I'm watching Pirates of Silicon Valley on TNT right now (yes, I'm so lame I have my computer in front of the television) and Bill Gates is working on a box... the dialogue infers that it is supposed to by an Altair, but it's just a big box with four blinking lights (alternates - 2 red, 2 green) and reading paper tape.... next scene he's working on a PDP-8/? (I I think, but I'm not up on my PDPs... not so much working on it as having the machine open on his table... no soldering iron, manuals, cards... I could have made the scene a lot better with the stuff in my basement...) Oh well. Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's you isn't it? THE BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL!" "In the flesh, on the phone and in your account..." -- BOFH #3