22 Apr
2001
22 Apr
'01
6:13 p.m.
Hi folks,
I'm slightly happy in that I got my paws on the above machine today,
complete with a CD, MacinStore hard drive and Magneto-Optical drive. What
I'm not slightly happy about is that I discovered later on that because the
SCSI on the IIfx is 3 times quicker than the SCSI on other MacIIs I need the
special 'black' terminator to make it all work. I remember the terminator
being in a box of cables but because I didn't know it was necessary I didn't
pick it up and the chances of it being there next week are slim.
Begging time - anyone got a spare? :)
Also, I picked up another Sanyo MBC555 just to get the RGB monitor -
Sellam's mentioned (with just a hint of irony :) that the MBC is one of this
list's 'favourite' machines so I take it that it's not well liked here?
If
so why not?
cheers!
adrian/witchy
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum (as featured in
Computer Weekly)
0:OK, 0:1
22 Apr
22 Apr
2:34 p.m.
From: "Adrian Graham"
<witchy(a)vorbis.demon.co.uk>
To: "Classiccmp@Classiccmp. Org" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Mac IIfx
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:13:45 +0100
Importance: Normal
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Hi folks,
Snip
special 'black' terminator to make it all
work. I remember the terminator
being in a box of cables but because I didn't know it was necessary I didn't
pick it up and the chances of it being there next week are slim.
Begging time - anyone got a spare? :)
Good catch on those vast oddball Mac IIfx. Besides that terminator
block, it use oddball IIfx-only memory sticks due to memory speed,
some of apple printers uses this ram factor but they're slower rated.
That done, terminator is not the issue, get any active SE
terminator they're not that expensive new and easily found with good
catalog, even startech has these.
Even '030/'8881 at blistering 40Mhz, full '040-25 trounces it due to
both built in cache w/ low losses and efficient CPU and FPU built in.
But that IIfx was out way earlier than '040 did. Another example,
386dx w/ fpu and external cache clocked at 40MHz gets kicked off by
486dx 25 w/ no external cache and built in 8K cache.
Also, I picked up another Sanyo MBC555 just to get the
RGB monitor -
Sellam's mentioned (with just a hint of irony :) that the MBC is one of this
list's 'favourite' machines so I take it that it's not well liked here?
If
so why not?
Pukes but again good way to show the worst examples if some is
curious about that. Nothing wrong with your wishes, just that I had
those MBC555s. ;-)
Cheers,
Wizard
3:14 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
The problem is seller isn't responding to any of my emails except for
one email from them without any replies to my emails.
I sent 2 emails after won the item, and this seller had friday
all day to respond in person by email except for one email I got from
this seller. Note this email there is nothing that they read or
responded to any of my emails.
Basic info I sent I wanted to get shipping cost on USPS ground with
my address given in first email sent to that seller, second email
basically I said "knock, knock, anybody home yet"??. I also sent one
more reply with this email snipped out and a request for reference to
earlier emails.
From: MacVizion(a)aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:51:19 EDT
Subject: E-Bay Auction #1230313635 - ROM SIMM For 6100 7100 8100
To: jpero(a)sympatico.ca
Hello & Congratulations,
You were high bidder on our ROM SIMM auction on E-bay.
Your Final Bid was $10.45
Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US Postal Service
If this will be an international order, contact us for a shipping quote
The Total Via Priority Mail In The Continental US Will Be $16.45
We are a Licensed Texas Retailer.
Include 8.25% Sales Tax On Merchandise Shipped To a Texas Address.
(Include Tax On Merchandise Only - Not On Shipping Fees)
Include Shipping Address, Auction Number, Telephone And E-mail with order.
Not Including one of these Items Will Result in Shipping Delays.
Credit Card transactions May be Completed Via Fax, E-Mail Or Phone.
Phone: (806) 324-8060 Fax: (806) 342-9332
For Mailed Payments We Accept Checks, Money Orders & Cashier's Checks.
When mailing from outside the US 48 states, International Money orders only.
Please Mail Payments To:
Michael Stebbins
3655 Canyon Drive
Amarillo, Texas 79110
Secured Funds & Credit Card Orders Usually Ship within Two Business Days Of
Payment. Unsecured Funds may not ship until cleared by our bank.
If You Have any Questions or Comments Please E-mail or Phone us.
Thanks for your business,
Michael Stebbins & Michael Lam
I need your help to get some sense into that owner. Or is there a
way to get out of this deal and give a black eye to seller?
Here's the ebay ROM stick part I won for my 7100 rebuild.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1230313635
I think I prefers to give that seller a black eye for poor customer
relations and look for other 7100 parts on ebay if this is possible.
Phoning is impractical for me. LD call and using relay is slow way
and cost eater.
Cheers,
Wizard
7:28 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
I think you are being more than a bit impatient. Since this seller has 2000+
feedback, and only 2 negs, I don't know exactly why you feel the need to
give the seller a black eye. This appears to be a business, and if it is
closed on weekends and takes care of email in the morning, you will receive
an answer tomorrow morning. Not everyone lives on a computer.
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
The problem is seller isn't responding to any of my emails except for
one email from them without any replies to my emails.
I sent 2 emails after won the item, and this seller had friday
all day to respond in person by email except for one email I got from
this seller. Note this email there is nothing that they read or
responded to any of my emails.
Basic info I sent I wanted to get shipping cost on USPS ground with
my address given in first email sent to that seller, second email
basically I said "knock, knock, anybody home yet"??. I also sent one
more reply with this email snipped out and a request for reference to
earlier emails.
From: MacVizion(a)aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:51:19 EDT
Subject: E-Bay Auction #1230313635 - ROM SIMM For 6100 7100 8100
To: jpero(a)sympatico.ca
Hello & Congratulations,
You were high bidder on our ROM SIMM auction on E-bay.
Your Final Bid was $10.45
Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US Postal Service
If this will be an international order, contact us for a shipping quote
The Total Via Priority Mail In The Continental US Will Be $16.45
We are a Licensed Texas Retailer.
Include 8.25% Sales Tax On Merchandise Shipped To a Texas Address.
(Include Tax On Merchandise Only - Not On Shipping Fees)
Include Shipping Address, Auction Number, Telephone And E-mail with order.
Not Including one of these Items Will Result in Shipping Delays.
Credit Card transactions May be Completed Via Fax, E-Mail Or Phone.
Phone: (806) 324-8060 Fax: (806) 342-9332
For Mailed Payments We Accept Checks, Money Orders & Cashier's Checks.
When mailing from outside the US 48 states, International Money orders only.
Please Mail Payments To:
Michael Stebbins
3655 Canyon Drive
Amarillo, Texas 79110
Secured Funds & Credit Card Orders Usually Ship within Two Business Days Of
Payment. Unsecured Funds may not ship until cleared by our bank.
If You Have any Questions or Comments Please E-mail or Phone us.
Thanks for your business,
Michael Stebbins & Michael Lam
I need your help to get some sense into that owner. Or is there a
way to get out of this deal and give a black eye to seller?
Here's the ebay ROM stick part I won for my 7100 rebuild.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1230313635
I think I prefers to give that seller a black eye for poor customer
relations and look for other 7100 parts on ebay if this is possible.
Phoning is impractical for me. LD call and using relay is slow way
and cost eater.
Cheers,
Wizard
4 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:28:40 -0700
From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
I think you are being more than a bit impatient. Since this seller has 2000+
feedback, and only 2 negs, I don't know exactly why you feel the need to
give the seller a black eye. This appears to be a business, and if it is
closed on weekends and takes care of email in the morning, you will receive
an answer tomorrow morning. Not everyone lives on a computer.
I know, I'm going to give seller whole monday till midnight a chance
to repute. Remember, seller had whole friday to respond since this
auction ended on thursday night of 19th and that my 1st email after
that auction ended went out on that night before that.
Pls snip the email if replying for benefiting users who is
on pay by min phone line connections.
All my last 4 sellers I dealt with were excellent because they care
about keeping in touch with buyers.
Cheers,
Wizard
8:08 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 07:14 PM 4/22/01 +0000, you wrote:
The problem is seller isn't responding to any of my
emails except for
one email from them without any replies to my emails.
Why not give him a call on the telephone at (806) 324-8060 like he said in
his email?
--Chuck
8:20 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1230313635
I think I prefers to give that seller a black eye for poor customer
relations and look for other 7100 parts on ebay if this is possible.
Phoning is impractical for me. LD call and using relay is slow way
and cost eater.
Cheers,
Wizard
Just relax. I see no problem at all, except the first few steps in the ebay
learning curve.
You are dealing with an auction that ended on Friday the 19th, and have
received a typical notice from the seller. This store has 2600 positives on
eBay, and maybe a couple dozen negatives, so chances of ANY problem being
on there end are pretty small. Your auction could have been one of maybe 50
to 75 they had end on Friday, so don't expect a lot of rapid back and forth
email, or really ANY further response before sometime on Monday.
Best advice is just to respond to the emails they send you with the
requested information. Most high volume sellers use software to generate
and "read" all the ebay related email, and don't expect to write personal
messages to anybody unless a "real" problem exists.
9:12 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Relax... Not everyone is on their system 24/7. I've done business
MacVizion and they are a reputable seller. e-bay sellers typically take
up to three BUSINESS days to respond. Also, the note they sent you
appears to answer your question...
"Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US Postal Service"
Jim
5:29 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:12:33 -0700
From: Jim Arnott <jrasite(a)eoni.com>
Organization: WetWesties <http://wetwesties.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Relax... Not everyone is on their system 24/7.
I've done business
MacVizion and they are a reputable seller. e-bay sellers typically take
up to three BUSINESS days to respond. Also, the note they sent you
appears to answer your question...
"Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US Postal Service"
Psst.
1. I'm in Canada.
2. Mike Ford, that auction ended on *thursday night of 19th*,
friday was 20th.
That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
Only that, seller isn't responding in reasonably manner so I'm
waiting for his last chance on Monday.
Milt sells lot of bunch and he always keep interested buyers up and
up if he is busy or whatever.
Cheers,
Wizard
9:06 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
The ONE and ONLY reason I am no longer self employed.....
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, you wrote:
--
Brian Roth - System Administrator
www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository
Preoccupation is my main occupation.....
Date:
Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:12:33 -0700
From: Jim Arnott <jrasite(a)eoni.com>
Organization: WetWesties <http://wetwesties.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Relax... Not everyone is on their system 24/7.
I've done business
MacVizion and they are a reputable seller. e-bay sellers typically take
up to three BUSINESS days to respond. Also, the note they sent you
appears to answer your question...
"Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US Postal Service"
Psst.
1. I'm in Canada.
2. Mike Ford, that auction ended on *thursday night of 19th*,
friday was 20th.
That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
Only that, seller isn't responding in reasonably manner so I'm
waiting for his last chance on Monday.
Milt sells lot of bunch and he always keep interested buyers up and
up if he is busy or whatever.
Cheers,
Wizard
10:05 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
That seller should have put a notice stating
"shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
If you will take the time to read the guidelines, you will find that they
word it "Generally within *3 business days* is a good idea." IMNSHO, your
comments, so far, do not reflect well on you as a buyer. I don't think any
seller in their right mind will purposely delay concluding a transaction.
And yes, I saw your feedback, and it is an *excellent* start. As far as I
can tell, the comments back to you here are from people experienced with
online buying/selling, and it would be a good idea to at least give them
some consideration :)!
10:36 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
"Shipping
cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US Postal Service"
Psst.
1. I'm in Canada. 2. Mike Ford, that auction ended on *thursday night
of 19th*,
friday was 20th.
That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
Only that, seller isn't responding in reasonably manner so I'm
waiting for his last chance on Monday.
Milt sells lot of bunch and he always keep interested buyers up and
up if he is busy or whatever.
"CONTACT" not respond to email, many bulk sellers are completely automated
so that you will NEVER get a personal response. Many ebay sellers like to
chat, and will rattle off dozens of emails, but a few do this as a business
for money and just don't have the time.
BTW the purpose of requesting your phone number is mostly for UPS, so if
they have a problem delivering the package they can call you.
It seems like you are still considering posting a negative feedback as soon
as Tuesday, and I strongly advise against it. International sales are a
PITA, and many eBay vendors now won't sell to Canadians, just because of
potential problems and possible negative feedback.
7:17 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:36:36 -0700
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Snip
"CONTACT" not respond to email, many bulk
sellers are completely automated
so that you will NEVER get a personal response. Many ebay sellers like to
chat, and will rattle off dozens of emails, but a few do this as a business
for money and just don't have the time.
I see, then I can't help with that and be unhappy with this if this
ever happens. Contact means to get in touch and talk to finish
the deal and method of payment. Email or phone, I prefer email.
BTW the purpose of requesting your phone number is
mostly for UPS, so if
they have a problem delivering the package they can call you.
I commend that but some far away people wishes not to have phone
given due to LD cost or something nasty but many are reasonable
people. Realize that I always remind seller I pay by MO, not checks
or credit cards.
It seems like you are still considering posting a
negative feedback as soon
as Tuesday, and I strongly advise against it. International sales are a
PITA, and many eBay vendors now won't sell to Canadians, just because of
potential problems and possible negative feedback.
Interational sales PITA? I see this way less PITA between Canada
and USA border. Especially across the sea or south of that USA I
can agree with that being some more PITA.
BTW, what can I do about that to withdrawal from this deal
gracefully if Mike Ford advises against negative feedback? Well, I
give this time till Tuesday night but I'm not sure why you're against
negative feedback. They there for that reason.
Cheers,
Wizard
23 Apr
23 Apr
4:35 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
I commend that but some far away people wishes not to
have phone
given due to LD cost or something nasty but many are reasonable
people. Realize that I always remind seller I pay by MO, not checks
or credit cards.
When you bid you enter a contract with the terms laid out in the eBay
regulations and the requirements of the seller (if they bother, but it
doesn't have to be listed as long as they make it clear they have terms and
link to them within the auction ad). As many seller say in there ads, if
you don't agree to the terms, don't bid. Once you bid, unless you retract
your bid both immediately and a reasonable time prior to the auction
closing, you have committed yourself to complete the transaction under the
terms set out.
So what can you do?
Back out, don't pay. Most likely you will get a nasty negative, but maybe
and just as likely you will get booted off ebay. Big deal, you only have 4
feedback, so starting a new account isn't a great punishment.
Back out, but be nice about it and offer to pay the relisting costs etc. of
the seller.
So what should you do?
Just respond to the first email with the information requested like the
last 2600 happy customers did, and sit back and wait for the gears of
commerce to turn.
Why shouldn't you leave negative feedback?
The seller has done NOTHING wrong, his are normal ebay business practices.
Tit for tat, they could leave a negative for you as a uncooperative buyer
who leaves negative feedback 5 days after the auction closes. Nobody will
even notice the negative you would be leaving them, and if well written
anybody sane reading the negative they could live for you would just cancel
your bids and bar you from their auctions.
Why are international sales a PITA?
Half a dozen extra things can go wrong, many related to random chance, ie
after 100 transactions 10 packages will be lost, 5 people will order the
wrong item, payment will come in a form that can't be cashed without great
expense, 2 people die before the deal is completed, etc. etc. Not only does
it take more time, but it occupies my thoughts until its done. Want to know
how many airmail money orders from Canada have taken more than 2 weeks to
reach me in California? (about 15%)
It seems like you are still considering posting a
negative feedback as soon
as Tuesday, and I strongly advise against it. International sales are a
PITA, and many eBay vendors now won't sell to Canadians, just because of
potential problems and possible negative feedback.
Interational sales PITA? I see this way less PITA between Canada
and USA border. Especially across the sea or south of that USA I
can agree with that being some more PITA.
BTW, what can I do about that to withdrawal from this deal
gracefully if Mike Ford advises against negative feedback? Well, I
give this time till Tuesday night but I'm not sure why you're against
negative feedback. They there for that reason.
4:04 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:35:08 -0700
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Snip!
Half a dozen extra things can go wrong, many related
to random chance, ie
after 100 transactions 10 packages will be lost, 5 people will order the
wrong item, payment will come in a form that can't be cashed without great
expense, 2 people die before the deal is completed, etc. etc. Not only does
it take more time, but it occupies my thoughts until its done. Want to know
how many airmail money orders from Canada have taken more than 2 weeks to
reach me in California? (about 15%)
Wow, pretty bad.
So far I have sent payments and/or packages all via regular mail or
USPS ground from Canada and most of them made it about 1 week and
half or less. Yes, even all the way to California. About 15 of
that anywhere in USA and Canada in last 5 years. No problems.
Most of this delays is the senders' error to do this mailing
correctly. Only once, my friend made a mistake on declaration forms
and I had to straighten it out w/ customs because that didn't
deserves the taxes applied. Some of it get sent back after
I work on it for nothing and other things are given to me. Resolved
it within business week and a mild scolding to my friend. :-)
These shippers like UPS or like does give me problems than regular
mail. Believe me, I hate to pay $20 border charge on package due
to FedExplode/UPS crusher or like, or sellers who insists on shipping
2 day even I say NO! That drives up cost on a already worthless
used items or very low value used items I buy. Also this increases
chances of being opened and nosed around inside especially these I
listed, I think someone damaged at least one item. I don't mind the
medium cost or quick shipment w/ insurance for new items.
Cheers,
Wizard
7:54 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
I've bought from this outfit before. They run a retail business in
addition to selling on ebay and with me thay also took a couple of days
to answer. The merchandise was exactly as listed, shipping was prompt
after payment was made. Good people to deal with, IMHO.
James
Mike Ford wrote:
--
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Home Page http://home.texoma.net/~jrice
Classic Comp Page at http://home.texoma.net/~jrice/classiccomp.html
Robotics Page at http://home.texoma.net/~jrice/hobbies.html
All pages under construction!
I commend that but some far away people wishes not
to have phone
given due to LD cost or something nasty but many are reasonable
people. Realize that I always remind seller I pay by MO, not checks
or credit cards.
When you bid you enter a contract with the terms laid out in the eBay
regulations and the requirements of the seller (if they bother, but it
doesn't have to be listed as long as they make it clear they have terms and
link to them within the auction ad). As many seller say in there ads, if
you don't agree to the terms, don't bid. Once you bid, unless you retract
your bid both immediately and a reasonable time prior to the auction
closing, you have committed yourself to complete the transaction under the
terms set out.
So what can you do?
Back out, don't pay. Most likely you will get a nasty negative, but maybe
and just as likely you will get booted off ebay. Big deal, you only have 4
feedback, so starting a new account isn't a great punishment.
Back out, but be nice about it and offer to pay the relisting costs etc. of
the seller.
So what should you do?
Just respond to the first email with the information requested like the
last 2600 happy customers did, and sit back and wait for the gears of
commerce to turn.
Why shouldn't you leave negative feedback?
The seller has done NOTHING wrong, his are normal ebay business practices.
Tit for tat, they could leave a negative for you as a uncooperative buyer
who leaves negative feedback 5 days after the auction closes. Nobody will
even notice the negative you would be leaving them, and if well written
anybody sane reading the negative they could live for you would just cancel
your bids and bar you from their auctions.
Why are international sales a PITA?
Half a dozen extra things can go wrong, many related to random chance, ie
after 100 transactions 10 packages will be lost, 5 people will order the
wrong item, payment will come in a form that can't be cashed without great
expense, 2 people die before the deal is completed, etc. etc. Not only does
it take more time, but it occupies my thoughts until its done. Want to know
how many airmail money orders from Canada have taken more than 2 weeks to
reach me in California? (about 15%) It seems like you are still considering posting a
negative feedback as soon
as Tuesday, and I strongly advise against it. International sales are a
PITA, and many eBay vendors now won't sell to Canadians, just because of
potential problems and possible negative feedback.
Interational sales PITA? I see this way less PITA between Canada
and USA border. Especially across the sea or south of that USA I
can agree with that being some more PITA.
BTW, what can I do about that to withdrawal from this deal
gracefully if Mike Ford advises against negative feedback? Well, I
give this time till Tuesday night but I'm not sure why you're against
negative feedback. They there for that reason. 
11:28 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Howdy,
I sold on Ebay and several other sites internationally and have had close to
1000 transactions, be patient, International sales are not always easy. There
could be a number of reasons for the seller not being as prompt as he/she
could. Give it another week then use safe harbor to run interference for you.
I hope that this helps
Bill Claussen
elecdata1
Mike Ford wrote:
Hmmm, that isn't part of the united states yet, but I think it might be
later on.
"Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental
US Via US Postal Service"
Psst.
1. I'm in Canada. 2. Mike Ford, that auction ended on *thursday
night of 19th*,
friday was 20th.
That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
Only that, seller isn't responding in reasonably manner so I'm
waiting for his last chance on Monday.
Milt sells lot of bunch and he always keep interested buyers up and
up if he is busy or whatever.
"CONTACT" not respond to email, many bulk sellers are completely automated
so that you will NEVER get a personal response. Many ebay sellers like to
chat, and will rattle off dozens of emails, but a few do this as a business
for money and just don't have the time.
BTW the purpose of requesting your phone number is mostly for UPS, so if
they have a problem delivering the package they can call you.
It seems like you are still considering posting a negative feedback as soon
as Tuesday, and I strongly advise against it. International sales are a
PITA, and many eBay vendors now won't sell to Canadians, just because of
potential problems and possible negative feedback. 
22 Apr
22 Apr
11:22 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
I normally respond to the buyer withing 12 hours, that allows for times when
I'm on an onsite job or my alloted 4 hours for sleep. I always try to stay
on top of the auctions but I've had sellers repsond to me as buyer as late
as 5 days but they did have a good explanation (in the hospital or moving).
I have had only one little "dork" (for lack of a better word) as a buyer
post negative on me that he got junk when I actually sent him a better unit
than was posted. I've heard he's done this to others too and we've all come
to the conclusion that he's got junk around and buys good units cheap, then
wants a refund on a phoney charge that it's not "as advertised" and he
sends
the crappy one he had before the auction back to the buyer. I didn't go for
it as I openly post "sales final" on my auctions as I'm not a friggin'
retail store. Even at that this "polbit" character posts negative but with
over 155 excellent posts I don' think one will hurt, especially since it's
already buried deep in the rest of the feedback. He posted "buyer beware"
when it's actually "seller beware of buyer". All in a lifetime I guess.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of jpero(a)sympatico.ca
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 4:30 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:12:33 -0700
From: Jim Arnott <jrasite(a)eoni.com>
Organization: WetWesties <http://wetwesties.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs
your advices
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Relax... Not everyone is on their system 24/7.
I've done business
MacVizion and they are a reputable seller. e-bay sellers typically take
up to three BUSINESS days to respond. Also, the note they sent you
appears to answer your question...
"Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US
Postal
Service"
Psst.
1. I'm in Canada.
2. Mike Ford, that auction ended on *thursday night of 19th*,
friday was 20th.
That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
Only that, seller isn't responding in reasonably manner so I'm
waiting for his last chance on Monday.
Milt sells lot of bunch and he always keep interested buyers up and
up if he is busy or whatever.
Cheers,
Wizard 
23 Apr
23 Apr
8:33 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 09:29 PM 4/22/01 +0000, you wrote:
Only that, seller isn't responding in reasonably
manner so I'm
waiting for his last chance on Monday.
Giving up on such a short notice is actually against
eBay "recommended practice". Some snippets: 1) "Sellers and buyers
should contact each other within three business days".
So you should wait until at least Wednesday before resorting
to the next remediation step suggested by eBay, "2) Before
posting negative feedback, buyers should try to contact the
seller via phone if possible" .
If you give up this soon, the seller will have every right
to claim that he/she acted within reasonable expectations.
Carlos.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
9:34 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Wiz, what time thursday? After close of business? If so, then 3
business days ends Tuesday evening.
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Date:
Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:12:33 -0700
From: Jim Arnott <jrasite(a)eoni.com>
Organization: WetWesties <http://wetwesties.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Relax... Not everyone is on their system 24/7.
I've done business
MacVizion and they are a reputable seller. e-bay sellers typically take
up to three BUSINESS days to respond. Also, the note they sent you
appears to answer your question...
"Shipping cost will be $6.00 in the continental US Via US Postal Service"
Psst.
1. I'm in Canada.
2. Mike Ford, that auction ended on *thursday night of 19th*,
friday was 20th.
That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
Only that, seller isn't responding in reasonably manner so I'm
waiting for his last chance on Monday.
Milt sells lot of bunch and he always keep interested buyers up and
up if he is busy or whatever.
Cheers,
Wizard
9:52 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 09:29 PM 4/22/01 +0000, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
That seller should have put a notice stating
"shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
It's kinda funny that you think eBay buyers read the
auction descriptions and fine print.
I can't tell you how many times I've said "USA only" and had
international bidders and winners, or how many buyers want to
back out because of regret combined with an inability to read
the description, or who can't read the e-mail I send them that
says "US Mail or UPS, your choice" or "Shipping is $8" - rapidly
followed by their e-mail that says "How much is shipping?"...
and then the "USA only" international buyer wants you to falsify the
export document so they don't have to pay customs fees.
You can get really screwed by international shipments
on inexpensive items - without lots of insurance and receipts,
who's to say the item didn't arrive? Ten+ years ago, I seem
to remember the Amiga market being scammed by Italian buyers
who'd claim over and over that their product never arrived.
I was also bit by the recent dramatic change in the US Post Office's
rate for international shipments. Once upon a time, you could
send an item of a pound or so almost anywhere in the world
under the "small packet" rate. This is now gone, and rates
for sending abroad seem to have doubled or tripled.
- John
10:57 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
I think any of us that have sold a dozen or more items on ebay, yahoo, etc
are all sitting back smiling as we've done the same. I post (very clearly)
that shipping is to "USA 48 states only" or "USA and APO/FPO only" or
USA,
APO/FPO and Canada only" etc to have a person in New Zealand bid on the item
and win it. I don't much care if they bid and get outbid as the total comes
up a few bucks. Really you shouldn't have to do all of this as with ebay's
fees and separate international auction sites they should have already had
things in place that if their location doesn't match the assigned
shipping/selling locations that it prevents them from bidding, or at least
warns them that they are about to bid on an item that will only be shipped
to locations other than theirs.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:53 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 09:29 PM 4/22/01 +0000, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
That seller should have put a notice stating
"shipping in States
only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
It's kinda funny that you think eBay buyers read the
auction descriptions and fine print.
I can't tell you how many times I've said "USA only" and had
international bidders and winners, or how many buyers want to
back out because of regret combined with an inability to read
the description, or who can't read the e-mail I send them that
says "US Mail or UPS, your choice" or "Shipping is $8" - rapidly
followed by their e-mail that says "How much is shipping?"...
and then the "USA only" international buyer wants you to falsify the
export document so they don't have to pay customs fees.
You can get really screwed by international shipments
on inexpensive items - without lots of insurance and receipts,
who's to say the item didn't arrive? Ten+ years ago, I seem
to remember the Amiga market being scammed by Italian buyers
who'd claim over and over that their product never arrived.
I was also bit by the recent dramatic change in the US Post Office's
rate for international shipments. Once upon a time, you could
send an item of a pound or so almost anywhere in the world
under the "small packet" rate. This is now gone, and rates
for sending abroad seem to have doubled or tripled.
- John
11:37 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
What's the problem with International shipping???? The World's a big
place and MANY eBay buyers are not US based. I ALWAYS put "Will Ship
Internationaly" in my auction copy and have had several hundred
successful
International transactions. USPS up to 20 kilos is usually pretty
reasonable. "Small Packet" may be gone but "Letter post" has replaced
it.
Global Priority is also good for small items and is only $9 for up to 2
pounds.
Big stuff can go DHL, Emery Worldwide, FedEx or any number of freight
consolidators ... It's really no big deal! As long as a foreign
bidder is willing to pay the shipping ... What's the Problem???
Craig
Russ Blakeman wrote:
I think any of us that have sold a dozen or more items on ebay, yahoo, etc
are all sitting back smiling as we've done the same. I post (very clearly)
that shipping is to "USA 48 states only" or "USA and APO/FPO only" or
USA,
APO/FPO and Canada only" etc to have a person in New Zealand bid on the item
and win it. I don't much care if they bid and get outbid as the total comes
up a few bucks. Really you shouldn't have to do all of this as with ebay's
fees and separate international auction sites they should have already had
things in place that if their location doesn't match the assigned
shipping/selling locations that it prevents them from bidding, or at least
warns them that they are about to bid on an item that will only be shipped
to locations other than theirs.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:53 AM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
>
>
> At 09:29 PM 4/22/01 +0000, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
> >That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
> >only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open to
> >whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
> >contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
>
> It's kinda funny that you think eBay buyers read the
> auction descriptions and fine print.
>
> I can't tell you how many times I've said "USA only" and had
> international bidders and winners, or how many buyers want to
> back out because of regret combined with an inability to read
> the description, or who can't read the e-mail I send them that
> says "US Mail or UPS, your choice" or "Shipping is $8" -
rapidly
> followed by their e-mail that says "How much is shipping?"...
> and then the "USA only" international buyer wants you to falsify the
> export document so they don't have to pay customs fees.
>
> You can get really screwed by international shipments
> on inexpensive items - without lots of insurance and receipts,
> who's to say the item didn't arrive? Ten+ years ago, I seem
> to remember the Amiga market being scammed by Italian buyers
> who'd claim over and over that their product never arrived.
>
> I was also bit by the recent dramatic change in the US Post Office's
> rate for international shipments. Once upon a time, you could
> send an item of a pound or so almost anywhere in the world
> under the "small packet" rate. This is now gone, and rates
> for sending abroad seem to have doubled or tripled.
>
> - John
>
2:44 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
What's the problem with International shipping????
The World's a big
I have always shipped anything anyplace the person needs it, but shipping
is just ONE tip of the international sales iceberg. Here is my short list
of troubles.
Payment
About half the time I get cash, fortunately nothing lost in transit, but I
know that will happen. The rest of the time averages about 4 emails back
and forth settling on what to send. Please, just use a postal money order
in US funds.
Wrong item
Computers can be confusing, but sorting it out and educating a person over
a $7 cable gets old.
Cultur clash
Item listed as "as is" untested, but with 1 year left on 5 year warranty. I
get a series of gripe emails back, first because its old (duh 1 year left
out of 5 does kind of mean its 4 years old), then (I love this) "I bid too
much". This person made a mistake, and they want me to make it all better,
not a little better mind you, but all better, ie refund purchase price and
shipping both ways. They don't think about how unreasonable their request
is, only what their own personal problem is.
Shipping
With $4 USPS priority mail I am provided free shipping materials, boxes,
tape, mailing labels and I get 2 to 3 day delivery with online
confirmation. International shipping is in general totally unpredictable,
ie the mouse that took 4 months to arrive in Germany, and costs keep moving
so I have to "check shipping costs" for every transaction since I am such a
small time seller. Global Priority mail is OK, but expensive if it can't be
stuffed in one of two fairly small envelopes. Everytime I ship I KNOW I am
rolling the dice regarding some problem coming up.
Dishonest
This is nothing to do with international specifically, in fact most of my
international customers are the best.
Screw ups
Ugh, this is the one that drives me nuts. People who are screw ups, ie
don't tape the box closed, don't pack the item. Worst, I ship a guy
priority a keyboard he just has to have immediately, so I don't even wait
for a check to arrive. A week later I get a package, my same box loosely
taped closed with the keyboard loose on top of the packing materials. I get
stiffed for the auction price, the shipping, AND the moron tried plugging
my DEC LK401 into some Wang/Wyse and blames me that it didn't work and now
he looks dumb to his wife.
24 Apr
24 Apr
10:23 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
What's the
problem with International shipping???? The World's a big
I have always shipped anything anyplace the person needs it, but shipping
is just ONE tip of the international sales iceberg. Here is my short list
of troubles.
Payment
About half the time I get cash, fortunately nothing lost in transit, but I
know that will happen. The rest of the time averages about 4 emails back
and forth settling on what to send. Please, just use a postal money order
in US funds.
Wrong item
Computers can be confusing, but sorting it out and educating a person over
a $7 cable gets old.
Cultur clash
Item listed as "as is" untested, but with 1 year left on 5 year warranty. I
get
a series of gripe emails back, first because its old (duh 1 year left out of 5
does kind of mean its 4 years old), then (I love this) "I bid too much". This
person made a mistake, and they want me to make it all better, not a little
better mind you, but all better, ie refund purchase price and shipping both
ways. They don't think about how unreasonable their request is, only what their
own personal problem is.
That is true of any epay transaction and not specifically international.
Shipping
With $4 USPS priority mail I am provided free shipping materials, boxes,
tape, mailing labels and I get 2 to 3 day delivery with online
confirmation. International shipping is in general totally unpredictable,
ie the mouse that took 4 months to arrive in Germany, and costs keep moving so I
have to "check shipping costs" for every transaction since I am such a small
time seller. Global Priority mail is OK, but expensive if it can't be stuffed in
one of two fairly small envelopes. Everytime I ship I KNOW I am rolling the
dice regarding some problem coming up.
Well since the buyer pays that shouldn't be your problem. I have a small
program that gives me shipping cost based on weight and region. I was
under the impression that the US postal service also charges according to
weight and distance. Why do US sellers ask for your ZIP code ?
Dishonest
This is nothing to do with international specifically, in fact most of my
international customers are the best.
Screw ups
Ugh, this is the one that drives me nuts. People who are screw ups, ie
don't tape the box closed, don't pack the item. Worst, I ship a guy
priority a keyboard he just has to have immediately, so I don't even wait
for a check to arrive. A week later I get a package, my same box loosely
taped closed with the keyboard loose on top of the packing materials. I get
stiffed for the auction price, the shipping, AND the moron tried plugging my DEC
LK401 into some Wang/Wyse and blames me that it didn't work and now he looks
dumb to his wife.
Again this is something not related to International sales. Jerks are
everywhere.
One of the problems related to US sellers is that in some of the auction
programs, the default entry is "we ship only within the continental US"
In many cases I've found that they will indeed ship to Canada but just
unthinkingly accepted the default. Some have responded insultingly "can't
you read" and others have not responded at all. I think in some cases it's
just the ignorance of not knowing the process of shipping internationally.
To my mind they're missing out, since there's a market of 30 million in
Canada alone.
One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big shipping and handling
charge. I sometimes wonder if that is how they really make their money.
I've passed on many desired things due to that rip-off.
larry
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
11:57 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 10:23 AM 4/24/01 -0400, Lawrence Walker wrote:
One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big
shipping and handling
charge. I sometimes wonder if that is how they really make their money.
I've passed on many desired things due to that rip-off.
As far as I've learned, one of the great secrets of any mail order
business is that you should cover your wholesale cost of goods in the
shipping and handling charge, and that the price paid is the
gravy that makes the business possible and profitable.
Unfortunately, some mail order businesses are giving away this
secret when they do stupid things like run ads that offer
a free three-month supply of depilatory - if you pay the
three S/H charges.
In eBay transactions, unless the item fits in an envelope,
the cost of shipping and handling *should* be worth considering
and charging for. Good boxes aren't free. Good packing material
isn't free. Arranging shipping isn't free. What's your time
worth? If someone doesn't want to pay S/H, wish them luck
finding the same item at a neighborhood garage sale. You must
reasonably expect to pay for something to be shipped if you
buy it online.
- John
1:05 p.m.
New subject: Gouging! Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 10:23 AM 4/24/01 -0400, Larry wrote:
One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big shipping and handling
charge. I sometimes wonder if that is how they really make their money.
I've passed on many desired things due to that rip-off.
This isn't confined to E-bay. This is common practice (at least in the
US). In fact, MANY times when you mail order stuff you're not even getting
it from the distributer/manufacturer. Many of them have agreements with an
outside company whereby the other company stores it in their own warehouse
and handles all the packing and shipping in return for those fat "handling
and shipping charges". It's not a practice that I approve of. I feel like
I'm paying twice for something.
FWIW Everytime that I see anything about "handling or shipping charges"
on an auction, I e-mail the seller and ask for the exact charge BEFORE I
will bid on their item. Many times I do not bid on an item specificly
because I feel that their charges are excessive or because they fail to
reply to my questions.
There are some bargains on E-bay but you really have to pay attention to
the details!
Joe
12:48 p.m.
New subject: Gouging! Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
I have had to "drop ship" items to customers from warehouses, to include
from HP PartDirect. Not a big deal normally but of
course many resellers add
on shipping charges that the original shipper (such as HP)
has included in
the price, and make money by adding phoney shipping.
In some instances the large flat fee is good, especially if you live in
Florida and buy from a seller in Washington state. I usually use a nearby
zip to estimate what the shipping would be for UPS and then figure in what
the seller has to get involved with in packing and materials to see if it
would be worth my while. I have seen stuff that was priced really low, to
include the buy-it-now, only to see a ridiculous flat rate shipping.
I have a heavy Lexmark laser on ebay now and I calculated (realistically)
that packing materials to ship it properly would cost me about $9.50
(bubblewrap, peanuts, heavy wall box (or two identical single walls) so I
posted that as a "packing/material fee" and then posted that actual UPS
ground applies to the bid and packing fee. I can't get anymore real with the
buyer than that.
I just bought a different Lexmark strictly to get one with a duplexer and
network card, and they had a flat $45 shipping listed. It shipped from
Sacramento, CA to me in middle KY and I estimated that the 60+ lb box by UPS
ground would cost $42 alone so they got $3 for a very well done packing job.
I made out on that one where I've bought printers for customers (to resell
essentially) and needed one super fast so I've gone for a $65
shipping/packing from Ohio but I made that back from the customer, as well
as being able to snipe my way in last minute and get a good price. The total
of bid and shipping still allowed me to make about $25 on the resale.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:05 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Gouging! Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your
advices
At 10:23 AM 4/24/01 -0400, Larry wrote:
One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big shipping and handling
charge. I sometimes wonder if that is how they really make their money.
I've passed on many desired things due to that rip-off.
This isn't confined to E-bay. This is common practice (at least in the
US). In fact, MANY times when you mail order stuff you're not even getting
it from the distributer/manufacturer. Many of them have agreements with an
outside company whereby the other company stores it in their own warehouse
and handles all the packing and shipping in return for those fat "handling
and shipping charges". It's not a practice that I approve of. I feel like
I'm paying twice for something.
FWIW Everytime that I see anything about "handling or shipping charges"
on an auction, I e-mail the seller and ask for the exact charge BEFORE I
will bid on their item. Many times I do not bid on an item specificly
because I feel that their charges are excessive or because they fail to
reply to my questions.
There are some bargains on E-bay but you really have to pay
attention to
the details!
Joe
3:57 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Lawrence Walker wrote:
Why do US sellers ask for your ZIP code ?
Thats how we know where you live. Cost might not vary as much with
International shipping, by zip code, but I would think that a zip from
Vancouver would cost more than a zip from Toronto, for me.
One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big
shipping and handling
charge. I sometimes wonder if that is how they really make their money.
I've passed on many desired things due to that rip-off.
This only really irritates me when I get the package and it is packed
badly. I bought an Apple //gs from a guy on Ebay that sort of did that
to me. He was a big seller, that already had the box packed before the
auction started, I guess. I didn't need the 5.25" floppy drive, becasue
I already had one. I told him that he could keep it, so I wouldn't have
to pay as much in shipping.... mind you I didn't ask to pay less than
the final bid price... just a smaller shipping cost to reflect the
weight of the drive that he got to keep. He wanted to charge me
something like $40 an hour to repack the box!! I figured well, he must
do a really good job packing everything just so. I told him, forget it,
just send it as is. I recived a huge box packed loosely, with all items
just tossed in with peanuts!!!! I was so mad. It couldn't have taken
him any time at all to pack the box, nothing was really protected, he
didn't even do anything to prevent penuts from getting into the floppy
drives! On top of that the computer was very abused. For some reason,
I didn't leave negative feedback, I can't remember why, Though.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
4:35 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
If the seller is shipping to USA, Canada, UK and some other odd places by
UPS you have to have a zip (postal) code to calculate the shipping. If
shipping by USPS to another country it doesn't matter, just the country.
Seems real weird to me that if I sent a package by USPS from detroit to
Windsor Ontario it would cost the same as shipping from the Keys on Florida
to the NW territories - gotta wonder why people prefer UPS, FedEx, DHl and
others over the postal service.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:57 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Lawrence Walker wrote:
Why do US sellers ask for your ZIP code ?
Thats how we know where you live. Cost might not vary as much with
International shipping, by zip code, but I would think that a zip from
Vancouver would cost more than a zip from Toronto, for me.
One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big
shipping and handling
charge. I sometimes wonder if that is how they really make their money.
I've passed on many desired things due to that rip-off.
This only really irritates me when I get the package and it is packed
badly. I bought an Apple //gs from a guy on Ebay that sort of did that
to me. He was a big seller, that already had the box packed before the
auction started, I guess. I didn't need the 5.25" floppy drive, becasue
I already had one. I told him that he could keep it, so I wouldn't have
to pay as much in shipping.... mind you I didn't ask to pay less than
the final bid price... just a smaller shipping cost to reflect the
weight of the drive that he got to keep. He wanted to charge me
something like $40 an hour to repack the box!! I figured well, he must
do a really good job packing everything just so. I told him, forget it,
just send it as is. I recived a huge box packed loosely, with all items
just tossed in with peanuts!!!! I was so mad. It couldn't have taken
him any time at all to pack the box, nothing was really protected, he
didn't even do anything to prevent penuts from getting into the floppy
drives! On top of that the computer was very abused. For some reason,
I didn't leave negative feedback, I can't remember why, Though.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA 
7:33 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Don't forget that most of the British Commonwealth members use postal
codes. Places like India.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
If the seller is shipping to USA, Canada, UK and some
other odd places by
UPS you have to have a zip (postal) code to calculate the shipping. If
shipping by USPS to another country it doesn't matter, just the country.
Seems real weird to me that if I sent a package by USPS from detroit to
Windsor Ontario it would cost the same as shipping from the Keys on Florida
to the NW territories - gotta wonder why people prefer UPS, FedEx, DHl and
others over the postal service.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:57 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Lawrence Walker wrote:
Why do US sellers ask for your ZIP code ?
Thats how we know where you live. Cost might not vary as much with
International shipping, by zip code, but I would think that a zip from
Vancouver would cost more than a zip from Toronto, for me.
One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big
shipping and handling
charge. I sometimes wonder if that is how they really make their money.
I've passed on many desired things due to that rip-off.
This only really irritates me when I get the package and it is packed
badly. I bought an Apple //gs from a guy on Ebay that sort of did that
to me. He was a big seller, that already had the box packed before the
auction started, I guess. I didn't need the 5.25" floppy drive, becasue
I already had one. I told him that he could keep it, so I wouldn't have
to pay as much in shipping.... mind you I didn't ask to pay less than
the final bid price... just a smaller shipping cost to reflect the
weight of the drive that he got to keep. He wanted to charge me
something like $40 an hour to repack the box!! I figured well, he must
do a really good job packing everything just so. I told him, forget it,
just send it as is. I recived a huge box packed loosely, with all items
just tossed in with peanuts!!!! I was so mad. It couldn't have taken
him any time at all to pack the box, nothing was really protected, he
didn't even do anything to prevent penuts from getting into the floppy
drives! On top of that the computer was very abused. For some reason,
I didn't leave negative feedback, I can't remember why, Though.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
25 Apr
25 Apr
8:26 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
UPS's site for calculating shows an asterisk next to the country name if it
will need a zip or postal code. I haven't looked but you'd think that Russia
and China would ask for something like that, as big as they are.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vance Dereksen
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:33 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Don't forget that most of the British Commonwealth members use postal
codes. Places like India.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
If the seller is shipping to USA, Canada, UK and
some other odd
places by
UPS you have to have a zip (postal) code to
calculate the shipping. If
shipping by USPS to another country it doesn't matter, just the country.
Seems real weird to me that if I sent a package by USPS from detroit to
Windsor Ontario it would cost the same as shipping from the
Keys on Florida
to the NW territories - gotta wonder why people
prefer UPS,
FedEx, DHl and
others over the postal service.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:57 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
>
>
>
>
> Lawrence Walker wrote:
> > Why do US sellers ask for your ZIP code ?
>
> Thats how we know where you live. Cost might not vary as much with
> International shipping, by zip code, but I would think that a zip from
> Vancouver would cost more than a zip from Toronto, for me.
>
> > One of my big beefs are the guys that ask a big shipping
and handling
> > charge. I sometimes wonder if that is
how they really make
their money.
> > I've passed on many desired things
due to that rip-off.
>
>
> This only really irritates me when I get the package and it is packed
> badly. I bought an Apple //gs from a guy on Ebay that sort
of did that
> to me. He was a big seller, that already
had the box packed
before the
> auction started, I guess. I didn't need
the 5.25" floppy
drive, becasue
> I already had one. I told him that he could
keep it, so I
wouldn't have
> to pay as much in shipping.... mind you I
didn't ask to pay less than
> the final bid price... just a smaller shipping cost to reflect the
> weight of the drive that he got to keep. He wanted to charge me
> something like $40 an hour to repack the box!! I figured
well, he must
> do a really good job packing everything just
so. I told him,
forget it,
> just send it as is. I recived a huge box
packed loosely,
with all items
> just tossed in with peanuts!!!! I was so
mad. It couldn't have taken
> him any time at all to pack the box, nothing was really protected, he
> didn't even do anything to prevent penuts from getting into the floppy
> drives! On top of that the computer was very abused. For
some reason,
I
didn't leave negative feedback, I can't remember why, Though.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
24 Apr
24 Apr
5:33 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Chad Fernandez wrote:
This only really irritates me when I get the package and it is packed
badly.
The worst packing job I've ever seen in all of my 31 years was when I
picked up a C64/1541 combo on EBay a few months back. The seller had
run a little over 50 auctions at that time, not a lot, but usually more
than enough for a few negative feedbacks to creep in.
Anyway, this guy simply went to his local grocery store, got hold of a
seriously flimsy cardboard box, and proceeded to place the computer and
drive in the bottom of said box (in that order too). And that was
it--no packing material what-so-ever!!! (I guess I should've been
happy he actually sealed the carton with a single piece of packing
tape...)
Even so, that battle-tank of a 1541 was still in alignment when it got
here. (Then again, I've seen one tumble down a flight of stairs and
still pass a mechanical performance test.) You have to love any
hardware that could be used as a ballistic weapon in a pinch, and still
boot. ;)
-Chris Caldwell
5:49 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
You know the wedge shape of the C64 is also excellent for use as a wheel
chock when you work on your car (grin). I can't believe that the unit made
it without busting all of the keys off having the drive on top of it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of hardwire(a)ptd.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 4:34 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Chad Fernandez wrote:
This only really irritates me when I get the package and it is packed
badly.
The worst packing job I've ever seen in all of my 31 years was when I
picked up a C64/1541 combo on EBay a few months back. The seller had
run a little over 50 auctions at that time, not a lot, but usually more
than enough for a few negative feedbacks to creep in.
Anyway, this guy simply went to his local grocery store, got hold of a
seriously flimsy cardboard box, and proceeded to place the computer and
drive in the bottom of said box (in that order too). And that was
it--no packing material what-so-ever!!! (I guess I should've been
happy he actually sealed the carton with a single piece of packing
tape...)
Even so, that battle-tank of a 1541 was still in alignment when it got
here. (Then again, I've seen one tumble down a flight of stairs and
still pass a mechanical performance test.) You have to love any
hardware that could be used as a ballistic weapon in a pinch, and still
boot. ;)
-Chris Caldwell
7:16 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Russ Blakeman wrote:
You know the wedge shape of the C64 is also excellent for use as a wheel
chock when you work on your car (grin). I can't believe that the unit made
it without busting all of the keys off having the drive on top of it.
Actually, all of the keycaps were intact if I remember correctly.
(Which is a little strange come to think of it...)
The real irony was that I'd bought both pieces for the 'look' of their
outer cases. (Read: non-yellowed, non-cracked, etc.) At that time, I
was cobbling together a 'factory-fresh' looking/working 64 system by
picking up whatever I could find on the cheap. (Some free, some EBay.)
Both the computer and the drive appeared pretty good in the auction
photos (as much as one can tell), but by the time they arrived here
they were fairly scuffed and marred. Aside from that, the only real
damage was that a few of the plastic 'hinges' that secure the 64's case
had snapped off clean. Plus, the bottom vent slats on the 1541 were
cracked. (At least the final auction price was low...)
-Chris
6:38 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
WOW! That is almost inconceivable!
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
hardwire(a)ptd.net wrote:
Anyway, this guy simply went to his local grocery
store, got hold of a
seriously flimsy cardboard box, and proceeded to place the computer and
drive in the bottom of said box (in that order too). And that was
it--no packing material what-so-ever!!! (I guess I should've been
happy he actually sealed the carton with a single piece of packing
tape...)
Even so, that battle-tank of a 1541 was still in alignment when it got
here. (Then again, I've seen one tumble down a flight of stairs and
still pass a mechanical performance test.) You have to love any
hardware that could be used as a ballistic weapon in a pinch, and still
boot. ;)
-Chris Caldwell
8:16 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
The initial qualification test for the DVD-ROM drive in the new XBox
involved dropping it from waist high onto the floor. After it passed
that test, the drive was dropped from above the head and it still
worked!
I guess MS expects some rough treatment of their game console :)
clint
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
WOW! That is almost inconceivable!
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
hardwire(a)ptd.net wrote:
Anyway, this guy simply went to his local grocery
store, got hold of a
seriously flimsy cardboard box, and proceeded to place the computer and
drive in the bottom of said box (in that order too). And that was
it--no packing material what-so-ever!!! (I guess I should've been
happy he actually sealed the carton with a single piece of packing
tape...)
Even so, that battle-tank of a 1541 was still in alignment when it got
here. (Then again, I've seen one tumble down a flight of stairs and
still pass a mechanical performance test.) You have to love any
hardware that could be used as a ballistic weapon in a pinch, and still
boot. ;)
-Chris Caldwell
23 Apr
23 Apr
3:03 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
Cost is one of the biggies and when they see what the shipping is for an
item they won for $50 they freak and back out. Been there, done that, no
more. The buyers outside the US/Canada will always have other sellers such
as yourself to buy from.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of ip500
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:37 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
What's the problem with International shipping???? The World's a big
place and MANY eBay buyers are not US based. I ALWAYS put "Will Ship
Internationaly" in my auction copy and have had several hundred
successful
International transactions. USPS up to 20 kilos is usually pretty
reasonable. "Small Packet" may be gone but "Letter post" has
replaced
it.
Global Priority is also good for small items and is only $9 for up to 2
pounds.
Big stuff can go DHL, Emery Worldwide, FedEx or any number
of freight
consolidators ... It's really no big deal! As long as a foreign
bidder is willing to pay the shipping ... What's the Problem???
Craig
Russ Blakeman wrote:
I think any of us that have sold a dozen or more items on ebay,
yahoo, etc
are all sitting back smiling as we've done
the same. I post
(very clearly)
that shipping is to "USA 48 states
only" or "USA and APO/FPO
only" or USA,
APO/FPO and Canada only" etc to have a
person in New Zealand
bid on the item
and win it. I don't much care if they bid and
get outbid as the
total comes
up a few bucks. Really you shouldn't have to
do all of this as
with ebay's
fees and separate international auction sites
they should have
already had
things in place that if their location
doesn't match the assigned
shipping/selling locations that it prevents them from bidding,
or at least
warns them that they are about to bid on an item
that will only
be shipped
> to locations other than theirs.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:53 AM
> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> > Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
> >
> >
> > At 09:29 PM 4/22/01 +0000, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
> > >That seller should have put a notice stating "shipping in States
> > >only". Fact is, he didn't say this limitation and ebay is open
to
> > >whole world. Ebay always says to sellers and buyers to please
> > >contact each other asap after the conclusion of this auction.
> >
> > It's kinda funny that you think eBay buyers read the
> > auction descriptions and fine print.
> >
> > I can't tell you how many times I've said "USA only" and had
> > international bidders and winners, or how many buyers want to
> > back out because of regret combined with an inability to read
> > the description, or who can't read the e-mail I send them that
> > says "US Mail or UPS, your choice" or "Shipping is $8" -
rapidly
> > followed by their e-mail that says "How much is shipping?"...
> > and then the "USA only" international buyer wants you to falsify the
> > export document so they don't have to pay customs fees.
> >
> > You can get really screwed by international shipments
> > on inexpensive items - without lots of insurance and receipts,
> > who's to say the item didn't arrive? Ten+ years ago, I seem
> > to remember the Amiga market being scammed by Italian buyers
> > who'd claim over and over that their product never arrived.
> >
> > I was also bit by the recent dramatic change in the US Post Office's
> > rate for international shipments. Once upon a time, you could
> > send an item of a pound or so almost anywhere in the world
> > under the "small packet" rate. This is now gone, and rates
> > for sending abroad seem to have doubled or tripled.
> >
> > - John
> > 
3:48 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
John Foust wrote:
I can't tell you how many times I've said
"USA only" and had
international bidders and winners, or how many buyers want to
back out because of regret combined with an inability to read
the description, or who can't read the e-mail I send them that
says "US Mail or UPS, your choice" or "Shipping is $8" - rapidly
followed by their e-mail that says "How much is shipping?"...
and then the "USA only" international buyer wants you to falsify the
export document so they don't have to pay customs fees.
Jerome Fine replies:
On the other hand, what about a vendor who specifies that payment
via Master Card/Visa, Money Order, etc. are acceptable, and later
in the text also adds that PayPal is allowed as well, but never says
that Master Card/Visa MUST be used via PayPal. One Vendor
I purchased from added that restriction AFTER the auction and
then turned around and said "that because no one else has ever
complained, I was not allowed to do so either" and that PayPal
was clearly stated. Yes, PayPal can been clearly stated as an option,
but many other vendors do so as well. Some vendors mention
both (as he did) and others mention ONLY Master Card/VISA.
Also, I have never asked a vendor to submit a false export document,
but I have asked that they verify that they would put ONLY the
declared value of the shipment on the "Commercial Invoice" to Canada
and not include the handling and freight - which is exactly what the
customs people want to have. When a shipment is made to Canada
and the declared value is less than $ US 12.00 ($ Can 20.00), customs
does not bother to collect GST ($ Can 1.40). This saves two things.
It speeds up customs by a whole day Also, a broker is not needed
to clear the parcel which can be 5 or even 10 times the GST cost,
since the brokerage charge is based on the amount of GST to be
collected and can be 3 or even 5 times the amount of the GST.
4:06 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 03:48 PM 4/23/01 -0400, Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> wrote:
On the other hand, what about a vendor who specifies
that payment
via Master Card/Visa, Money Order, etc. are acceptable, and later
in the text also adds that PayPal is allowed as well, but never says
that Master Card/Visa MUST be used via PayPal.
I think I've had a bidder confused because PayPal's logo GIF
includes the MC/VISA logos. I just pasted PayPal's HTML into
my description in order to get the click-me PayPal logo, but it
caused PayPal's MC/VISA logos to appear, too.
- John
4:44 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
I've been using Billpoint and although a half percent higher in fee and a
delay in check clearing it's just as easy and no limit for free accounts on
how much you accept in credit cards. It's tied to Ebay too and anyone
verified as an ebay user is 90% there to using Billpoint as all they need is
the finishes to open a Billpoint account. When I pay for an auction thru my
checking I use Paypal as it is automatic with no 3-4 day wait for clearing
(and no fee for me as buyer).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 3:06 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 03:48 PM 4/23/01 -0400, Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> wrote:
On the other hand, what about a vendor who
specifies that payment
via Master Card/Visa, Money Order, etc. are acceptable, and later
in the text also adds that PayPal is allowed as well, but never says
that Master Card/Visa MUST be used via PayPal.
I think I've had a bidder confused because PayPal's logo GIF
includes the MC/VISA logos. I just pasted PayPal's HTML into
my description in order to get the click-me PayPal logo, but it
caused PayPal's MC/VISA logos to appear, too.
- John
1:16 p.m.
New subject: Resolved! Was: My first problem w/ ebay came up...
Re the Macvizion fuss:
That seller took sweet time and finally responded and I got email
Monday today, it landed in my emailbox when I was away all day
trolling for neato computer junk catch, turned up empty-handed and
miffed at our bus system for wasting 4 hours for 1 hour worth of
search. :-)
All ok now! Whew.
Cheers, :-D
Wizard
8:18 p.m.
New subject: Resolved! Was: My first problem w/ ebay came up...
I had a good experience with MacVizion; they are a business though,
so no surprise they don't do business on the weekend.
On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:16:43PM +0000, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
Re the Macvizion fuss:
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__) | | \________________________________________________________________
24 Apr
24 Apr
9:18 a.m.
New subject: Resolved! Was: My first problem w/ ebay came up...
See? Be calm. All things come to he who waits, and they did.
Anything worth doing today is worth doing two weeks from today. If it
isn't, it probably isn't worth doing at all. Festina lente.
On Mon, 23 Apr
2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
Re the Macvizion fuss:
That seller took sweet time and finally responded and I got email
Monday today, it landed in my emailbox when I was away all day
trolling for neato computer junk catch, turned up empty-handed and
miffed at our bus system for wasting 4 hours for 1 hour worth of
search. :-)
All ok now! Whew.
Cheers, :-D
Wizard
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
23 Apr
23 Apr
7:13 p.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
John Foust wrote:
At 03:48 PM 4/23/01 -0400, Jerome Fine
<jhfine(a)idirect.com> wrote:
Jerome Fine replies:
In this case, the Master Card/VISA was listed UP FRONT in the payment
methods without PayPal being even mentioned. Usually, if a vendor wants
to allow PayPal, then payment options says to see in the text and NO
plastic is mentioned at all since PayPal allows more than just plastic.
But this vendor seemed to think that because PayPal was mentioned in the
text and he was in the US where PayPal is a reasonable option in most cases,
then it was OK for outside the US as well as a requirement and that PayPal
was equivalent in all aspects - which it is not - and this was before PayPal
was even allowed outside the US. Now, although PayPal is available outside
the US, there are extra charges to use it even if, so I understand, the purchaser
pays in US dollars.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
On the other hand, what about a vendor who
specifies that payment
via Master Card/Visa, Money Order, etc. are acceptable, and later
in the text also adds that PayPal is allowed as well, but never says
that Master Card/Visa MUST be used via PayPal.
I think I've had a bidder
confused because PayPal's logo GIF
includes the MC/VISA logos. I just pasted PayPal's HTML into
my description in order to get the click-me PayPal logo, but it
caused PayPal's MC/VISA logos to appear, too.
8:21 a.m.
New subject: My first problem w/ ebay came up... needs your advices
At 07:14 PM 4/22/01 +0000, you wrote:
The problem is seller isn't responding to any of my
emails except for
one email from them without any replies to my emails.
-snip
Wizard
I have done business with these people and they were OK. They
were somewhat slow to answer emails, but were readily reachable
on the phone during business hours.
Carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
22 Apr
22 Apr
6:58 p.m.
I'm slightly happy in that I got my paws on the
above machine today,
complete with a CD, MacinStore hard drive and Magneto-Optical drive. What
I'm not slightly happy about is that I discovered later on that because the
SCSI on the IIfx is 3 times quicker than the SCSI on other MacIIs I need the
special 'black' terminator to make it all work. I remember the terminator
being in a box of cables but because I didn't know it was necessary I didn't
pick it up and the chances of it being there next week are slim.
Begging time - anyone got a spare? :)
Sure, but....
Try it first with a regular terminator and see if it doesn't work just
fine. SCSI voodoo and all that stuff, you really can't predict what will or
won't work (unless you have Granite SCSI cables like I do, neener neener).
If you still really need one, and can't find it in the UK, I have them,
just email me directly and I will see what shipping etc. looks like.
What kind of MO drive did you get?
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