25 Oct
2021
25 Oct
'21
11:43 p.m.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
No connection with the seller, apart from having bought one of them already.
ok
bear.
26 Oct
26 Oct
3:29 a.m.
On 26/10/2021 07:43, r.stricklin via cctech wrote
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice
which weren't black (were white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
"Unable to test. Some yellowing"
That needs some serious cleaning ... although that would then expose
even more yellowing :-)
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
6:49 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:01 AM Antonio Carlini via cctech <
cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 26/10/2021 07:43, r.stricklin via cctech wrote
"Unable to test. Some
yellowing"
That needs some serious cleaning ... although that would then expose
even more yellowing :-)
I bought some of his stuff, but I picked it up. No complaints, it cleaned
up nicely. Try "make an offer"...
Antonio
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2
mice which weren't black
(were white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
27 Oct
27 Oct
8:07 p.m.
On Oct 26, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Rico Pajarola via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I bought some of his stuff, but I picked it up. No complaints, it cleaned
up nicely. Try "make an offer"...
As have I, got a Sun-2 monitor too! He should list his whole stock, not just one item at a
time. (I gather he's got a few Sun-3/50, keyboards, mice, mouse pads, and a few HP
9000-340 too. Don't know if he has any more monitors than the Sun-2 monitor I bought
though.)
-- Chris
26 Oct
26 Oct
7:45 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha
11:14 a.m.
On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It doesn?t really look any worse than the ?hockey puck? mouse that?s now on my VAXstation
4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from, I?ve probably
had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago, when I went
looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn?t really want to touch it. The
cleaner mouse didn?t work.
Zane
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha 
11:20 a.m.
On Oct 26, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
FWIW: I don't know what the brown color comes from in this case, but I've in the
past cleaned up some electronics that was badly encrusted with tobacco smoke residue. A
very effective cleaner for that is Windex, which is also quite mild and unlikely to harm
any plastics. At an earlier time I used alcohol, which worked too but badly messed up a
plexiglass display cover on the device in question. Plexiglass is odd that way, it's
one of the few plastics that is damaged by ethanol.
paul
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It doesn?t really look any worse than the ?hockey puck? mouse that?s now on my VAXstation
4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from, I?ve probably
had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago, when I went
looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn?t really want to touch it. The
cleaner mouse didn?t work.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha
11:23 a.m.
On Oct 26, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
That?s good to know, as Isopropyl Alcohol is my go-to for cleaning electronics.
Zane
On Oct 26, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Zane Healy via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
FWIW: I don't know what the brown color comes from in this case, but I've in the
past cleaned up some electronics that was badly encrusted with tobacco smoke residue. A
very effective cleaner for that is Windex, which is also quite mild and unlikely to harm
any plastics. At an earlier time I used alcohol, which worked too but badly messed up a
plexiglass display cover on the device in question. Plexiglass is odd that way, it's
one of the few plastics that is damaged by ethanol.
paul
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It doesn?t really look any worse than the ?hockey puck? mouse that?s now on my VAXstation
4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from, I?ve probably
had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago, when I went
looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn?t really want to touch it. The
cleaner mouse didn?t work.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha 
11:34 a.m.
On 2021-10-26 2:23 p.m., Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
On Oct 26, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
That?s good to know, as Isopropyl Alcohol is my go-to for cleaning electronics.
I found to my chagrin that it can also take off some silk-screening.
--Toby
On Oct 26, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Zane Healy via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
FWIW: I don't know what the brown color comes from in this case, but I've in the
past cleaned up some electronics that was badly encrusted with tobacco smoke residue. A
very effective cleaner for that is Windex, which is also quite mild and unlikely to harm
any plastics. At an earlier time I used alcohol, which worked too but badly messed up a
plexiglass display cover on the device in question. Plexiglass is odd that way, it's
one of the few plastics that is damaged by ethanol.
paul
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
>
> Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha
It doesn?t really look any worse than the ?hockey puck? mouse that?s now on my VAXstation
4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from, I?ve probably
had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago, when I went
looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn?t really want to touch it. The
cleaner mouse didn?t work.
Zane
2:20 p.m.
On 10/26/21 11:14 AM, Zane Healy via cctech wrote:
On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I would be more concerned about paying $50 for an untested mouse.
The mouse that came with my 3/260 was yellowed but otherwise looked
fine. Unfortunately it doesn't work. Using UV light and hydrogen
peroxide, I was able to reverse the yellowing and it now looks great. I
still haven't restored the 3/260 enough to be able to use a mouse, but
someday ...
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via
cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It doesn?t really look any worse than the ?hockey puck? mouse that?s now on
my VAXstation 4000/90 did, before I cleaned it up. Not sure where I got that mouse from,
I?ve probably had it for 20+ years, especially given where I found it a few months ago,
when I went looking for one. It was disgusting enough that I didn?t really want to touch
it. The cleaner mouse didn?t work.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that
one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha
3:16 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 5:20 PM Alan Perry via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I would be more concerned about paying $50 for an untested mouse.
I half expect that the LEDs need to be replaced - that was a common
problem with this type of mouse. The IR LED in particular was driven
hard and dimmed with age after a few years of being powered on.
That's an easy and expected fix. What would be entirely uncool, and
was the reason I didn't drop $65 incl postage on it, is if the cable
had damage to it. That's the part that's unique to the Sun3, the
cable and connector.
The mouse that came with my 3/260 was yellowed but
otherwise looked
fine. Unfortunately it doesn't work.
Even if the LEDs light up, a mouse that won't track can still have
worn-out LEDs. Definitely check that first. If it's totally inert
(no bits of any kind, not even button clicks), then that's a different
matter.
I still haven't restored the 3/260 enough to be
able to use a mouse, but
someday ...
I got around to fixing up my 3/60 to bring to VCF a couple of years
ago, but I had to borrow a suitable mouse.
The other angle I have is to finish my DA15-DIN8 converter so I can
use a newer mouse/keyboard. I _have_ a Sun3 keyboard (cost me more
than the 3/60!) and I like to have that for exhibition, but just to
use the machine, I don't mind using a Sun4 or Sun5 keyboard with it.
-ethan
28 Oct
28 Oct
7 a.m.
On Oct 26, 2021, at 15:16, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks
at gmail.com> wrote:
That's an easy and expected fix. What would be entirely uncool, and
was the reason I didn't drop $65 incl postage on it, is if the cable
had damage to it. That's the part that's unique to the Sun3, the
cable and connector.
Aside from the posts on the side of the connector, what is unique about the cable and
connector? What?s the deal with those posts? Aside from them, it looks like a 6P4C with
only three leads connected.
alan
2 p.m.
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:00 AM Alan Perry <aperry at snowmoose.com> wrote:
Aside from the posts on the side of the connector,
what is unique about the cable and connector? What?s the deal with those posts? Aside from
them, it looks like a 6P4C with only three leads connected.
AFAIK, the posts are there so you don't plug your mouse into a phone
jack or a modem port. There are cutouts on the back of the Sun3
keyboard to admit that connector.
One could almost certainly start with a 6P4C cable and fix up the
mouse end and re-use a Sun4 mouse, but for show/display purposes, it
would be clearly a substitute.
That's why my original plan for home use was to make a Sun4 keyboard
cable adapter - if it's just me, I can use a newer keyboard/mouse.
-ethan
2:22 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 05:00:26PM -0400, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 10:00 AM Alan Perry <aperry
at snowmoose.com> wrote:
I am using a MiniDIN-8(F) to 6P4C (without those posts) cable I made to
connect a type 4 mouse to my type 3 keyboard. Works perfectly. I think
I found the pinouts for type 3 and type 4 mice in the SUN Hardware
Reference? If anyone has trouble figuring it out I can measure the
connections on my adapter and post them.
Cheers,
--
Malte Dehling
<mdehling at gmail.com>
Aside from the posts on the side of the
connector, what is unique about the cable and connector? What?s the deal with those posts?
Aside from them, it looks like a 6P4C with only three leads connected.
AFAIK, the posts are there so you don't plug your mouse into a phone
jack or a modem port. There are cutouts on the back of the Sun3
keyboard to admit that connector.
One could almost certainly start with a 6P4C cable and fix up the
mouse end and re-use a Sun4 mouse, but for show/display purposes, it
would be clearly a substitute. 
26 Oct
26 Oct
11:17 a.m.
I may have a sun3 mouse/pad you can have... I'll look.
--tom
On 10/26/21 9:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctech wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via
cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that
one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha
1:04 p.m.
Located. It was actually sold for Prime Computer and is black, but is new in box with
pad.
Mouse Systems MSC 401162-019/B with the 6 pin RJ11ish connector that I believe was used on
Sun3 systems.
Let me know you address if you are interested.
--tom
On 10/26/21 9:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctech wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via
cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that
one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha
28 Oct
28 Oct
1:46 p.m.
Hi, Tom,
Thanks!
Yes. Sun3 mouse has RJ-11ish connector. It plugs into the keyboard which
has a DA15 for the host. Totally different plugs from Sun4 and later.
Ethan Dicks
2447 N. 4th St.
Columbus OH 43202
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 01:09 Tom Uban via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Located. It was actually sold for Prime Computer and
is black, but is new
in box with pad.
Mouse Systems MSC 401162-019/B with the 6 pin RJ11ish connector that I
believe was used on Sun3 systems.
Let me know you address if you are interested.
--tom
On 10/26/21 9:45 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctech wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via
cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
>
> Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black
(were white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks
like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
-etha
26 Oct
26 Oct
1:40 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 10:45 AM Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:43 AM r.stricklin via
cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Looks like someone got it. I figured it wouldn't last long.
Really, I can get away with a cable adapter and a Sun4 mouse, or I
think I have a Sun4 mouse or two that someone cut the cable off of
that can be rewired with the right jack.
-ethan
https://www.ebay.com/sch/xi_jinping/m.html?item=334195034340&hash=item4…
Hadn't realized before that there were Sun-2 mice which weren't black (were
white/beige). I know some folks are looking.
I am in need of a Sun3 mouse but that one looks like it got pulled out
from under the porch.
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