27 Feb
2009
27 Feb
'09
7:54 p.m.
Hi all; I realize that this sorta overlaps with a previous thread or
two, but I thought I'd start a new one rather than practice
necromancy.
So, I've got both a VAXstation 4000-60 and an AlphaStation 250 here
and after playing with it for a bit I've decided I don't really care
for VMS so much that I want it on both of them. I'd like to find an
interesting, preferably AT&T-style UNIX to run on one of them, so I'm
hoping some of you can help me figure out my options. So far, I know I
can run:
-NetBSD
-Probably some DEC/HP UNIXes (Tru64 on the Alpha?).
I'd really appreciate perspectives on these different systems,
user/admin experience, etc. I'm not looking to accomplish anything in
particular here, I just want something to play around with on my DEC
hardware while I wait for the PDP-11 :)
Thanks
John Floren
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27 Feb
27 Feb
8:02 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:54:59PM -0500, John Floren wrote:
So, I've got both a VAXstation 4000-60 and an
AlphaStation 250 here
and after playing with it for a bit I've decided I don't really care
for VMS so much that I want it on both of them. I'd like to find an
interesting, preferably AT&T-style UNIX to run on one of them, so I'm
hoping some of you can help me figure out my options.
I run OpenBSD on my VAXstation 4000-60. It ran acceptably when I had 16
MB of RAM on it, and it runs very well now that I have 104 MB. The
machine is a little slow to be running X, but as a shell computer, it's
a pretty fun plaything.
Jim
8:47 p.m.
At 10:54 PM -0500 2/27/09, John Floren wrote:
So, I've got both a VAXstation 4000-60 and an
AlphaStation 250 here
and after playing with it for a bit I've decided I don't really care
for VMS so much that I want it on both of them. I'd like to find an
interesting, preferably AT&T-style UNIX to run on one of them, so I'm
hoping some of you can help me figure out my options. So far, I know I
can run:
-NetBSD
-Probably some DEC/HP UNIXes (Tru64 on the Alpha?).
I'd really appreciate perspectives on these different systems,
user/admin experience, etc. I'm not looking to accomplish anything in
particular here, I just want something to play around with on my DEC
hardware while I wait for the PDP-11 :)
UNIX is a waste of good DEC hardware! :-) DEC never sold a UNIX
variant that would run on a VAXstation 4000/60. I think NetBSD and
OpenBSD will both run on it. I'll confess that OpenBSD at least used
to rock on Alpha and can handle a machine with less RAM than OpenVMS
expects. Your choice of OS's are a lot wider for the Alpha.
As for a PDP-11, I recommend RT-11, RSTS/E, or RSX-11M+, not UNIX.
For UNIX get a Sun or SGI system, in other words cool hardware that
only runs UNIX. I did buy a nice DECstation 5000/133 (a MIPS box)
years ago to run NetBSD. I wonder what happened to that machine...
Zane
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11:34 p.m.
Yeah, and we see how that approach worked out for DEC.... :-)
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Zane H. Healy [healyzh at aracnet.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:47 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: UNIX for the VAXstation or AlphaStation
At 10:54 PM -0500 2/27/09, John Floren wrote:
So, I've got both a VAXstation 4000-60 and an
AlphaStation 250 here
and after playing with it for a bit I've decided I don't really care
for VMS so much that I want it on both of them. I'd like to find an
interesting, preferably AT&T-style UNIX to run on one of them, so I'm
hoping some of you can help me figure out my options. So far, I know I
can run:
-NetBSD
-Probably some DEC/HP UNIXes (Tru64 on the Alpha?).
I'd really appreciate perspectives on these different systems,
user/admin experience, etc. I'm not looking to accomplish anything in
particular here, I just want something to play around with on my DEC
hardware while I wait for the PDP-11 :)
UNIX is a waste of good DEC hardware! :-)
[snip]
2 Mar
2 Mar
12:33 a.m.
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:54:59 -0500
John Floren <slawmaster at gmail.com> wrote:
So, I've got both a VAXstation 4000-60 and an
AlphaStation 250
Ultrix does not support the VS4k60. Your choice is NetBSD or
OpenBSD.
At least NetBSD should run fine on the Alpha. But I recommend to have a
look at Tru64. I used it for two years as my main desktop OS. Tru64 has
a nice BSD flavor...
-NetBSD
At the moment you want NetBSD-current on
the VAX. There have benn some
substantial bugfixes to NetBSD/VAX during the last weeks. I am not sure
if they will go into the soon to be released NetBSD 5.0. Look for the
latest binary snapshoot at:
http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/HEAD/
-Probably some DEC/HP UNIXes (Tru64 on the Alpha?).
If you go Tru64 make sure you get as much RAM as you can...
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