thanks mon. But I'd rather avoid shipping it from a different continent. I also don't do business w/heathen atheists. I'm also a vegetarian incidentally, but it's not because I believe I'm eating far distant cousins. --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, Tony Duell wrote: S'ok Tony, us heathen atheists don't business with vegetarians[*]. * Ancient Indian word meaning "poor hunter". :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Dave McGuire wrote: I once saw a bumper sticker which read, "Vegetarians are what food eats." Peace... Sridhar

--- On Thu, 3/31/11, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote: I used to work with a guy who liked to say "I like vegetarians. They taste good." BLS

On 4/1/2011 9:48 AM, Liam Proven wrote: I actually thought his post was comical.(not in a haha way, but a "Are you really serious?" way) I'm not particularly religious. His comment was so over the top that he was likely trolling for a response. Either way, the best way to handle it is to ignore it --- don't feed the trolls. While I really don't want to defend bad treatment you may have received in the past from your so-called-American-religious-types, I'd argue that in terms of tolerance, you can do considerably worse in dealings with several other cultures. I think that any form of extremism, whether it be religious or otherwise, is bad. There are religions that specifically teach intolerance(and much worse) but my experience with Catholicism (for example) is that this isn't one of them. It's actually quite the opposite. As you correctly point out, bad behavior, like what you are talking about above, is specifically NOT consistent with the teachings and is in direct contradiction. I believe there are some internal inconsistencies with the source material to begin with --- so there problems to overcome there, anyways --- but I think they are on pretty safe ground in this department in most (all?) contemporary teachings. Not that this was true historically, of course. While I'm trying to avoid becoming the spokesperson for any particular faith (or faith in general --- and frankly, normally find myself on the other side of this argument!) we are taught to open our arms and try to bring offenders back around to much more reasonable ground. I personally see really bad behavior (and I think the original comment was fairly tame) like you mentioned to be a mental deficiency -- as a type of personality disorder. I find it helpful to consider the person as being "sick"(ala a cold, or a flu) and in need of care and education. Most police stations, for example, deal with crazy people with considerably more "kid gloves" than what I call "bad guys" even though their outward behaviors might be identical. The police want to get these guys help, and they do so through a hospital, not through rough treatment in jail. Keith P.S. This is my personal experience. I'm definitely NOT an expert on any of the topics here!

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I am sure I mentioned trying a hot air gun (of the paint-stripper type) to shift that potting compound. -tony

Yeah, OK... Does anyone know a procedure for settign the first anode (g2), gain and black level controls in an HP9836C monitor without needing an accurate photometer? (Electromn guns, in case you're wondering) -tony

On 25 March 2011 22:13, Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> wrote: Oh, I'm sorry, have I given offence at some time? I do apologise and will try not to do so again. Just for reference, to which religion do you belong? I ask as you are manifestly not a Christian, as your response is in direct contradiction of Matthew 5:39, not to mention Matthew 5:40, Proverbs 20:22 and 24:29 and indeed most of what Yeshweh of Nazareth preached according to the Gospels. It also goes directly against Leviticus 19:18 and Mark 12:31 and so on. -- Liam Proven ? Info & profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven ? MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? ICQ: 73187508

On 2011 Apr 1, at 5:46 AM, Liam Proven wrote: - In his first response offering a pentium chip to Chris, Liam said "contact me offlist, details in my .sig". - Amongst the details in Liam's .sig is a link to his profile. - In his profile, Liam declares himself an atheist and a vegetarian (amongst other things). I didn't know what Chris was alluding to when he made the comment, but I took it as just some tongue-in-cheek off-the-wall humour of the sort which - to my recollection - Chris has expressed in the past. I didn't take it as bad taste, intending offense, or trolling. I suspect those taking offense could do to lighten up. Those following the thread might also note who was the first to express they were taking offense.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris M" <chrism3667 at yahoo.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: Re: need a Pentium 75 and heatsink Adults don't go around pushing peoples buttons for cheap thrills either.

This is an odd list. If you commont adversely on practices which you cvonsider are detrimental to the resoration, use, preservation, etc of classic computers (for example, board swwapping, clusless behaviour at some museums, not helping others by releasing source cose (when you are able to do so), etc), you get flamed. When you make a personal comment on something that has nothign to do with the list, then it's 'just kidding' Since you have pbulically statesd that you don't like dealing with 'heathen atheists', I will assume that you don't want techncial advioce -tony

From: feedle at feedle.net Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:56 PM Tossing another log on the fire... Although Oxford does not back me up on this, I was taught when younger that *heathens* belonged to no organized religion, though they often recognized (small) gods as influential in their lives. *Pagans*, on the other hand, engaged in formal worship of major gods (or a single non-Semitic-origin god), with organized priesthoods, etc. usw. k.t.l. The modern neo-pagans certainly fit the latter description. The Ya-Ya Sisterhood fits the former. Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer Vulcan, Inc. 505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900 Seattle, WA 98104 mailto:RichA at vulcan.com mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

On 01/04/11 21:10, Brent Hilpert wrote: [...] Indeed. I read the "heathen atheists" comment with an implied "j/k" (i.e. "just kidding")... maybe that's just me 8^/ -- Phil. classiccmp at philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/

Tony Duell [ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk] wrote: Not sure about the "implied" part but the discussion has certainly flip-flopped around a bit hasn't it? Antonio

Preceisly. Or atleast that's one possible candidate. There re many others... The 74H71 is another, but the 74L71 isn't (I think this is the largest difference between ICs with the same number in different TTL families) -tony

On 4/2/11 3:00 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: You're dating yourself, RTL man. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

On 4/2/11 5:12 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: Ethan, you insult me. I have a paper copy. ;) Really! Don Lancaster rocks. Almost as much as Al. :-D -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

awesome link Ethan THANKS! I have been looking for a book just like this to help me in my journey of understanding for some time now, this will greatly help me as I learn! Nick