSD),
but no if it is running RT-11.
On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 10:01, Pierre Gebhardt wrote:
Additional question:
Can the PDP-11 be connected to the internet ?
What about TCP/IP ?
Pierre
cctech(a)classiccmp.org schrieb am 10.05.03 21:41:39:
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Even better, how about the Digital PDP-11.
On Sat, 2003-05-10 at 14:14, UnRooster wrote:
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>1: What is the oldest computer or comptuer system still in normal
>operational use
>
>2: What is the oldest that is connected to the internet
>
>3: What is the oldest connected to the internet AND hosting web pages
>that can be visited (I know of an Atari that is acting as a web server,
>don't remember the URL, but it shouldn't be tough to find... didn't know
>if there was something older)
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7:42 a.m.
* Pierre Gebhardt <cheri-post(a)web.de> [03-05-11 16:54]:
Additional question:
Can the PDP-11 be connected to the internet ?
What about TCP/IP ?
simh is able to simulate some kind of network adapter for the PDP-11, so
hardware exists to connect a PDP-11 to the internet. In fact, I already
had 2.11BSD running inside simh, downloading software via FTP.
regards, ak
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8:47 a.m.
I think the answer is yes to both questions if it is
running Unix (BSD),
but no if it is running RT-11.
The answer is yes to both even for RT.. there is a TCP/IP stack
for RT which was submitted to DECUS. I seem to remember 110939
as the package number. There are also third-party TCP/IP
stacks for RT (and the other pdp-11 OSes)
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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| Member of Technical Staff | megan at savaje dot com |
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| Chelmsford, MA | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
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11:31 a.m.
I think the
answer is yes to both questions if it is running Unix (BSD),
but no if it is running RT-11.
The answer is yes to both even for RT.. there is a TCP/IP stack
for RT which was submitted to DECUS. I seem to remember 110939
as the package number. There are also third-party TCP/IP
stacks for RT (and the other pdp-11 OSes)
4:39 p.m.
On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 15:29, Zane H. Healy wrote:
For the person asking about connecting a PDP-11 to the
net:
There is TCPware for RSX-11M, RSX-11M+, MicroRSX, and I believe RT-11,
If you have more information about the availability of TCPware for
RT-11, I would be very interested.
Thanks,
Barry
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8:14 p.m.
On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 15:29, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I've no idea, I know the RSX-11M+ version is still available. I assume if you
contacted them they'd sell you a license. I also assume you're a hobbyist, and
even if you're not, Alan Baldwin's probably offers more features.
Zane
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For the person asking about connecting a PDP-11
to the net:
There is TCPware for RSX-11M, RSX-11M+, MicroRSX, and I believe RT-11,
If you have more information about the availability of TCPware for
RT-11, I would be very interested. 
8:57 a.m.
On 2003.05.11 17:01 Pierre Gebhardt wrote:
Can the PDP-11 be connected to the internet ?
What about TCP/IP ?
???
Sure! I have a PDP-11/73 with 2.11BSD UNIX. This machine is capable of
all the standard TCP/IP servives like telnet, ftp, smtp, ntp, ...
I don't know about other PDP-11 OSes, but I wouldn't be surprised if
there is DECnet support.
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4:03 p.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
I have a MODEL -SEACD-AX-A01 infoserver 150 box containing a cd and an
hdd
The back panel looks almost like a Vaxstation, except that it has two
scsi terminators, 3 mmj plugs called 1, 2 and 3 with the two-way arrows
on them (my guess serial i/o) and a db25 instead of the db15. Above the
db25 plug is a square containing a broad arrow upward, not the usual
printer symbol found on dec eqpt. No mouse and no kbd plug there. But
otherwise, the back of the box looks similar: it has the aui and bnc
Ethernet connectors, the push-button switch between them and the s3
switch between the check lights and the db25 pin plug.
So the s3 switch looking exactly like the one on a Vaxstation 3100
series should do the same: switch from serial display/console to
terminal. And the dB25 plug is not a printer out, but functionally
similar to the db15 of the vs3100: it carries mouse/kbd and b/w analog
signals (single bnc) for a terminal display. No SPX or GPX board in
there anyways. Am I right?
Long slide for a short question:
Is there a DEC cable that fits this db25 plug and that has the mouse/kbd
plugs - analogous to the vs3100 15-pin plug?
Does anyone have the pinouts to this db25 plug?
All I need is kbd and analog out. That would allow me to fire up this
otherwise nifty combo in netbsd for vax.
Or try the new linux vs3100 kernel on a compact system that has the cd
built-in.....
Fred
5:39 p.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
On Sun, 11 May 2003, Fred deBros wrote:
I have a MODEL -SEACD-AX-A01 infoserver 150 box
containing a cd and an
hdd
The back panel looks almost like a Vaxstation, except that it has two
scsi terminators, 3 mmj plugs called 1, 2 and 3 with the two-way
arrows on them (my guess serial i/o) and a db25 instead of the db15.
Above the db25 plug is a square containing a broad arrow upward, not
the usual printer symbol found on dec eqpt. No mouse and no kbd plug
there. But otherwise, the back of the box looks similar: it has the
aui and bnc Ethernet connectors, the push-button switch between them
and the s3 switch between the check lights and the db25 pin plug.
That sounds /exactly/ like what's on the back of a MicroVAX 3100 (either
a 10, 20, 10e, or 20e). This would be a contemporary system to the
VAXstation 3100, but there aren't any graphics options for it.
So the s3 switch looking exactly like the one on a
Vaxstation 3100
series should do the same: switch from serial display/console to
terminal. And the dB25 plug is not a printer out, but functionally
similar to the db15 of the vs3100: it carries mouse/kbd and b/w analog
signals (single bnc) for a terminal display. No SPX or GPX board in
there anyways. Am I right?
Long slide for a short question: Is there a DEC cable that fits this
db25 plug and that has the mouse/kbd plugs - analogous to the vs3100
15-pin plug? Does anyone have the pinouts to this db25 plug?
If this is an early MicroVAX 3100 derived system, which I believe it is,
the DB25F connector is a standard serial port. You can connect a null
modem between it an a serial terminal (or a straight through cable for
other serial devices)
All I need is kbd and analog out. That would allow me
to fire up this
otherwise nifty combo in netbsd for vax. Or try the new linux vs3100
kernel on a compact system that has the cd built-in.....
he ports labelled 1-3 are standard DEC MMJ serial ports. Port #3 is
the one you should use for the serial console. If you want a
keyboard/display,l you'll either need a terminal or a PC and a null
modem running terminal emulation software.
Your best bet for getting an OS running on this is to run NetBSD/vax.
There's a bootable ISO cdrom image available at:
<ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/iso/1.6.1/vaxcd.iso>
-brian.
12 May
12 May
5:42 a.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
Fred deBros wrote:
I have a MODEL -SEACD-AX-A01 infoserver 150 box
containing a cd and an
hdd
The back panel looks almost like a Vaxstation, except that it has two
Should only have one SCSI connector, the other connector you see is probably
the ansync io port.
The infoservers had special ROM's in them, which may cause problems trying
to use the system as a regular VAX. I think replacement ROMS aren't too
hard to get.
scsi terminators, 3 mmj plugs called 1, 2 and 3 with
the two-way arrows
MMJ was only used for serial ports, signals should be in the RS232 range.
on them (my guess serial i/o) and a db25 instead of the
db15. Above the
db25 plug is a square containing a broad arrow upward, not the usual
printer symbol found on dec eqpt. No mouse and no kbd plug there. But
otherwise, the back of the box looks similar: it has the aui and bnc
Ethernet connectors, the push-button switch between them and the s3
switch between the check lights and the db25 pin plug.
So the s3 switch looking exactly like the one on a Vaxstation 3100
series should do the same: switch from serial display/console to
terminal. And the dB25 plug is not a printer out, but functionally
similar to the db15 of the vs3100: it carries mouse/kbd and b/w analog
signals (single bnc) for a terminal display. No SPX or GPX board in
there anyways. Am I right?
I doubt it. It is probably a standard RS232 serial port. DEC used odd
connectors for the keyboard/mouse/video connectors, so that people
couldn't plug things into the wrong port. The connectors varied with
the video cards.
They didn't use a 25 pin port for parallel printers on the VAX.
That was an IBM PC thing (use cheaper connectors to save $$'s
in manufacturing).
It sounds like this system based on a 3100-10. No built-in video support,
unless they added an optional video card. I doubt they would put a
video card in an infoserver.
Long slide for a short question:
Is there a DEC cable that fits this db25 plug and that has the mouse/kbd
plugs - analogous to the vs3100 15-pin plug?
Does anyone have the pinouts to this db25 plug?
Look at the RS-232 specs.
All I need is kbd and analog out. That would allow me
to fire up this
otherwise nifty combo in netbsd for vax.
Or try the new linux vs3100 kernel on a compact system that has the cd
built-in.....
Fred
Plug a terminal (9600 baud) into MMJ-1, and you should be able to talk
to it.
16 May
16 May
6:46 a.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
On Sun, 11 May 2003, Fred deBros wrote:
I have a MODEL -SEACD-AX-A01 infoserver 150 box
containing a cd and an
hdd
That's actually a pretty nice box. It's a storage server. It doesn't
have VAX roms, though, so it can't run VMS.
So the s3 switch looking exactly like the one on a
Vaxstation 3100
series should do the same: switch from serial display/console to
terminal. And the dB25 plug is not a printer out, but functionally
similar to the db15 of the vs3100: it carries mouse/kbd and b/w analog
signals (single bnc) for a terminal display. No SPX or GPX board in
there anyways. Am I right?
Nope. You don't hook a keyboard and mouse to this thing. It'll only
accept a terminal.
Long slide for a short question:
Is there a DEC cable that fits this db25 plug and that has the mouse/kbd
plugs - analogous to the vs3100 15-pin plug?
Does anyone have the pinouts to this db25 plug?
No. It doesn't need a keyboard, mouse, or monitor. It uses a terminal.
All I need is kbd and analog out. That would allow me
to fire up this
otherwise nifty combo in netbsd for vax. Or try the new linux vs3100
kernel on a compact system that has the cd built-in.....
It won't run NetBSD. It uses a terminal and runs software specific to the
infoserver. It can act as a storage server, serving disk to VMS machines,
and also as a MOP boot server for VAX, PMAX, and Alpha machines.
Peace... Sridhar
17 May
17 May
10:30 p.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of vance(a)neurotica.com
Sent: 12 May 2003 07:08
To: Fred deBros
Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
It won't run NetBSD. It uses a terminal and runs software specific to the
infoserver. It can act as a storage server, serving disk to VMS machines,
and also as a MOP boot server for VAX, PMAX, and Alpha machines.
This I can confirm having just tried to boot VMS 7.3 and finding it's not
very happy with that arrangement at all and just locks up :)
VAX ROMs will be required I think.
cheers
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19 May
19 May
5:33 a.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
On Fri, 16 May 2003, Witchy wrote:
Don't bother. Just get the InfoServer software and use it as "god
intended". 8-)
The device is quite useful in and of itself.
Peace... Sridhar
It won't
run NetBSD. It uses a terminal and runs software specific to
the infoserver. It can act as a storage server, serving disk to VMS
machines, and also as a MOP boot server for VAX, PMAX, and Alpha
machines.
This I can confirm having just tried to boot VMS 7.3 and finding it's
not very happy with that arrangement at all and just locks up :)
VAX ROMs will be required I think. 
9:25 a.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
--- vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2003, Witchy wrote:
Hear, hear. I'd _love_ to have one to share between my DEC 4000
and my VAXen.
-ethan
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> It won't run NetBSD. It uses a terminal
and runs software specific
> to the infoserver...
Don't bother. Just get the InfoServer software and use it as "god
intended". 8-)
The device is quite useful in and of itself.
16 May
16 May
6:49 a.m.
New subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Fred deBros
Sent: 11 May 2003 19:47
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: DEC hardware question re infoserver 150
I have a MODEL -SEACD-AX-A01 infoserver 150 box containing a cd and an
hdd
Long slide for a short question:
Is there a DEC cable that fits this db25 plug and that has the mouse/kbd
plugs - analogous to the vs3100 15-pin plug?
Does anyone have the pinouts to this db25 plug?
All I need is kbd and analog out. That would allow me to fire up this
otherwise nifty combo in netbsd for vax.
Or try the new linux vs3100 kernel on a compact system that has the cd
built-in.....
Hi Fred,
Here's my reply to the last time you posted this question on the 12th March:
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-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Fred deBros
Sent: 12 March 2003 03:04
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: DEC InfoServer ?
Specifically: Does anybody have the pinout to the db25 (not a db 15!)
plug of the infoserver 150 model SEACD - AX - A01 in the back? The
caption above the plug shows a square with an up-arrow in it. Monitor?
Combo kbd/mouse/monitor?
Fully standard RS232 for modem connections.
And the S1 switch nearby that switches regular
vs3100's between serial
and terminal console mode.
Does that mean it has a built-in framebuffer for at least b/w like all
vs3100's and can serve as a console?
Nope. Console is the left-most MMJ port on the back and is for something
like a VT420. No framebuffer in these things....
There are three mmj plugs in the back, named 1,2 and 3
with horiz arrows
to left and right: why three serial consoles? All simultaneous?
The 150's using the same hardware as a VAXstation so it gets 4 serial lines
too.
And two scsi terminators. Two scsi buses?
So where does the kbd go???
Into the VT420 :)
Otherwise the box looks just like a vs3100 to me, so
it should run
netbsd1.6. BTW for those who play with it: Ping works on a vs3100m38,
although it does not return the pkt count to console, so it looks
broken....hate dead dinosaurs! Try telnet instead and bingo!
There's definitely ROM differences since I don't recall ever getting a dead
sergeant prompt (>>>), it just auto-booted. Mind, we were using it in a
production environment so I didn't get much time to play with it....still,
it's downstairs now and I've been talking about doing a hardware comparison
for weeks now :)
cheers
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Since posting that I've added pictures to my Binary Dinosaurs museum (which
I also posted here):
http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/Museum/Digital/infoserver.htm
I've got a BC09J-03 SCSI cable still in its bag in front of me right now and
the Infoserver is behind me waiting for me to get some time to actually try
and boot a VMS 7.3 CD just to see if it will.
Watch this space :)
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11 May
11 May
1:15 p.m.
On Sun, 11 May 2003, Pierre Gebhardt wrote:
Additional question:
Can the PDP-11 be connected to the internet ?
What about TCP/IP ?
Starting in the early 1980s, a lot of the development of TCP/IP was
done using PDP-11 based systems running David Mills' Fuzzball software.
The Fuzzballs also played a very prominent roll in the NSFnet backbone.
There's also the PDP-11 based 2BSD distribution which supports TCP/IP
networking on a variety of PDP-11 models. The latest release, 2.11BSD,
supports systems as old as the PDP-11/70 model, which was first
introduced in early 1975.
I don't know if there are TCP/IP stacks available for OSes like RSX-11
or RSTS-11, which might run on some of the older PDP-11s. I do see that
there's one for RT-11, but it only supports the Q-bus DEQNA ethernet
module which would have to be used with more recent systems (late 70s
through 1980s). Were there support for the Unibus DEUNA adapter, you
could probably run it on something like an 11/45 from 1972.
There are also the original Arpanet IMPs, based on the Honeywell H516
(the systems were introduced the mid to late 1960s), but they only ran
the Arpanet precursor to TCP/IP.
-brian.
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