20 Dec
2021
20 Dec
'21
6:32 p.m.
I think I should pass on my experience as a warning to others.
I googled around for a particular PDP-11 board I needed and tamayatech.com
was a hit, with "buy now" option and condition: refurbished. Seemed
convincing and the price was in the sane ballpark. So I bought it, paid
through their ecommerce routine, etc.
Sent a mail thanking them and asking if it would be despatched soon as I
had work time off in the coming week.. No reply.
Waited a week and telephoned their phone number from the purchase
confirmation email. No answer. Left message.
Several (well over ten) repeated email and phone contact attempts through
the last months (this began early November) to no avail. There has been
absolutely no response. So my conclusion: it looks as though they took my
credit card and never shipped it, then just ignored me. I hope the fellow's
okay but feel quite thoroughly ripped off.
So 'buyer' beware.
Interestingly their SEO is rather well maintained and punching DEC part
numbers into Google, etc. often results in a hit to their site. So they're
at least keeping that part of the business updated.
Anybody else with similar experience? Any way to rectify the situation?
thx
jake
20 Dec
20 Dec
6:48 p.m.
You can always call the credit card company and dispute the charge.
--
Anders
On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 9:33 PM Jacob Ritorto via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think I should pass on my experience as a warning to
others.
I googled around for a particular PDP-11 board I needed and tamayatech.com
was a hit, with "buy now" option and condition: refurbished. Seemed
convincing and the price was in the sane ballpark. So I bought it, paid
through their ecommerce routine, etc.
Sent a mail thanking them and asking if it would be despatched soon as I
had work time off in the coming week.. No reply.
Waited a week and telephoned their phone number from the purchase
confirmation email. No answer. Left message.
Several (well over ten) repeated email and phone contact attempts through
the last months (this began early November) to no avail. There has been
absolutely no response. So my conclusion: it looks as though they took my
credit card and never shipped it, then just ignored me. I hope the fellow's
okay but feel quite thoroughly ripped off.
So 'buyer' beware.
Interestingly their SEO is rather well maintained and punching DEC part
numbers into Google, etc. often results in a hit to their site. So they're
at least keeping that part of the business updated.
Anybody else with similar experience? Any way to rectify the situation?
thx
jake
21 Dec
21 Dec
5:27 a.m.
On 12/20/21 9:32 PM, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote:
Interestingly their SEO is rather well maintained and punching DEC part
numbers into Google, etc. often results in a hit to their site. So they're
at least keeping that part of the business updated.
That shouldn't be taken as meaning anything. If I search for
anything using google I get hits from ebay claiming they have
it to sell. I have had the same experience in the past with
some of the better known DEC resellers. Search for anything
using google and they come up in the results as having them
for sale. A search then on their own site returns nothing.
bill
26 Dec
26 Dec
10:33 a.m.
Hi Jacob and list,
some years ago, I was also interested in some of their boards.
The first thing I usually do with companies I didn't deal with, yet, is to contact
them with questions to see if I get an answer and of what type it is.
From tamayatech, I never got any answers.
Thus,
I never ordered anything.
PinnacleMicro was very different and a pleasure to deal with, but unfortunately, they
dropped the DEC equipment support. I wonder where all their remaining equipment went to.
Probably to some other support vendors. There are only a handful left regarding some
bigger ones, to my knowledge.
Cheers,
Pierre
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Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, 03:33:18 MEZ hat Jacob Ritorto via cctalk <cctalk at
classiccmp.org> Folgendes geschrieben:
I think I should pass on my experience as a warning to others.
I googled around for a particular PDP-11 board I needed and tamayatech.com
was a hit, with "buy now" option and condition: refurbished.? Seemed
convincing and the price was in the sane ballpark.? So I bought it, paid
through their ecommerce routine, etc.
Sent a mail thanking them and asking if it would be despatched soon as I
had work time off in the coming week..? No reply.
Waited a week and telephoned their phone number from the purchase
confirmation email.? No answer.? Left message.
Several (well over ten) repeated email and phone contact attempts through
the last months (this began early November) to no avail.? There has been
absolutely no response.? So my conclusion: it looks as though they took my
credit card and never shipped it, then just ignored me. I hope the fellow's
okay but feel quite thoroughly ripped off.
So 'buyer' beware.
Interestingly their SEO is rather well maintained and punching DEC part
numbers into Google, etc. often results in a hit to their site.? So they're
at least keeping that part of the business updated.
Anybody else with similar experience?? Any way to rectify the situation?
thx
jake
10:44 a.m.
I don't know who is left, but a friend who has a system running on a
DS-20 alpha system migrated off the hardware as the vendor supporting
them was withdrawing support (finally) for that and some others.? But
they also supported hardware replacement for them, and migrated them to
Intel servers.
They did this about April last year.? I have the old Alpha, but don't
expect to get much other than off ebay should I need parts.
I don't know the support company, or where they were getting parts,
their own, or working with such as you all mention.
thanks
Jim
On 12/26/2021 10:33 AM, P Gebhardt via cctalk wrote:
PinnacleMicro was very different and a pleasure to
deal with, but unfortunately, they dropped the DEC equipment support. I wonder where all
their remaining equipment went to. Probably to some other support vendors. There are only
a handful left regarding some bigger ones, to my knowledge.
11:18 a.m.
On 12/20/21 8:32 PM, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote:
I think I should pass on my experience as a warning to
others.
I googled around for a particular PDP-11 board I needed and tamayatech.com
was a hit, with "buy now" option and condition: refurbished.
Side question, if I may, but what does "refurbished" mean within the
context of sellers like this? Board [fully] tested and working? Or simply
"visually good"? Or have components such as electrolytic capacitors that
might be marginal from old age been tested and replaced with new components
where necessary?
thanks,
Jules
7:09 p.m.
Side question, if I may, but what does
"refurbished" mean within the
context of sellers like this? Board [fully] tested and working? Or
simply
"visually good"? Or have components such as electrolytic capacitors
that
might be marginal from old age been tested and replaced with new
components
where necessary?
It means the item is actually so worthless that if it doesn't work, we
refund you, we still make enough profit on S&H alone to justify the sale to
you. Seriously, none of these guys are looking or testing anything and you
would be nuts to think they would actually do any repairs.
-Ali
7:31 p.m.
Epay has messed the definitions up into a useless mess.
I'd expect? a vendor not selling on such to actually test the items.?
Whether they are warranted is a separate issue.
On ebay they've screwed over sellers to the point that it's all but
wasting time to list there unless you sell either really new stock, or
list as parts, junk only.
Any attempt to describe the item as refurbished will mean most buyer
will claim a problem, Ebay will refund them and screw you.
thanks
jim
On 12/26/2021 7:09 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
Side question,
if I may, but what does "refurbished" mean within the
context of sellers like this? Board [fully] tested and working? Or
simply
"visually good"? Or have components such as electrolytic capacitors
that
might be marginal from old age been tested and replaced with new
components
where necessary?
It means the item is actually so worthless that if it doesn't work, we
refund you, we still make enough profit on S&H alone to justify the sale to
you. Seriously, none of these guys are looking or testing anything and you
would be nuts to think they would actually do any repairs.
-Ali
7:49 p.m.
Epay has messed the definitions up into a useless
mess.
I'd expect a vendor not selling on such to actually test the items.
Whether they are warranted is a separate issue.
On ebay they've screwed over sellers to the point that it's all but
wasting time to list there unless you sell either really new stock, or
list as parts, junk only.
Any attempt to describe the item as refurbished will mean most buyer
will claim a problem, Ebay will refund them and screw you.
Not sure what you mean here. Refurbished means that a seller has brought an item to the
original operating specs and that the item will operate as it should. This is also
eBay's meaning of refurbished. So I am not sure why you think they "screwed"
it up.
The problem on eBay is that a seller will pull something out of a box that has been
sitting on a shelf in the warehouse, at most hit it with some compressed air to get rid of
dust, describe it as "refurbished" and list it for an exorbitant price. Whether
it works or functions as intended is of no concern to them. With some electronics you can
get away with this - simple add-on boards from the IBM PC era for example. Most of the
time they will work and if it doesn't well prices or so jacked up that one
non-refunded/completed sale will turn enough profit to cover the original S&H (which
is usually the sellers actual real loss) on ten returns and still return a profit. With
PSUs, whole systems, stuff with batteries this practice is more likely not to work.
Of course my personal favorites are the seller refurbished items that "worked the
last time used but no guarantees and are sold as is". LOL. Makeup your mind is it
refurbished or is it junk?
-Ali
9:30 p.m.
"worked the last time used but no guarantees and are sold as is"
Reminds me of the test and tag rip-off that has been embedded in
legislation.
It was OK when we tested it at 3pm on Tuesday afternoon Your Honor.
Gone are the days of personal accountability.
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 2:50 pm Ali via cctalk, <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Epay has
messed the definitions up into a useless mess.
I'd expect a vendor not selling on such to actually test the items.
Whether they are warranted is a separate issue.
On ebay they've screwed over sellers to the point that it's all but
wasting time to list there unless you sell either really new stock, or
list as parts, junk only.
Any attempt to describe the item as refurbished will mean most buyer
will claim a problem, Ebay will refund them and screw you.
Not sure what you mean here. Refurbished means that a seller has brought
an item to the original operating specs and that the item will operate as
it should. This is also eBay's meaning of refurbished. So I am not sure why
you think they "screwed" it up.
The problem on eBay is that a seller will pull something out of a box that
has been sitting on a shelf in the warehouse, at most hit it with some
compressed air to get rid of dust, describe it as "refurbished" and list it
for an exorbitant price. Whether it works or functions as intended is of no
concern to them. With some electronics you can get away with this - simple
add-on boards from the IBM PC era for example. Most of the time they will
work and if it doesn't well prices or so jacked up that one
non-refunded/completed sale will turn enough profit to cover the original
S&H (which is usually the sellers actual real loss) on ten returns and
still return a profit. With PSUs, whole systems, stuff with batteries this
practice is more likely not to work.
Of course my personal favorites are the seller refurbished items that
"worked the last time used but no guarantees and are sold as is". LOL.
Makeup your mind is it refurbished or is it junk?
-Ali
10 p.m.
On 12/26/21 9:30 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote:
"worked the last time used but no guarantees and
are sold as is"
Reminds me of the test and tag rip-off that has been embedded in
legislation.
It was OK when we tested it at 3pm on Tuesday afternoon Your Honor.
Gone are the days of personal accountability.
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 2:50 pm Ali via cctalk, <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I got a kick out of the eBay sellers flogging logic analyzers without
the pods, advertising them as "working". How can you tell?
--Chuck
10:04 p.m.
On Dec 26, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I got a kick out of the eBay sellers flogging logic analyzers without
the pods, advertising them as "working". How can you tell?
I guess that at least reveals sellers whose item condition statements cannot be trusted.
--
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27 Dec
27 Dec
2:04 p.m.
On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I got a kick out of the eBay sellers flogging logic
analyzers without
the pods, advertising them as "working". How can you tell?
It's painfully obvious! The power light came on. ;)
g.
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3:06 p.m.
..and don't forget the Amazon sellers. Why the other day I bought what I
thought was a MITS Altair from an Amazon seller. What a ripoff, it worked
right out of the box. No repairs needed. Sheesh.
Bill
On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 5:04 PM geneb via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I got a kick out of the eBay sellers flogging
logic analyzers without
the pods, advertising them as "working". How can you tell?
It's painfully obvious! The power light came on. ;)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
5:48 p.m.
On 2021-12-27 4:06 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
..and don't forget the Amazon sellers. Why the
other day I bought what I
thought was a MITS Altair from an Amazon seller. What a ripoff, it worked
right out of the box. No repairs needed. Sheesh.
Bill
And they don't even send PIZZA.
Is just me, but are the search engines finding not what is searched for
but just ads or just what is popular now days first, after all the
promos display.
Ben.
26 Dec
26 Dec
9:43 p.m.
On 12/26/2021 7:49 PM, Ali wrote:
Not sure what you mean here. Refurbished means that a
seller has brought an item to the original operating specs and that the item will operate
as it should. This is also eBay's meaning of refurbished. So I am not sure why you
think they "screwed" it up.
I have several friends who sell on ebay.? All
were screwed over by
buyers who used any other descriptions other than New or Parts only to
obtain refunds at the expense of them.? YMMV.
I agree with your definition, and if you read what I said, anywhere you
wish to use those definitions in a reasonable way that is what it should
mean.
And I separated another attribute, Warranty from that. Refurbishment
claims things that relate to warranty.? Is it certified by you on
shipping, and is a "theshold" warranty?? Is it for a certain period of
time to remain functioning?
Such questions are hard to agree on on very old equipment.? Also the
equipment such material is inserted into can be a big factor and wipe
out a good part, so you have to know as a vendor if you can trust the
situation you are shipping your parts into.? An experienced organization
who has done support and probably won't do something w/o care and
experience, or those who may not be able to.
I supported 8 ways for several years, and learned who I could trust when
something I tested good came back under warranty, and those I had to
deal with differently.
I just mentioned ebay as they make the definition there not much use.
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