14 Aug
2001
14 Aug
'01
8:27 a.m.
>One important note is that this is NOT a
"first come, first served" sale.
>In order to have some fairness to the international and digest members of
>the list, if I get more people interested in an item than I have on hand,
I
>will throw names into a hat and pick randomly.
Have one of our distinguished assembly programmers write you a program to
randomly pick names. <grin>
Actually, isn't there some Apple II BASIC program running about that was
recently used to pick some obscure contest winner?? :-) :-)
Perhaps I could use that?? <heh heh heh ...>
14 Aug
14 Aug
9:03 a.m.
LOL
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Rich Beaudry wrote:
>One
important note is that this is NOT a "first come, first served" sale.
>In order to have some fairness to the international and digest members of
>the list, if I get more people interested in an item than I have on hand,
I
>will throw names into a hat and pick randomly.
Have one of our distinguished assembly programmers write you a program to
randomly pick names. <grin>
Actually, isn't there some Apple II BASIC program running about that was
recently used to pick some obscure contest winner?? :-) :-)
Perhaps I could use that?? <heh heh heh ...>
9:08 a.m.
>One important note is that this is NOT a
"first come, first served" sale.
>In order to have some fairness to the international and digest members of
>the list, if I get more people interested in an item than I have on hand,
I
>will throw names into a hat and pick randomly.
Have one of our distinguished assembly programmers write you a program to
randomly pick names. <grin>
Actually, isn't there some Apple II BASIC program running about that was
recently used to pick some obscure contest winner?? :-) :-)
Perhaps I could use that?? <heh heh heh ...>
Oh.. And it has been tested in the field... ;)
Bryan
10:19 a.m.
New subject: Was: Commodore Stuff For Sale
And recently made!! :-D New software for a classic
system!! And with a
wicked cool random name picker!!! It doesn't get *any* better then this!!
We recently had a lottery where the particpants punched their name and a
number onto punched cards. The winner was selected with the help of old
IBM 082 sorter.
Modern equipment - who needs it ... ;-)
No I'm NOT using the punched card equipment for email!
-- HBP
10:50 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody out
there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
it?
11:31 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I use 'mail' now and then, but most of the time either PINE or Elm.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody out
there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
it?
noon
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I use 'mutt'. It is the master of all mailers.
Master of all that Sucks said:
I use 'mail' now and then, but most of the time either PINE or Elm.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
> Who reads their email the most Classically?
>
> I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody out
> there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
> it?
>
>
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
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7:42 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Pine here. =P!
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
12:09 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Re:
> Who reads their email the most Classically?
or complicatedly?
elm ... running in an hpterm window under CDE on HP-UX,
presented via Reflection X on a PC running Win98.
Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler
11:49 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
It was thus said that the Great Mike Ford once stated:
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody out
there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
it?
I still use elm [1] although I get some flack for it [2]. I've been using
elm since 1989 and have no real plans on changing [3].
-spc (Likes that it uses the vi movement keys ... )
[1] Pine stands for ``Pine Is Not Elm.'' I sill don't like the way pine
works which is why I don't use it. That, and MIME is eeeeeevil and
I refuse to support it 8-)
[2] From my pine and mutt using friends.
[3] Although since elm is no longer supported, and some spam I've
received has caused it to crash (probably hitting some internal
header line limit no less) I'm thinking (still thinking) of
trying out mutt.
12:23 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
[3] Although since elm is no longer supported, and
some spam I've
received has caused it to crash (probably hitting some internal
header line limit no less) I'm thinking (still thinking) of
trying out mutt.
There still are groups supporting elm. I use Elm 2.4ME+ PL67 (Jan, 2000),
but will likely switch over to Elm 2.4ME+ PL92 (May, 2001) in the near
term future.
Elm 2.5 was different enough to be annoying to use. PGP support in 2.4ME+
is better anyway.
Eric
5:18 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Elm 2.5 was different enough to be annoying to use.
PGP support in 2.4ME+
is better anyway.
Yes, I strongly prefer ME to 2.5.
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12:59 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Re:
[3] Although since elm is no longer supported, and
some spam I've
received has caused it to crash (probably hitting some internal
header line limit no less) I'm thinking (still thinking) of
trying out mutt.
I had the same problem with one spam message. I got around it
by running elm with "-d 1" (for "debug"). (I didn't see any
debug
output, and I didn't do anything else special. I then deleted the
offending message.)
Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler
8:02 p.m.
New subject: 874256098
This weekend we rescued at DEC PDP-11/70, ex Nashua Telegraph.
A large, and very difficult system to move. Among the interesting bits
that followed it home:
a PDT-11
2 Vt-52`s
a VT-62 (What`s a VT-62?
PDP-8a
LSI-11 system?
PDP-8 partially stripped, but with paper tape reader.
Rainbow
Vaxmate - parts.
8:33 p.m.
New subject: 874256098
Oooh. Nice find. The first DEC system I ever saw. My father had one in
the house he used to do FORTRAN on when I was about 3. What I first
learned how to hack on. He still has it in original condition.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
This weekend we rescued at DEC PDP-11/70, ex Nashua Telegraph.
A large, and very difficult system to move. Among the interesting bits
that followed it home:
a PDT-11
2 Vt-52`s
a VT-62 (What`s a VT-62?
PDP-8a
LSI-11 system?
PDP-8 partially stripped, but with paper tape reader.
Rainbow
Vaxmate - parts.
15 Aug
15 Aug
3:33 a.m.
New subject: 874256098
This system has, or had, 2 RL02`s, an RX01, 2 RM03`s and TE18? It was a
buried in a basement and rather frazzled looking. I`m not sure whether
it`s missing some side skins or not.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Master of all that Sucks wrote:
Oooh. Nice find. The first DEC system I ever saw. My father had one in
the house he used to do FORTRAN on when I was about 3. What I first
learned how to hack on. He still has it in original condition.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
This weekend we rescued at DEC PDP-11/70, ex Nashua Telegraph.
A large, and very difficult system to move. Among the interesting bits
that followed it home:
a PDT-11
2 Vt-52`s
a VT-62 (What`s a VT-62?
PDP-8a
LSI-11 system?
PDP-8 partially stripped, but with paper tape reader.
Rainbow
Vaxmate - parts.
15 Aug
15 Aug
3:36 a.m.
New subject: 874256098
Apparently it was about 3 days from being scrapped.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
This weekend we rescued at DEC PDP-11/70
Congratulations! Oh wait; one less for me to snatch. Grrr!
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
14 Aug
14 Aug
10:51 p.m.
New subject: 874256098
This weekend we rescued at DEC PDP-11/70, ex Nashua
Telegraph.
A large, and very difficult system to move. Among the interesting bits
that followed it home:
a PDT-11
2 Vt-52`s
a VT-62 (What`s a VT-62?
PDP-8a
LSI-11 system?
PDP-8 partially stripped, but with paper tape reader.
Rainbow
Vaxmate - parts.
Was that the 11/70 from USENET that had to be gone by today? Looks like a
nice haul.
Zane
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| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
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15 Aug
15 Aug
3:39 a.m.
New subject: 874256098
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Was that the 11/70 from USENET that had to be gone by
today? Looks like a
nice haul.
Yes, I believe it was. It had been listed on e-Bay but got no interest
too, I believe
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
3:35 a.m.
New subject: 874256098
This weekend we rescued at DEC PDP-11/70, ex Nashua Telegraph.
Nice.
A large, and very difficult system to move. Among the interesting bits
that followed it home:
a PDT-11
Which model 11/110 11/130 11/150 (my favorite)
2 Vt-52`s
Love that buzzer they use for the
bell.
a VT-62 (What`s a VT-62?
An advanced VT52 compatible terminal with multidrop DDCMP support so you
could use them like smart block mode terminals with them being queried
for info by address.
I believe they also had reverse video support which may have been
missing in the VT52.
PDP-8a
Cool.
LSI-11 system?
Still a great thing to play
with.
PDP-8 partially stripped, but with paper tape reader.
The tape reader's a great find.
What model 8 8/E?
Rainbow
One hell of a CP/M box.
Vaxmate - parts.
Not the greatest box but a
slick package.
Bill
--
Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a
villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org
14 Aug
14 Aug
12:40 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I use elm under QNX 4
Cheers,
Bryan Pope
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody out
there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
it?
12:43 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Hi,
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody out
there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
it?
MAILERWARS!
I use pine myself - nothing special really :&)
I use mail occasionally too
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1:45 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Hmmm
cat /var/spool/mail/geneb | more (followed by)
telnet smtp.somehost.org 25.....
g.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Matt London wrote:
Hi,
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody out
there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
it?
MAILERWARS!
I use pine myself - nothing special really :&)
I use mail occasionally too
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3:37 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Hello All,
My university used pine until about a year ago when they switched
to mulberry a graphical bloat-wear email program. It takes 20 times
longer to load, but its got grpahics and it likes to crash a hell of a
lot. All hail the bloat-wear nazis and their inefficiency at making our
lives easier.
Luke
15 Aug
15 Aug
4:40 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Ugh, no kidding. My university's student paper recently (meaning, before I
graduated) complained that the online registration process was too slow and
difficult to use, and resulted in registration errors. Their suggested
solution? Switch to a web-based registration system. Sure, that will speed
up our horribly bogged-down and underpowered Suns -- make them serve HTML
and run CGI Perl scripts.
Likewise, a flashy Web mail gateway was just set up for use. Luckily, they
still kept Pine on the servers for those of us who prefer power over
prettiness.
GSL, who is still wondering when they'll actually get around to cancelling
his student account
P.S. I'm afraid my current mailreader is OE under Win98, due to my work
environment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "LUCAS J CASHDOLLAR" <ljcst18+(a)pitt.edu>
To: "Gene Buckle" <geneb(a)deltasoft.com>
Cc: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Hello All,
My university used pine until about a year ago when they switched
to mulberry a graphical bloat-wear email program. It takes 20 times
longer to load, but its got grpahics and it likes to crash a hell of a
lot. All hail the bloat-wear nazis and their inefficiency at making our
lives easier.
Luke
4:18 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Greg Lindsey skrev:
Ugh, no kidding. My university's student paper
recently (meaning, before I
graduated) complained that the online registration process was too slow and
difficult to use, and resulted in registration errors. Their suggested
solution? Switch to a web-based registration system. Sure, that will speed
up our horribly bogged-down and underpowered Suns -- make them serve HTML
and run CGI Perl scripts.
Likewise, a flashy Web mail gateway was just set up for
use. Luckily, they
still kept Pine on the servers for those of us who prefer power over
prettiness.
I really hate this M$-ish webification.
In the town where my grandparents live, the library was recently moved into a
new, pretty building, and of course, they had to "modernise" the IT system as
well. They replaced the old network of text terminals with sophisticated and
powerful flat screens with Pentium PCs hidden in their feet. Those must have
been cheap.
All right, so now they're running a terminal program on these fancy PC
screens, right? Not a chance! The consultants, who must have been subjected to
a mongoose gonad transplant into the void where brains usually go, decided to
run Citrix Winframe, which is a remote hack for Windows, working like a cross
between X11 and VNC, at only 256 colours, and then running Netscape or Opera
on the NT server (running Netscape or Opera in full colour on the local
terminal would make more sense, but then they wouldn't have their consultant
"fun"), with its homepage set to a WWW gateway to the old database on the
library's intranet.
Absolutely brilliant!
The old text terminals were there for one purpose, namely that of searching
the library book register, and they served their purpose without ever failing.
Their interface was also absolutely straight-forward, using only a very
limited number of keys. These new Windows PCs are not only more involved,
they're also infinitely slower. Compare the efficience of pressing F6 to get
the search screen, typing in a keyword, pressing return and then getting the
list with F7 to that of using the mouse to activate the input field, typing
the keyword, activating the search button with the mouse, getting the list,
and then having to use the mouse to select titles. The mouse is not only
slower, it's also more vulnerable and difficult for people not used to
computers. The entire GUI methodology is totally superfluous in as limited an
application as this. Every clickable gadget, every scroll bar on the screen is
just an opportunity for the inexperienced user to fail doing what he/she
wants, namely that of searching for book titles.
And HTTP, combined with HTML pages and fancy graphics, travelling over a
network to another host which renders the HTML and then transfers its screen
to yet another host is infinitely slower than text over a 9k6 serial line with
a direct connection to the database host.
And then there's security. These PCs are more or less wide-open. Any Quake-
playing fourteen-year-old is able to crack these PCs wide open. I do it every
time I visit to show my disgust. The terminals were impermeable. I knew how to
lock them up, but all you had to do in order to remedy that was to power-cycle
them, which took only a few seconds before they were back up. Your average
teenager will not be able to do any harm on them. And they had no loose or
moving parts. Bad boys love stealing mouse balls.
So far I've not been able to find any good point about the new system. They're
expensive, both at purchase and in maintenance, they're wide open for attacks,
they're slower and more difficult for the end user to handle.
I'm getting so disgusted, thinking of it, I'll have to find those responsible
the next time I visit.
How I love progress, especially the MCSE tech definition.
--
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Allt ?r under kontroll, och caps lock ?r bredvid.
16 Aug
16 Aug
5:15 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
At 02:18 AM 8/16/01 +0100, Iggy Drougge wrote:
I really hate this M$-ish webification.
In the town where my grandparents live, the library was recently moved into a
new, pretty building, and of course, they had to "modernise" the IT system as
well. They replaced the old network of text terminals with sophisticated and
powerful flat screens with Pentium PCs hidden in their feet. Those must have
been cheap.
Oh yeah? When I walk into a new library, my first reflex is
still to look for the card catalog. :-)
- John
6:18 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
At 02:18 AM 8/16/01 +0100, Iggy Drougge wrote:
>I really hate this M$-ish webification.
>In the town where my grandparents live, the library was recently moved
into a
>new, pretty building, and of course, they had to
"modernise" the IT
system as
>well. They replaced the old network of text
terminals with sophisticated
and
>powerful flat screens with Pentium PCs hidden in
their feet. Those must
have
been cheap.
Oh yeah? When I walk into a new library, my first reflex is
still to look for the card catalog. :-)
10:13 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
John Foust skrev:
Oh yeah? When I walk into a new library, my first
reflex is
still to look for the card catalog. :-)
I can always impress (well...) youngsters by pointing out that I actually
remember when there were only card registers and microfiche readers at the
library. =)
But frankly, I'm glad that card catalogues are no more. The terminals were an
improvement, the PCs are not.
--
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"Real life is full of idiots, and tons of ads. I don't see how IRC is any
different, other than a lot more people want to have sex with you."
-- m3000
17 Aug
17 Aug
4:35 a.m.
New subject: _before_ (kind of) IRC - was classic email...
"Real life is full of idiots, and tons of ads. I don't see how IRC is any
different, other than a lot more people want to have sex with you."
-- m3000
I remember when you could chat online (in my case, Compuserve) with
intelligent people... Umm.. And you only got 20 hours a month. :(
Bryan
5:55 a.m.
New subject: _before_ (kind of) IRC - was classic email...
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Bryan Pope wrote:
I remember when you could chat online (in my case,
Compuserve) with
intelligent people... Umm.. And you only got 20 hours a month. :(
It doesn't seem all that long ago that IRC was like that. Of course,
can it not be said that IRC and other forms of on-line chat are, to be
honest, a waste of time, and that mailing lists allow a group to
exchange more information in a more efficient manner? That is, people
can take their time composing messages and adding more relevant
info. to them, then one has to do is quickly scan over the e-mail
containing that info., so, information that may have taken an hour of
one's time to obtain via IRC can be obtained in a matter of minutes
via a mailing list. Ok, not "real time," but if one waits a while and
then reads one's e-mail.
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6:04 a.m.
New subject: _before_ (kind of) IRC - was classic email...
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Bryan Pope wrote:
I can see your point in using mailing lists to get information... For me
chatting online was more to meet people online, talk and hang out.
Bryan
I remember when you could chat online (in my
case, Compuserve) with
intelligent people... Umm.. And you only got 20 hours a month. :(
It doesn't seem all that long ago that IRC was like that. Of course,
can it not be said that IRC and other forms of on-line chat are, to be
honest, a waste of time, and that mailing lists allow a group to
exchange more information in a more efficient manner? That is, people
can take their time composing messages and adding more relevant
info. to them, then one has to do is quickly scan over the e-mail
containing that info., so, information that may have taken an hour of
one's time to obtain via IRC can be obtained in a matter of minutes
via a mailing list. Ok, not "real time," but if one waits a while and
then reads one's e-mail.
6:03 a.m.
New subject: _before_ (kind of) IRC - was classic email...
I remember when you could chat online (in my case,
Compuserve) with
intelligent people... Umm.. And you only got 20 hours a month.
I remember TALK and CONFER on UGA's CDC 6600 that kept a loose cadre of
hackers and students chatting around the state circa '81. Heh... my
adolescent cybersex days. ;)
;)
- Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
8:26 a.m.
New subject: _before_ (kind of) IRC - was classic email...
On 17-Aug-2001 Bryan Pope wrote:
There are still intelligent people on IRC and other chat systems. It's
just very hard to find them. I gave up on IRC for many years, until I
discovered #perl on EFnet (which has since moved to Magnet). I learned a
lot about perl there, met some very cool folks. We have that ellusive
"community" that the 'net was supposed to give us.
But I agree that most of IRC is painful.
-Philip
"Real life is full of idiots, and tons of ads. I don't see how IRC is
any different, other than a lot more people want to have sex with
you."
-- m3000
I remember when you could chat online (in my case, Compuserve) with
intelligent people... Umm.. And you only got 20 hours a month. :(
9:10 a.m.
New subject: _before_ (kind of) IRC - was classic email...
Hi,
There are still intelligent people on IRC and other chat systems. It's
just very hard to find them. I gave up on IRC for many years, until I
discovered #perl on EFnet (which has since moved to Magnet). I learned a
lot about perl there, met some very cool folks. We have that ellusive
"community" that the 'net was supposed to give us.
But I agree that most of IRC is painful.
IRC's not so bad :&) I spent far too much time on IRC myself...
...openprojects.net for one - frienly constructive place :&)
-- Matt
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don't see how IRC is
any different, other than a lot more people want to have sex with
you."
-- m3000
I remember when you could chat online (in my case, Compuserve) with
intelligent people... Umm.. And you only got 20 hours a month. :( 
18 Aug
18 Aug
5:38 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
At 10:43 PM 8/14/01 +0100, you wrote:
MAILERWARS!
I use pine myself - nothing special really :&)
I use mail occasionally too
Eudora at home, mozilla at work, although sometimes I will use
mailx (especially w. pipes) or pine. I prefer Eudora. I use
mozilla out of necessity.
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
8:31 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Eudora at home, mozilla at work, although sometimes I
will use
mailx (especially w. pipes) or pine. I prefer Eudora. I use
mozilla out of necessity.
I know there are older mail readers out there than Eudora,
but I've been a big fan of it on both PC and Mac platforms for years.
Other than when I was running YAM on Amiga's, Eudora has always been
my email program at home. I also like mail.app on both NeXTstep and
Mac OSX and tend to run it when I don't need to access the
Outlook-specific stuff on our Exchange server at work. I wish I
could do away with Outlook altogether!
Jeff
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14 Aug
2:17 p.m.
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody
out there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain,
who is it?
I'm reading mine on a CARDIAC. You should see my IP-to-Paper gateway!
:)
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4:19 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Who reads
their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac, but somebody
out there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain,
who is it?
I'm reading mine on a CARDIAC. You should see my IP-to-Paper gateway! 
5:04 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
I'm reading mine on a CARDIAC. You should see my
IP-to-Paper gateway!
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.10108141616400.10690-100000(a)siconic.com>
^^^^
Does this mean that you've succeeded in porting PINE to run on CARDIAC?
THAT would be worthy of an exhibit at VCF!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
5:50 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Indeed. I would pay double just to see someone pulling their hair out
trying to run that at any speed 8-)
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
I'm reading mine on a CARDIAC. You should
see my IP-to-Paper gateway!
Message-ID:
<Pine.LNX.4.10.10108141616400.10690-100000(a)siconic.com>
^^^^
Does this mean that you've succeeded in porting PINE to run on CARDIAC?
THAT would be worthy of an exhibit at VCF!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
7:56 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Funny... I haven't seen very many people announcing their use of
Micro$oft Virus Transfer Utility Express
I guess the magic eight-ball was right when it told me
"Outlook not so good"
Sorry for the recycled jokes.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
9:44 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.08 for Win9x. Not very Classic, but
it seems to work well enough, and it is running on a 486 class 133mhz
computer :-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
10:47 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Sharp
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 21:57
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Funny... I haven't seen very many people announcing their use of
Micro$oft Virus Transfer Utility Express
I guess the magic eight-ball was right when it told me
"Outlook not so good"
Sorry for the recycled jokes.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
Well, I would have spoken up, but I have no delusions of Outlook being
"classic" in any way, shape, or form. I do use Pine (sometimes Mail even)
all day long at work, then download everything into Outlook in the evenings.
-Rob
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15 Aug
4:51 a.m.
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Master of all that Sucks skrev:
Sridhar, REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Indeed. I would pay double just to see someone pulling
their hair out
trying to run that at any speed 8-)
I'd also like to see the the serial interface. How do you hook a terminal to a
cardboard computer?
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1:49 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I do that sometimes. Sometimes it's less efficient.
Peace... Sridhar
On 15 Aug 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
Master of all that Sucks skrev:
Sridhar, REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Indeed. I would pay double just to see someone
pulling their hair out
trying to run that at any speed 8-)
I'd also like to see the the serial interface. How do you hook a terminal to a
cardboard computer?
--
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Netiquette: it's not just a good idea, there's actually an RFC about it!
For the full details, check out <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html>.
3:50 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME AT THE TOP.
At 02:51 PM 8/15/01 +0100, you wrote:
Master of all that Sucks skrev:
Sridhar, REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Indeed. I would pay double just to see someone
pulling their hair out
trying to run that at any speed 8-)
I'd also like to see the the serial interface. How do you hook a terminal to a
cardboard computer?
--
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Netiquette: it's not just a good idea, there's actually an RFC about it!
For the full details, check out <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html>.
4:09 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
>Sridhar, REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME AT
THE TOP.
I thought it was more or less a de facto standard to top-quote.
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6 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
That's what's so great about standards; everybody can have a unique one of
their own.
- George Morrow
>Sridhar,
REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME
AT THE TOP.
I thought it was more or less a de facto standard to top-quote. 
16 Aug
16 Aug
3:59 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 06:09:51PM -0700, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
It depends. If one is blindly copying the entire previous message (or
worse, entire message thread), it is better to put all that garbage at
the bottom of the new message so the reader can easily ignore such
chaff. (Can you tell I have a bias?)
I am of the school of thought that figures the only reason for quoting
previous content is to provide context so the new message will make
sense. Following this reasoning, the context should be established
first. HOWEVER, it is very important to trim the quote so that it
only provides enough context and doesn't go overboard and turn into
spam. Ever seen the TV program "The West Wing"? They start most
programs with a short "previously on The West Wing..."-bit. It comes
first (so the following program will make sense) and it is shorter
than the new program (even though it covers more territory--the idea
is that it be the new stuff that is important).
It is also important to make clear what is what. I have seen messages
where the new material is apparently marked off with quoting
characters. I don't know how that happens.
Remember, the goal is to communicate--and to be clear even.
-kb, the normally liberal Kent who was nevertheless ~rather~ fond of
that fascist feature in "rn" that refused to make a usenet posting
that had more quoted material than new material.
>Sridhar,
REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME
AT THE TOP.
I thought it was more or less a de facto standard to top-quote. 
4:30 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I read my mail by cat'ing the mail spool file to a line printer. Is that
classical enough?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Borg" <kentborg(a)borg.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 06:09:51PM -0700, Cameron
Kaiser wrote:
It depends. If one is blindly copying the entire previous message (or
worse, entire message thread), it is better to put all that garbage at
the bottom of the new message so the reader can easily ignore such
chaff. (Can you tell I have a bias?)
I am of the school of thought that figures the only reason for quoting
previous content is to provide context so the new message will make
sense. Following this reasoning, the context should be established
first. HOWEVER, it is very important to trim the quote so that it
only provides enough context and doesn't go overboard and turn into
spam. Ever seen the TV program "The West Wing"? They start most
programs with a short "previously on The West Wing..."-bit. It comes
first (so the following program will make sense) and it is shorter
than the new program (even though it covers more territory--the idea
is that it be the new stuff that is important).
It is also important to make clear what is what. I have seen messages
where the new material is apparently marked off with quoting
characters. I don't know how that happens.
Remember, the goal is to communicate--and to be clear even.
-kb, the normally liberal Kent who was nevertheless ~rather~ fond of
that fascist feature in "rn" that refused to make a usenet posting
that had more quoted material than new material.
>Sridhar, REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME
AT THE TOP.
I thought it was more or less a de facto standard to top-quote. 
4:52 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I suppose I could route my email to my plotter and have it scrawl the stuff with
a pencil point ... but why?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason McBrien" <jbmcb(a)hotmail.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Who reads their email the most Classically?
I read my mail by cat'ing the mail spool file to a
line printer. Is that
classical enough?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Borg" <kentborg(a)borg.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 06:09:51PM -0700, Cameron
Kaiser wrote:
It depends. If one is blindly copying the entire previous message (or
worse, entire message thread), it is better to put all that garbage at
the bottom of the new message so the reader can easily ignore such
chaff. (Can you tell I have a bias?)
I am of the school of thought that figures the only reason for quoting
previous content is to provide context so the new message will make
sense. Following this reasoning, the context should be established
first. HOWEVER, it is very important to trim the quote so that it
only provides enough context and doesn't go overboard and turn into
spam. Ever seen the TV program "The West Wing"? They start most
programs with a short "previously on The West Wing..."-bit. It comes
first (so the following program will make sense) and it is shorter
than the new program (even though it covers more territory--the idea
is that it be the new stuff that is important).
It is also important to make clear what is what. I have seen messages
where the new material is apparently marked off with quoting
characters. I don't know how that happens.
Remember, the goal is to communicate--and to be clear even.
-kb, the normally liberal Kent who was nevertheless ~rather~ fond of
that fascist feature in "rn" that refused to make a usenet posting
that had more quoted material than new material.
>Sridhar, REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME
AT THE TOP.
I thought it was more or less a de facto standard to top-quote.
6:12 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Jason McBrien wrote:
I read my mail by cat'ing the mail spool file to a
line printer. Is that
classical enough?
I would call that fairly sick (only slightly more so than reading the
mailspool directly with "more").
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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8:17 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Is anyone running any internet connected lynx servers with dialup
capability??? I've wanted to do this myself as many older Atari 8-bit
groups would like access for email and newsgroup reading to stay connected
with the online Atari communities.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Jason McBrien wrote:
Festival
I read my mail by cat'ing the mail spool file
to a line printer. Is that
classical enough?
I would call that fairly sick (only slightly more so than reading the
mailspool directly with "more").
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
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9:24 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Curt Vendel skrev:
Is anyone running any internet connected lynx servers
with dialup
capability??? I've wanted to do this myself as many older Atari 8-bit
groups would like access for email and newsgroup reading to stay connected
with the online Atari communities.
If your ISP doesn't offer that, ditch it!
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- det ?r det enda reciproka pronomen vi har.
5:22 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
What Iggy was getting his britches in a knot over was when I use inline
quotes to respond to specific statements.
Peace... Sridhar
>Sridhar,
REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME
AT THE TOP.
I thought it was more or less a de facto standard to top-quote.
7:22 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
What Iggy was getting his britches in a knot over was when I use inline
quotes to respond to specific statements.
Which is the standard way of replying. Replying with the entire
message after the response is the "Micro$oft standard", which
almost always means deviating from the norm.
Replying inline with editing to remove unnecessary information
is the best way, as it is easier to follow exactly to what the
person is replying.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
School Zones: Man's attempt to thwart natural selection.
>Sridhar, REPLY BELOW THE MESSAGES YOU QUOTE.
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME
AT THE TOP.
I thought it was more or less a de facto standard to top-quote.
15 Aug
15 Aug
5:23 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Chuck McManis skrev:
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME AT THE
TOP.
Chuck, GO TO HELL!
Or, to put it in a more civil way, YOUR PREFERENCES ARE IRRELEVANT!
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8:04 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On 16 Aug 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
Chuck, GO TO HELL!
Or, to put it in a more civil way, YOUR PREFERENCES ARE IRRELEVANT!
I find that statement rather hilarious, considering that you started this
shouting match by so vehemently professing your own preferences.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
17 Aug
17 Aug
4:08 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Hear hear!
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
On 16 Aug 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
Chuck, GO TO HELL!
Or, to put it in a more civil way, YOUR PREFERENCES ARE IRRELEVANT!
I find that statement rather hilarious, considering that you started this
shouting match by so vehemently professing your own preferences.
5:26 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Jeffrey S. Sharp skrev:
On 16 Aug 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
>
> Chuck, GO TO HELL!
> Or, to put it in a more civil way, YOUR PREFERENCES ARE IRRELEVANT!
I find that statement rather hilarious, considering
that you started this
shouting match by so vehemently professing your own preferences.
It's not that it happens to coincide with my preferences, it's the simple fact
that people need to use one style of quoting/replying or everything will be
plain chaos.
--
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4 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Iggy Drougge wrote:
It's not that it happens to coincide with my preferences, it's the simple fact
that people need to use one style of quoting/replying or everything will be
plain chaos.
Your statement is also called "Form over Substance". "Chaos" is a
frame of
mind, and the simple fact is that using one style over another will not
result in more OR less chaos.
6:17 p.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Marvin skrev:
Iggy Drougge wrote:
>
> It's not that it happens to coincide with my preferences, it's the simple
> fact that people need to use one style of quoting/replying or everything
> will be plain chaos.
Your statement is also called "Form over
Substance". "Chaos" is a frame of
mind, and the simple fact is that using one style over another will not
result in more OR less chaos.
Sometimes being philosophical isn't everything. Quoting is one such thing.
People have already established a pattern for us to follow, and I doubt that
it was chosen without reason.
1
2
3
The above example is order.
3
1
2
Even a child will tell you that this is disorder, or chaos with another word.
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21 Aug
21 Aug
4:52 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 06:00:32PM -0700, Marvin wrote:
Your statement is also called "Form over
Substance". "Chaos" is a frame of
mind, and the simple fact is that using one style over another will not
result in more OR less chaos.
Posting a message that is clear, well composed, well written, and easy
to understand is what will result in less chaos. Blindly following
any particular rules will not assure a good posting. Be clear--and
that includes being clear in how you do any quoting.
-kb, the Kent who nominates for an almost "blind rule" the following:
Trim Quoted Material to the Minimum Necessary to Establish Sufficient
Context.
7:13 a.m.
New subject: new find...
After over 10 years of trying to find a way of getting one,
I've finally gotten a NeXT Cube! It's one of the original model
N1000 cube's that has been upgraded to dual '040 boards and an
internal floppy drive. It still retains the MO drive though, which
actually seems to work fine. It has 16MB of RAM on both CPU boards
and has NeXTstep 3.2 loaded on an internal Quantum 327MB hard disk.
My only complaint is that the monitor is dim to the point of almost
being unusable. For those curious, it does show 'NeXT Computer' on
the rear panel vice 'NeXT Cube'.
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8 a.m.
New subject: new find...
How funny. I picked up a NeXT '040 cube with Dimension board Sunday.
It also was a N1000, upgraded to a 25mhz '040, a working OD, a
nonfunctional HD, 64mb on the mb and 64mb on the Dimension. The N4000a
monitor is crisp and bright. I'm talking with Rob of Black Hole about a
Hitachi 21" for the Dimension side. The only thing I need is a
monochtrome monitor cable.
The non-functioning hard drive is not a problem. I have a couple of
copies of NS3.3 Dev, a junk box full of 2-4gb SCSI drives and I can set
up a new boot drive from my Turbo Color slab.
James
http://home.texoma.net/~jrice
Jeff Hellige wrote:
After over 10 years of trying to find a way of getting one,
I've finally gotten a NeXT Cube! It's one of the original model
N1000 cube's that has been upgraded to dual '040 boards and an
internal floppy drive. It still retains the MO drive though, which
actually seems to work fine. It has 16MB of RAM on both CPU boards
and has NeXTstep 3.2 loaded on an internal Quantum 327MB hard disk.
My only complaint is that the monitor is dim to the point of almost
being unusable. For those curious, it does show 'NeXT Computer' on
the rear panel vice 'NeXT Cube'.
--
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8:45 a.m.
New subject: new find...
How funny. I picked up a NeXT '040 cube with
Dimension board Sunday.
It also was a N1000, upgraded to a 25mhz '040, a working OD, a
nonfunctional HD, 64mb on the mb and 64mb on the Dimension. The N4000a
monitor is crisp and bright. I'm talking with Rob of Black Hole about a
Hitachi 21" for the Dimension side. The only thing I need is a
monochtrome monitor cable.
Cool...I'd love to eventually find a Dimension board...then I
could use my 17" Megapixel Color monitor with it vice the dim N4000a.
I did notice that Rob had N4000a's at $60. The killer there would be
the shipping. Thankfully mine came with the long mono cable. I take
it yours doesn't have a floppy drive?
The non-functioning hard drive is not a problem. I
have a couple of
copies of NS3.3 Dev, a junk box full of 2-4gb SCSI drives and I can set
up a new boot drive from my Turbo Color slab.
That'd be easy enough to do. I'll likely swap a larger drive
into this one as well and put NS 3.3 on it. The previous owner had
named this one 'Precious' so that's what you see when you're logged
on.
Jeff
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9:08 a.m.
New subject: new find...
My cube doesn't have a floppy. I've been considering looking for
another faceplate (for a floppy cube), removing the OD and just haveing
a floppy. I never use the floppy on my slab, I usually use the zip in
the external housing.
I did notice Rob had the N4000a's. I'm considering getting on as a
spare. Rob doesn't like to ship the 21" monitors, but my wife said she
would go on a road trip to Boulder to pick one up. It's only about
12-13 hours away from Dallas.
Jeff Hellige wrote:
How funny. I picked up a NeXT '040 cube with
Dimension board Sunday.
It also was a N1000, upgraded to a 25mhz '040, a working OD, a
nonfunctional HD, 64mb on the mb and 64mb on the Dimension. The N4000a
monitor is crisp and bright. I'm talking with Rob of Black Hole about a
Hitachi 21" for the Dimension side. The only thing I need is a
monochtrome monitor cable.
Cool...I'd love to eventually find a Dimension board...then I
could use my 17" Megapixel Color monitor with it vice the dim N4000a.
I did notice that Rob had N4000a's at $60. The killer there would be
the shipping. Thankfully mine came with the long mono cable. I take
it yours doesn't have a floppy drive?
The non-functioning hard drive is not a problem.
I have a couple of
copies of NS3.3 Dev, a junk box full of 2-4gb SCSI drives and I can set
up a new boot drive from my Turbo Color slab.
That'd be easy enough to do. I'll likely swap a larger drive
into this one as well and put NS 3.3 on it. The previous owner had
named this one 'Precious' so that's what you see when you're logged
on.
Jeff
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10:15 a.m.
New subject: new find...
My cube doesn't have a floppy. I've been
considering looking for
another faceplate (for a floppy cube), removing the OD and just haveing
a floppy. I never use the floppy on my slab, I usually use the zip in
the external housing.
I wouldn't be suprised if Rob had a faceplate or two stashed
away somewhere. I can see where you might not feel the need to get a
floppy for it though since it'd be easy enough for you to do the OS
installs using your slab. That's really the only thing I use my
floppy for. I'm going to take an Apple CD300 case and paint it and
the faceplate of a NEC CDR-1410A black to match the NeXT. It'll then
be close in both style and color to the original NeXT CD-ROM but
faster.
I did notice Rob had the N4000a's. I'm
considering getting on as a
spare. Rob doesn't like to ship the 21" monitors, but my wife said she
would go on a road trip to Boulder to pick one up. It's only about
12-13 hours away from Dallas.
My 17" color monitor is really heavy...I'd hate to think what
the 21" NeXT monitors must weigh. I'm going to drop him a note and
see how dim the ones that he has are.
Jeff
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10:53 a.m.
New subject: new find...
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
Can you write NeXT optical disks from another platform?
Surprisingly, I think the 17" monitors are heavier than the 21". I have a
21" that isn't too bad to pick up (and I'm a pretty small guy), but is
lighter than my DEC VR297-DA 17" Trinitron.
Peace... Sridhar
My cube
doesn't have a floppy. I've been considering looking for
another faceplate (for a floppy cube), removing the OD and just haveing
a floppy. I never use the floppy on my slab, I usually use the zip in
the external housing.
I wouldn't be suprised if Rob had a faceplate or two stashed
away somewhere. I can see where you might not feel the need to get a
floppy for it though since it'd be easy enough for you to do the OS
installs using your slab. That's really the only thing I use my
floppy for. I'm going to take an Apple CD300 case and paint it and
the faceplate of a NEC CDR-1410A black to match the NeXT. It'll then
be close in both style and color to the original NeXT CD-ROM but
faster. I did notice
Rob had the N4000a's. I'm considering getting on as a
spare. Rob doesn't like to ship the 21" monitors, but my wife said she
would go on a road trip to Boulder to pick one up. It's only about
12-13 hours away from Dallas.
My 17" color monitor is really heavy...I'd hate to think what
the 21" NeXT monitors must weigh. I'm going to drop him a note and
see how dim the ones that he has are. Jeff
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11:21 a.m.
New subject: new find...
Can you write NeXT optical disks from another platform?
I don't believe so, but I could be wrong. I believe that
since the NeXT MO was a pretty early example of the type that it is
pretty much by itself format-wise.
Surprisingly, I think the 17" monitors are heavier
than the 21". I have a
21" that isn't too bad to pick up (and I'm a pretty small guy), but is
lighter than my DEC VR297-DA 17" Trinitron.
I know that the NeXT 17" color monitor is a good deal heavier
than my NEC Multisync 75 17" monitor. The mono 17" NeXT monitor
isn't bad though...plus it has the cool stand!
Jeff
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12:39 p.m.
New subject: new find...
Format and interface of the OD were NeXT only. My NeXt 17:" is heavier
than recent 17" I've carried. I imagine that the NeXT 21" weigh a ton.
I think Rob said the 21" weighed around 80 pounds.
I love the ""Frog Design" stand on the N4000 monitors.
Jeff Hellige wrote:
Can you write NeXT optical disks from another
platform?
I don't believe so, but I could be wrong. I believe that
since the NeXT MO was a pretty early example of the type that it is
pretty much by itself format-wise.
Surprisingly, I think the 17" monitors are
heavier than the 21". I have a
21" that isn't too bad to pick up (and I'm a pretty small guy), but is
lighter than my DEC VR297-DA 17" Trinitron.
I know that the NeXT 17" color monitor is a good deal heavier
than my NEC Multisync 75 17" monitor. The mono 17" NeXT monitor
isn't bad though...plus it has the cool stand!
Jeff
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1:20 p.m.
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, James Rice wrote:
Format and interface of the OD were NeXT only. My
NeXt 17:" is heavier
than recent 17" I've carried. I imagine that the NeXT 21" weigh a ton.
I think Rob said the 21" weighed around 80 pounds.
I would guess at a number lighter than that. My NeXT 21" isn't THAT
heavy. In any case, it weighs less than my IBM PC Server 704s.
Peace... Sridhar
4:13 p.m.
New subject: new find...
I love the ""Frog Design" stand on the
N4000 monitors.
It certainly sets it apart from other monitors, and would do
so even if it weren't black. Couple that to the black Cube and it
makes for quite a striking site.
Jeff
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4:17 p.m.
New subject: new find...
Mine is going to look great next to the reciently purchased G4 mac cube...
George Rachor
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
I love the
""Frog Design" stand on the N4000 monitors.
It certainly sets it apart from other monitors, and would do
so even if it weren't black. Couple that to the black Cube and it
makes for quite a striking site.
Jeff
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4:50 p.m.
New subject: new find...
I want a G4 cube, just can't justify the expense right now....maybe in a
few months, probably be hard to find then.
"George Leo Rachor Jr." wrote:
Mine is going to look great next to the reciently purchased G4 mac cube...
George Rachor
=========================================================
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Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com
United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
> >I love the ""Frog Design" stand on the N4000 monitors.
>
> It certainly sets it apart from other monitors, and would do
> so even if it weren't black. Couple that to the black Cube and it
> makes for quite a striking site.
>
> Jeff
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>
>
4:41 p.m.
New subject: new find...
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, James Rice wrote:
I want a G4 cube, just can't justify the expense
right now....maybe in
a few months, probably be hard to find then.
I'm figuring I'll eventually run into one at a thrift store.
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5:27 p.m.
New subject: new find...
"George Leo Rachor Jr." wrote:
>
> Mine is going to look great next to the reciently purchased G4 mac cube...
>
> George Rachor
I want a G4 cube, just can't justify the expense
right now....maybe in a
few months, probably be hard to find then.
They're a sweet system, but for those of us that need a more expandable
system the towers are still the only way to go. OTOH, the rumoured next
generation iMac is supposed to have a LCD display. Now that sounds
interesting! Hopefully they make it like the 20th (or was it 25th)
Anniversary Mac.
Zane
6:59 p.m.
New subject: new find...
They're a sweet system, but for those of us that
need a more expandable
system the towers are still the only way to go. OTOH, the rumoured next
generation iMac is supposed to have a LCD display. Now that sounds
interesting! Hopefully they make it like the 20th (or was it 25th)
Anniversary Mac.
I hope you mean like the 20th Anniversary's case, not the system board
(which sucked serious eggs).
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5:30 p.m.
New subject: new find...
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, James Rice wrote:
I want a G4 cube, just can't justify the expense
right now....maybe in a
few months, probably be hard to find then.
"George Leo Rachor Jr." wrote:
>
> Mine is going to look great next to the reciently purchased G4 mac cube...
>
> George Rachor
Can you run Openstep on a G4 cube? That would be pretty cool.
Peace... Sridhar
6 p.m.
New subject: new find...
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, James Rice wrote:
Yes, as a matter of fact you can, though I'm not sure what version it
requires, probably "V6.0". Just remember it's now called "MacOS X
V1.0"
instead of OPENSTEP.
Zane
I want a G4 cube, just can't justify the
expense right now....maybe in a
few months, probably be hard to find then.
"George Leo Rachor Jr." wrote:
>
> Mine is going to look great next to the reciently purchased G4 mac cube...
>
> George Rachor
Can you run Openstep on a G4 cube? That would be pretty cool.
Peace... Sridhar
12:23 p.m.
New subject: new find...
I have recently purchased several 12x Toshiba CD-ROMs that were already
painted a satin black. But for the cube, I have an original NeXT
CD-ROM. I've even collected a bunch of NeXT logo power cords and SCSI
cables. I'm going to check with Rob when I finalize plans to make the
trip concerning the floppy faceplate.
It's not the weight that is the problem with shipping, it's the fact
that they almost never make the trip in one piece. He says that both
FexEx ground and UPS seem to take the opportunity to drop test cartons
when ever he ships a 21" monitor.
Jeff Hellige wrote:
My cube doesn't have a floppy. I've been
considering looking for
another faceplate (for a floppy cube), removing the OD and just haveing
a floppy. I never use the floppy on my slab, I usually use the zip in
the external housing.
I wouldn't be suprised if Rob had a faceplate or two stashed
away somewhere. I can see where you might not feel the need to get a
floppy for it though since it'd be easy enough for you to do the OS
installs using your slab. That's really the only thing I use my
floppy for. I'm going to take an Apple CD300 case and paint it and
the faceplate of a NEC CDR-1410A black to match the NeXT. It'll then
be close in both style and color to the original NeXT CD-ROM but
faster.
I did notice Rob had the N4000a's. I'm
considering getting on as a
spare. Rob doesn't like to ship the 21" monitors, but my wife said she
would go on a road trip to Boulder to pick one up. It's only about
12-13 hours away from Dallas.
My 17" color monitor is really heavy...I'd hate to think what
the 21" NeXT monitors must weigh. I'm going to drop him a note and
see how dim the ones that he has are.
Jeff
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17 Aug
17 Aug
4:07 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Actually Iggy, your preferences are more irrelevant to me. Chuck's always
been polite to me, and I respect that.
Peace... Sridhar
On 16 Aug 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
Chuck McManis skrev:
Iggy, SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT THE NEW STUFF COME
AT THE TOP.
Chuck, GO TO HELL!
Or, to put it in a more civil way, YOUR PREFERENCES ARE IRRELEVANT!
5:28 a.m.
New subject: Who reads their email the most Classically?
Master of all that Sucks skrev:
Actually Iggy, your preferences are more irrelevant to
me. Chuck's always
been polite to me, and I respect that.
It amazes me how people who work with computers for a living have failed to
grasp the most basic concepts of netiquette.
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14 Aug
6:24 p.m.
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Yes! The paper that the software is coded on stands 47 feet tall! It
takes me a week to reply to a single message, having to enter all the
instructions in by hand (and also because it's running a PC emulator).
If it wasn't for the time-suspension device I have then I would never be
able to keep up with the list :)
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I'm reading mine on a CARDIAC. You should
see my IP-to-Paper gateway!
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^^^^
Does this mean that you've succeeded in porting PINE to run on CARDIAC?
THAT would be worthy of an exhibit at VCF!
6:48 p.m.
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Mike Ford skrev:
Who reads their email the most Classically?
I am not classic at all, running Eudora on a PowerMac,
but somebody out
there must be farther back than pine in the email evolution chain, who is
it?
I think Cameron's using a C128D as a terminal.
And Tony runs a hideously expanded IBM AT.
My computer won't be classic for another year. =)
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