Strictly speaking, I don't believe either model _requires_ a boot disk. A boot disk will add significant functionality to the Apple, though. :) Anyway, the commodore will use its disk without booting from it, in contrast to some Apple systems, where that's not exactly true. You can also get CP/M for it, as some other people have said. Don Maslin probably has the disk, and he's usually willing to send them for (very reasonable) media/copying cost. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '