22 Jan
2007
22 Jan
'07
12:24 a.m.
MSX machines were mainly home machines, no? I doubt
too many homies were buying 286s in 85-6. And is
MSX-dos? kinda like c/pm?
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22 Jan
22 Jan
2:26 a.m.
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Chris M wrote:
MSX machines were mainly home machines, no?
Yes
I doubt too many homies were buying 286s in 85-6.
I would agree for 83-84
And is MSX-dos? kinda like c/pm?
MSX is quite a bit like CP/M. 'Course so is MS-DOS.
I think that MSX is between CP/M and a Z80 MS-DOS.
MSX was sorta a competitor to CP/M; too late.
2:38 a.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
That depends on location, of course.
In the UK the PC "revolution" happened very late, partly because the spec of
the home-grown machines that the PC was intended to replace was so good, and
partly due to the country having been hit by several years of recession -
people just weren't interested in buying new machines when what they already
had did the job.
Back in '86 on the UK side I bet there weren't many people using IBM systems
for the kind of market the MSX was aimed at, although they were likely
starting to make inroads with big businesses - probably largely off the back
of the IBM name rather than for reasons of cost saving or real functionality.
cheers
Jules
I doubt too
many homies were buying 286s in 85-6.
I would agree for 83-84 
3:17 a.m.
On 21 Jan 2007 at 18:26, Fred Cisin wrote:
MSX is quite a bit like CP/M. 'Course so is
MS-DOS.
I think that MSX is between CP/M and a Z80 MS-DOS.
MSX was sorta a competitor to CP/M; too late.
I would imagine that even in Japan at that time, MSX received a
lukewarm reception. NEC had the lion's share of the PC market then.
TRON was more of a success, at least in the ITRON embedded area; were
there any CTRON platforms successfully marketed?
Cheers,
Chuck
11:47 p.m.
--- Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
Hmm, can't say I knew too many people buying 286
based units as early as 85-86. I would guess some
businesses, but even then they'd have to be cutting
edge. Perhaps my area of Long Island wasn't affluent
enough :(. I don't have specific memories of a 5170 or
the like sitting in Computerland in Bohemia. I do
remember when the Mac II's came out. And come to think
of it, wasn't Sears authorized to sell IBM stuff in
those days?
Someone likened the built in OS to dos 1.0. There
were actual cp/m's for these things also. I don't know
alot about it. I'll have to learn...
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I doubt too
many homies were buying 286s in 85-6.
I would agree for 83-84 And is
MSX-dos? kinda like c/pm?
MSX is quite a bit like CP/M. 'Course so is MS-DOS.
I think that MSX is between CP/M and a Z80 MS-DOS.
MSX was sorta a competitor to CP/M; too late.
23 Jan
23 Jan
12:49 a.m.
> > I doubt too many homies were buying 286s in
85-6.
> I would agree for 83-84
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Chris M wrote:
Hmm, can't say I knew too many people buying 286
based units as early as 85-86. I would guess some
businesses, but even then they'd have to be cutting
edge. Perhaps my area of Long Island wasn't affluent
enough :(. I don't have specific memories of a 5170 or
the like sitting in Computerland in Bohemia. I do
remember when the Mac II's came out. And come to think
of it, wasn't Sears authorized to sell IBM stuff in
those days?
IBM retail computer stores,
Computerland,
Businessland?
The AT started in 1984. Some areas (both geographic, and social)
immediately went for it, and some put it off as long as they could, since
the IBM/MICROS~1 software didn't provide any real incentive to upgrade
other than high density drives and a little faster;
until Windoze 3.1 and OS/2.
'course, soon after that, intel made the 80386, and Bill Gates called the
80286 "brain dead".
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
1:08 a.m.
--- Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
The AT started in 1984. Some areas (both
geographic, and social)
immediately went for it, and some put it off as long
as they could, since
the IBM/MICROS~1 software didn't provide any real
incentive to upgrade
other than high density drives and a little faster;
until Windoze 3.1 and OS/2.
I think price had a lot to do with it also. For most
people (the ones I knew anyway) it was out of their
league. Still, being compared to the IBM PC/AT was a
selling point in my selecting the Tandy 2000, but it
was primarily due to it's enhanced graphics. I did
eventually buy a real compatible, but it was somewhat
dated by the time I got it in '89, and in fact was a
surlpus item from some vendor in Ohio, an ITT Xtra XP.
Not a true "AT", but rather a hybrid that was 8-bit in
every other respect save for the uP.
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22 Jan
22 Jan
8:54 a.m.
MSX machines were mainly home machines, no? I doubt
too many homies were buying 286s in 85-6. And is
MSX-dos? kinda like c/pm?
More or less. In Brazil the MSX line was launched in times of "market
reserve" - we couldn't import computers, the only avaiable computers were
made in Brazil. Of course you could buy a VERY EXPENSIVE Pc-XT-Clone or
something out of a gray market. But since it was so expensive, MSX were used
to all things you can think of: Process control, industrial machines,
databases, you name it! It could be used with ROM cartridges, so it was
fairly easy to create a program, burn a PROM, make a cart out of it and seal
the entire msx into the machine, it would work for years with very less
trouble than a PC, since it has a very low part count and was fairly
reliable.
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