That was my point #1: Buy a product that you know with a known distribution path from the manufacturer. That's why I like Kodak over Mitsui. (Not that it'd be impossible to find a list of official Mitsui dealers, but Kodak has a bunch of old-school distributors who work just fine for me. And there have been rumors - with little to nothing to back them up - that many of the Mitsui-branded disks being sold in the US now were actually made in one of the lower-tier plants in Taiwan.) OTOH I buy in quantities of 500-1000 every few months, and I don't want to take the risk with that amount of money that I'm buying junk. Sometimes I do buy a spindle of the cheap junk just to see who made it that week. The Imation stuff (yes, Imation, the company that used to be the Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing company that made top-name media for years) was crappy CMC Magnetics junk according to the ATIP code the week I bought it, and I've not touched their branded CD-R's since. The IBM no-names (hey, you ought to tell that I've got high standards when I call IBM a risky also-ran!) turned out to be Ricoh phthalocyanine disks, so sometimes the cheap junk might not be all that bad. Lose the CompUSA junk. They do light up nicely in the Microwave, though :-). Tim.