28 Mar
1999
28 Mar
'99
9:05 p.m.
Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at yesterday's
hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me that he
threw out three rooms full of old XEROX computers less than a year ago. :-(
He gave me part of the stuff that he had left, I have to take a Truck
(note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy disks
for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your opinion of
them?
He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5", 5.25" and
8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
Joe
28 Mar
28 Mar
9:24 p.m.
The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the earliest
with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
MS-DOS. Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2. One problem is that
many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the machines
are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
machine.
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
Today I went to see a couple of the people that I
meet at yesterday's
hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me that he
threw out three rooms full of old XEROX computers less than a year ago. :-(
He gave me part of the stuff that he had left, I have to take a Truck
(note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy disks
for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your opinion of
them?
He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5", 5.25" and
8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
Joe
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
29 Mar
29 Mar
12:15 a.m.
Merle,
At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2
versions, the earliest
with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
MS-DOS.
Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
got in this load.
Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
One problem is that
many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky
drives, the machines
are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
machine.
Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
820-II have?
Thanks for the info.
Joe
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
Today I went to see a couple of the people
that I meet at yesterday's
hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me that he
threw out three rooms full of old XEROX computers less than a year ago. :-(
He gave me part of the stuff that he had left, I have to take a Truck
(note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy disks
for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your opinion of
them?
He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5", 5.25" and
8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
Joe
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
7:40 a.m.
Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2, and real computers don't need more than 64K...
The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
very satisfyingly. At least 3 word processing packages were avialable
plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen it.
The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is very like the NEC APC-II.
Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
Merle,
At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2
versions, the earliest
with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
MS-DOS.
Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
got in this load.
Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
One problem is that
many were shipped with 128K memory. With the
dinky drives, the machines
are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
machine.
Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
820-II have?
Thanks for the info.
Joe
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
Today I went to see a couple of the people
that I meet at yesterday's
hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me that he
threw out three rooms full of old XEROX computers less than a year ago. :-(
He gave me part of the stuff that he had left, I have to take a Truck
(note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy disks
for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your opinion of
them?
He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5", 5.25" and
8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
Joe
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
11:25 a.m.
At 08:40 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2,
I looked throgh the XEROX manuals last night. There's a separate manual
for 2.2, CPM-80 and CPM 86 and MS-DOS 2. 2.2 is the oldest in this bunch.
and real computers don't need more than 64K...
Yeah I know but 128K is nice to have.
The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
very satisfyingly.
I got new manaul and 8" disk with WS 3.3. Also D-Base II and some other
stuff.
At least 3 word processing packages were avialable
plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen it.
The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is very like the NEC APC-II.
Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
Do you know where I can find a copy of that? Do you still have any of
your XEROXs? I think I have the CPU portion of an 820-II here but no
drives (or the controller/daughter board) and no keyboard. The drives and
keyboard should be a problem but the controller is.
Joe
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> Merle,
>
> At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
> >The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the earliest
> >with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
> >5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
> >MS-DOS.
>
> Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
> got in this load.
>
> > Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
>
> I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
> CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
>
> One problem is that
> >many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the machines
> >are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
> >machine.
>
> Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
> 820-II have?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Joe
>
> >
> >On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> >
> >> Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at
yesterday's
> >> hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me
that
he
> >> threw out three rooms full of old XEROX
computers less than a year
ago. :-(
> >> He gave me part of the stuff that he had
left, I have to take a Truck
> >> (note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
> >> complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy
disks
> >> for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
> >> CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your
opinion of
> >> them?
> >>
> >> He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5",
5.25" and
8" drives
during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
Joe
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
9:55 a.m.
All my Xeroxes are in the museum collection now, although I still have
one set up at home. Absolutely my favourite CP/M machine, the QX-10
notwithstanding. I might be able to find dos 1.25, but it would take
awile. C: is a ramdisk. Don must have it at his fingertips. We're in
the middle of renovations and it's impossible to find anything.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
At 08:40 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2,
I looked throgh the XEROX manuals last night. There's a separate manual
for 2.2, CPM-80 and CPM 86 and MS-DOS 2. 2.2 is the oldest in this bunch.
and real computers don't need more than
64K...
Yeah I know but 128K is nice to have.
The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
very satisfyingly.
I got new manaul and 8" disk with WS 3.3. Also D-Base II and some other
stuff.
At least 3 word processing packages were
avialable
plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen it.
The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is very like the NEC APC-II.
Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
Do you know where I can find a copy of that? Do you still have any of
your XEROXs? I think I have the CPU portion of an 820-II here but no
drives (or the controller/daughter board) and no keyboard. The drives and
keyboard should be a problem but the controller is.
Joe
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> Merle,
>
> At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
> >The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the earliest
> >with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
> >5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
> >MS-DOS.
>
> Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
> got in this load.
>
> > Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
>
> I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
> CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
>
> One problem is that
> >many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the machines
> >are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
> >machine.
>
> Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
> 820-II have?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Joe
>
> >
> >On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> >
> >> Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at
yesterday's
> >> hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me
that he
> >> threw out three rooms full of old
XEROX computers less than a year
ago. :-(
> >> He gave me part of the stuff that
he had left, I have to take a Truck
> >> (note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
> >> complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy
disks
> >> for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
> >> CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your
opinion of
> >> them?
> >>
> >> He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5",
5.25" and
> 8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an
idea of what one of these is
> worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
>
> Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
>
> Joe
>
>
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
12:47 p.m.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
All my Xeroxes are in the museum collection now, although I still have
one set up at home. Absolutely my favourite CP/M machine, the QX-10
notwithstanding. I might be able to find dos 1.25, but it would take
awile. C: is a ramdisk. Don must have it at his fingertips. We're in
No, regrettably, I do not have anything for it but 2.0. I do have some
earlier versions of DOS for PCs, but do not know whether they would
function on the 16/8.
- don
the middle of renovations and it's impossible to
find anything.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
At 08:40 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2,
I looked throgh the XEROX manuals last night. There's a separate manual
for 2.2, CPM-80 and CPM 86 and MS-DOS 2. 2.2 is the oldest in this bunch.
and real computers don't need more than
64K...
Yeah I know but 128K is nice to have.
The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
very satisfyingly.
I got new manaul and 8" disk with WS 3.3. Also D-Base II and some other
stuff.
At least 3 word processing packages were
avialable
plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen it.
The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is very like the NEC APC-II.
Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
Do you know where I can find a copy of that? Do you still have any of
your XEROXs? I think I have the CPU portion of an 820-II here but no
drives (or the controller/daughter board) and no keyboard. The drives and
keyboard should be a problem but the controller is.
Joe
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> Merle,
>
> At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
> >The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the earliest
> >with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
> >5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
> >MS-DOS.
>
> Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
> got in this load.
>
> > Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
>
> I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
> CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
>
> One problem is that
> >many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the machines
> >are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
> >machine.
>
> Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
> 820-II have?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Joe
>
> >
> >On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> >
> >> Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at
yesterday's
> >> hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me
that he
> >> threw out three rooms full of old
XEROX computers less than a year
ago. :-(
> >> He gave me part of the stuff that
he had left, I have to take a Truck
> >> (note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
> >> complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy
disks
> >> for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
> >> CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your
opinion of
> >> them?
> >>
> >> He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5",
5.25" and
>>
8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
>> worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
>>
>> Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>
>M. K. Peirce
>Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
>215 Shady Lea Road,
>North Kingstown, RI 02852
>
>"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
>
> - Ovid
>
>
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
3:20 p.m.
When I find things, I'll try to remember to make a copy of 1.25 for you.
As I recall, Xerox DOS is a little strange, but it may be the boot blcoks.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
All my Xeroxes are in the museum collection now, although I still have
one set up at home. Absolutely my favourite CP/M machine, the QX-10
notwithstanding. I might be able to find dos 1.25, but it would take
awile. C: is a ramdisk. Don must have it at his fingertips. We're in
No, regrettably, I do not have anything for it but 2.0. I do have some
earlier versions of DOS for PCs, but do not know whether they would
function on the 16/8.
- don
the middle of renovations and it's impossible
to find anything.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) Z-Node 9 - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj/
visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site at http://www.devili.iki.fi/cpm/
with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm/
At 08:40 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2,
I looked throgh the XEROX manuals last night. There's a separate manual
for 2.2, CPM-80 and CPM 86 and MS-DOS 2. 2.2 is the oldest in this bunch.
and real computers don't need more than
64K...
Yeah I know but 128K is nice to have.
The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
very satisfyingly.
I got new manaul and 8" disk with WS 3.3. Also D-Base II and some other
stuff.
At least 3 word processing packages were
avialable
plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen it.
The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is very like the NEC APC-II.
Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
Do you know where I can find a copy of that? Do you still have any of
your XEROXs? I think I have the CPU portion of an 820-II here but no
drives (or the controller/daughter board) and no keyboard. The drives and
keyboard should be a problem but the controller is.
Joe
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> Merle,
>
> At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
> >The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the earliest
> >with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
> >5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
> >MS-DOS.
>
> Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
> got in this load.
>
> > Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
>
> I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
> CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
>
> One problem is that
> >many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the machines
> >are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
> >machine.
>
> Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
> 820-II have?
>
> Thanks for the info.
> Joe
>
> >
> >On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> >
> >> Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at
yesterday's
> >> hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me
that he
> >> threw out three rooms full of old
XEROX computers less than a year
ago. :-(
> >> He gave me part of the stuff that
he had left, I have to take a Truck
> >> (note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
> >> complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy
disks
> >> for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
> >> CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your
opinion of
> >> them?
> >>
> >> He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5",
5.25" and
> >> 8" drives during alignment.
Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
> >> worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
> >>
> >> Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >
> >M. K. Peirce
> >Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
> >215 Shady Lea Road,
> >North Kingstown, RI 02852
> >
> >"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
> >
> > - Ovid
> >
> >
>
>
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
2:52 p.m.
New subject: Salvage yard sightings
I didn't think much about it at the time, but I saw some monster disk
drives the other day. Likely 8" platter stacks, and what looked like short
soda can sized motors (2) sticking out one end (voice coil drivers I
assume). I think about 6 of them were sitting on a shelf, fresh pulls etc.
If anyone is curious I will attempt to find a part number or brand next
time.
Same place is getting in truck loads of ex- Levis Strauss computers, older
macs, lots of PS/2 machines, various old stock tidbits, ie a power supply
for a L40 portable?
Would a 486 PS/2 make a decent Linux machine? Any suggestions on a specific
model?
5:55 p.m.
New subject: Salvage yard sightings
Would a 486 PS/2 make a decent Linux machine? Any
suggestions on a specific
model?
I'd recommend against it. While a 486 makes a good Linux box, I'm not sure
how well Linux supports PS/2 hardware. It used to be it didn't support MCA
at all, but I think it does now.
Zane
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6:06 p.m.
New subject: Salvage yard sightings
Would a 486
PS/2 make a decent Linux machine? Any suggestions on a specific
model?
I'd recommend against it. While a 486 makes a good Linux box, I'm not sure
how well Linux supports PS/2 hardware. It used to be it didn't support MCA
at all, but I think it does now.
Zane
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+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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6:26 p.m.
New subject: Salvage yard sightings
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I'd recommend against it. While a 486 makes a good
Linux box, I'm not sure
how well Linux supports PS/2 hardware. It used to be it didn't support MCA
at all, but I think it does now.
It's supposed to support all PS/2 hardware, but I couldn't boot a Model/70
with a Slackware 3.4 boot disk. It couldn't find the hard drive. Maybe the
2.2 kernel does, but I'm not inclined to try it. I'd much rather play
around with Mk-Linux which runs on a Macintosh, which is much better
designed than a PS/2. Of course, I'm running it on a standard AT clone :)
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
30 Mar
30 Mar
10:31 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Salvage yard sightings
Supposedly the latest disributions do support it (Slackware 3.5+). Try it!
What do you have to lose? If it doesn't work, put M$ or OS2 back on it.
At 07:26 PM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Zane H. Healy wrote:
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I'd recommend against it. While a 486 makes a
good Linux box, I'm not sure
how well Linux supports PS/2 hardware. It used to be it didn't support MCA
at all, but I think it does now.
It's supposed to support all PS/2 hardware, but I couldn't boot a Model/70
with a Slackware 3.4 boot disk. It couldn't find the hard drive. Maybe the
2.2 kernel does, but I'm not inclined to try it. I'd much rather play
around with Mk-Linux which runs on a Macintosh, which is much better
designed than a PS/2. Of course, I'm running it on a standard AT clone :)
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
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