Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]
14 Sep
2016
14 Sep
'16
4:28 p.m.
From: Dale H. Cook
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:52 AM
Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The
subject line of
this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS
7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subject line the header
information concerning the subject is unchanged, and that is what the
list archives and some email clients go by. There are now three threads
concerning different subjects archived as one thread at classiccmp.org.
If you want to change a subject please start a new thread, and if you
wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was
Old Subject)" to reflect its origin.
Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to
change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
characters "was: " prepended. Any decent newsreader or threading mail
reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken. What was
broken in the messages about which you complain is the substitution of
parentheses () for brackets [].
See the subject line on this message for an example.
Rich
Rich Alderson
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14 Sep
14 Sep
4:52 p.m.
Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years
or so has been to
change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
characters "was: " prepended.
Not the standard, but a convention.
The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to
RFC822). This isn't anything new. In the Usenet world, nn and trn made
agressive use of these headers to thread discussion chains. Any good MUA
will use them as well. Note that in the email world, 'popular' and 'good'
are mostly disjoint sets :-(
--lyndon
9:21 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon at orthanc.ca> wrote:
Not the standard, but a convention.
The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to
RFC822).
I think you may mean RFC 5322 section 3.6.5, which does give a "MAY"
suggestion for the use of "Re: " at the start of the contents of the
subject field, but I'm unable to find any mention of the square
bracket or "was" convention for subject line changes within a thread
anywhere in RFC 5322, RFC 822, or even RFC 733. Aside from the "Re: "
convention, all three RFCs describe the Subject field as unstructured
text, subject to the line folding rules (defined in RFC 5322 section
2.2.3 "Long Header Fields").
7:21 p.m.
New subject: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Rich Alderson wrote:
Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years
or so has been to
change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the
characters "was: " prepended. Any decent newsreader or threading mail
reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken. What was
broken in the messages about which you complain is the substitution of
parentheses () for brackets [].
I have been using parentheses. I was unaware that square brackets was the
preferred form. I will try to remember to comply.
I have also always used the opening parenthesis, and left off the closing
one, since the history of the world drags on forever, and hopefully,
eventually the trailing end of that will get truncated before it becomes
too many extraneous lines.
--
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10:35 p.m.
New subject: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production] [Posting with brackets]
On 9/14/2016 7:21 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
I have been using parentheses. I was unaware that square brackets was
the preferred form.
I also used brackets, and Balanced Fred's. I didn't see any change in
how the threading worked with one bracket, maybe two sets will confuse
it too. I've never heard of brackets in any client or server, but
willing to try.
15 Sep
15 Sep
5:33 a.m.
On 15 September 2016 at 01:28, Rich Alderson
<RichA at livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote:
Any decent newsreader or threading mail
reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken.
Would that this were true.
Of course, many would say that Gmail is not a decent MUA; however,
it's the best for my needs these days. Every subject edit creates a
new thread in it, and it's very confusing.
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6:46 a.m.
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Rich Alderson wrote:
*grabs popcorn*
g.
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If you want to
change a subject please start a new thread, and if you
wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was
Old Subject)" to reflect its origin.
Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to
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