29 Dec
1998
29 Dec
'98
7 a.m.
In a message dated 29/12/98 11:03:53 GMT Standard Time, tim(a)thereviewguide.com
writes:
Yes, I booted from a write protected floppy, but before that I did a
virus scan with a normal boot.
A basic precaution of which some are not aware.
And of course I don't use MS Anit Virus. IIRC,
it hasn't been
updated since 1992 when Windows 3.1 shipped!
Once again, you would be surprised how many people trust it.
Regards
Pete
29 Dec
29 Dec
10:41 a.m.
A basic precaution of which some are not aware.
Which most, with the exception of people who are relatively
technically inclined. I probably am, or close to, the least
technically knowledgeable person on the list, due to age,
inexperience, lack of intelligence, or a mixture. But if I were to go
on the streets almost anywhere, I'd be way above the average.
And of course
I don't use MS Anit Virus. IIRC, it hasn't been
updated since 1992 when Windows 3.1 shipped!
Once again, you would be surprised how many people trust it. 
1:14 p.m.
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4:30 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
It's not unheard-of for computer shops to
re-shrink-wrap software that's
been returned by a customer. And if that customer's PC has a virus....
Well, when I last was involved in such activities to _demonstrate_ the
software, we re-shrank packages regularly -- otherwise our support
people [well, me] couldn't learn the software enough to solve the
problems the customers _would_ have. Farzino, no customer ever
returned software except with hardware (we were not selling toys),
and not much hardware was returned.
PC viruses were yet in the future ('88,'89 they were just appearing
rumored in the Mac and Amiga universes), the biggest media problem
around was software with installation counters.
So it is worth virus-checking installation _floppy_
disks, just in case.
But I don't see how a CD-ROM could be infected. I've never receieved a
commercial software product of a CD-R, either, and would be _very_
suspicious if I did.
If the CD-ROM is mastered by an infected PC, as I recall happened
about 4-5 years back and I forget the products, as I wasn't using
them, the thing to get suspicious of is PC architecture.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
4:39 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Everybody on this list is unknowledgable about
something - and yes, even
some computer.
Anybody who knew _everything_ about _every_ computer discussed on
this list would not have any reason to even lurk. Unless it was a
perfect altruist, in which case I'd be very suspicious of any
information given.
I know _something_ about _some_ of the computers mentioned here,
although I'll be the first to admit that I'm better at history than
hardware, and my history is far from perfect.
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
30 Dec
30 Dec
3:21 a.m.
There is a big difference between lack of knowledge and
lack of
intellegence, even if the current so-called educational system manages to
confuse them. Being intellegent includes being sensible when faced with a
problem/situation that you've not come up against before, being able to
reason things out, and being able to obtain more knowledge. And the last
includes asking questions - I do not, and never will, consider asking
questions to be a mark of cluelessness.
Yeah, I know, but there is usually a limit to what someone can/cannot
learn. Many people's learning abilities will far outlast their lifetime...
and some just can't learn some stuff. For example, try teaching a bird to
read. You can't. Try all you will. It'll never be able to read ASCII
text. (Though my pet blue-and-gold maccaw sure likes watching TV!)
Everybody on this list is unknowledgable about
something - and yes, even
some computer.
Hehehe... yeah, but there are so many! I'm betting that you'd be hard
pressed to say get 5 of the most knowledgeable people on this list with a
computer that they'd never heard of, using an OS similiar, but not exact,
to any OS they've seen. (Seems that most popular OS's work in a similiar
way, such as how you can change between DIR and ls fairly easily, etc.
Sometimes not that related, but nothing's really far-out there.)
But equally, to be interested in classic computers at
all shows (IMHO) an
above-average intellegence and knowledge when it comes to computers. No
classic that I've ever seen has a point-and-drool GUI. You are going to
As of Jan 1, the 486 will be a classic. Windows 2.x is a classic, Windows
3.0 will be next year... Macs have had a point-and-click (not really drool,
per se, but..) GUI for quite a while (1984.)
have to work with command lines. To work without
complete/accurate
manuals - you may be able to go out at buy a <thingy> for dummies book if
<thingy> is Windows or Word or... but not if <thingy> is a PERQ or an
Apple ][ or an Altair or a C64 or ...
Hmm... well, the 'For Dummies' books are well intended, but I've found a
severe lack of books for the current level that I'm at. Yes, I know that
this is a mouse, keyboard, etc. There are lots of books like that. No,
I'm not a seasoned veteran-programmer. There seems to be relatively few
books inbetween.
But I get your point.
You may not want to go as far as some of us do
(re-writing processor
microcode, replacing hard disk heads, rebuilding SMPSUs, patching OS
binaries, etc, but you will certainly go a lot further than most computer
users.
You mean I can type? Joy. ;-)
OK, now how do we get the 20 most clueful and
knowledgeable members of
this list to be walking down the same street at the same time ... ;-)
FREE APPLE I's! GET 'EM WHILE THEY'RE HOT! (CRAYS, PERQ'S, AND
IMSAI'S
ALSO FREE, AVAILABLE ON REQUEST.) That' outta do it. ;-) But it'll never
happen.
It's not unheard-of for computer shops to
re-shrink-wrap software that's
been returned by a customer. And if that customer's PC has a virus....
Yeah, it's worth it for floppies.
So it is worth virus-checking installation _floppy_
disks, just in case.
Well worth it.
But I don't see how a CD-ROM could be infected.
I've never receieved a
commercial software product of a CD-R, either, and would be _very_
suspicious if I did.
Neither do I. And it wasn't on a CD-R, and as far as this guy was
concerned, they didn't exist.
-tony
Tim
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12:31 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
But that would mean that all (or at least all of a
certain batch) of the
the CD-ROMs would be infected. And for a major software product, the fact
that it was infected would spread pretty fast. Heck if it was a Microsoft
product it'd probably make the national newspapers over there (not that I
think Microsoft products do contain viruses).
M$ products don't have to contain viruses to spread a plague -- the
vector is the disease. (And yes, I still use Microsoft ROM BASICs
and both Tandy and SCO Xenix -- my wife is the one running Win 95,
but Eric Raymond has her considering Linux).
--
Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/>
WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms can be hazardous to your health -- and get away with it.
5:03 a.m.
At 12:14 AM 12/30/98 +0000, Tony Duell wrote:
But I don't see how a CD-ROM could be infected. I've never receieved a
commercial software product of a CD-R, either, and would be _very_
suspicious if I did.
It's not that uncommon, particularly in small third-party markets
where they have more than a floppy or two of data to ship with
the product. With the price of floppies versus the price of CD-Rs,
it makes plenty of sense. Your point about virus-checking makes
sense regardless of the delivery media.
- John
5:26 a.m.
At 12:14 AM 12/30/98 +0000, you wrote:
It's not unheard-of for computer shops to
re-shrink-wrap software that's
been returned by a customer. And if that customer's PC has a virus....
So it is worth virus-checking installation _floppy_ disks, just in case.
Yes, and at one time (1988?) there was a virus on the OS disks that
Leading Edge supplied with their computers so even the manufacturers get
caught once in a while. You should check EVERY disk that you get.
Joe
5:23 a.m.
HI,
I loaded Canon Creative 2 onto my Packard Bell Cyrix 300 and got Hare 7756
from it. Slowed this computer down to slower than my
IBM PCjr. I booted from
my boot disk that I made when I first got my computer and
used my Windows98
CD to run IRIS Antivirus and it cleaned the hard drive just fine.
I sent the CD back to Canon and they gave me Canon Creative 4 free.
On the PCjr, I picked up some floppies from the Salvation Army Store in
Binghamton, NY and ran a program and got STONED on my computer. I shut it
off and rebotted and ran my Antivirus on all the disks I have for the Jr.
This process took me about 5 hours and came up with no more virus's, boy was
I glad.
On the PCjr, I use DOS 6.22 and MSAV. I also scan ALL disks and CD ROMs now
no matter where they are from.
John Amirault
Joe wrote:
At 12:14 AM 12/30/98 +0000, you wrote:
It's not unheard-of for computer shops to
re-shrink-wrap software that's
been returned by a customer. And if that customer's PC has a virus....
So it is worth virus-checking installation _floppy_ disks, just in case.
Yes, and at one time (1988?) there was a virus on the OS disks that
Leading Edge supplied with their computers so even the manufacturers get
caught once in a while. You should check EVERY disk that you get.
Joe 
3:26 p.m.
On 30 Dec 98 at 11:23, John Amirault wrote:
HI,
I loaded Canon Creative 2 onto my Packard Bell Cyrix 300 and got Hare 7756
from it. Slowed this computer down to slower than my IBM PCjr. I booted from
my boot disk that I made when I first got my computer and used my Windows98
CD to run IRIS Antivirus and it cleaned the hard drive just fine.
I sent the CD back to Canon and they gave me Canon Creative 4 free.
On the PCjr, I picked up some floppies from the Salvation Army Store in
Binghamton, NY and ran a program and got STONED on my computer. I shut it
off and rebotted and ran my Antivirus on all the disks I have for the Jr.
This process took me about 5 hours and came up with no more virus's, boy was
I glad.
On the PCjr, I use DOS 6.22 and MSAV. I also scan ALL disks and CD ROMs now
no matter where they are from.
John Amirault
Beware of just using MSAV that came with 6.22. It does not pick up the newer
virii. My PC happily reported the system virus-free but some weird behavior led
me to use F-Prot and I dicovered to my horror a virus that had infected most of
my Dos-boxes. Since I use a lot of older systems and found proggies I had
figured that the newer virii would be unlikely to be present and had dealt
with older ones like the "stoned" and others. Now I always use the newest
version of virus-checker whenever I check out a new (old)box.
ciao larry
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