21 Aug
1998
21 Aug
'98
3:46 p.m.
--- Don Maslin wrote:
A chap that has gotten some Osborne 1 disks from me has a Lisa II.
Apparently, he has some bootable application software for it, so he is
able to bring it up.
He mentioned that he is looking for a copy of the 'seven disk set' that
was bundled with it. Can anyone help me help him? He is willing to pay
reasonable costs.
- don
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I posted a message with exactly that information last night. If you didn't get it,
email me, <raoulduke(a)dartmouth.edu> and I will re-send it to you.
-- MB
21 Aug
21 Aug
7:17 p.m.
O.K. this is where I admit my complete incompetance around such issues. I
have the "seven disk set" you mention but I've not yet got my Lisa2
running. Is there a way to do a copy of such disks, for example, on a
ms-dos based system? or unix? I.e., has someone come up with a means of
copying disks "raw"? regardless of OS?.
In other words, how do I copy these disks without my Lisa 2 up and
running?
Phew,
colan
On 21 Aug 1998, Marion Bates wrote:
--- Don Maslin wrote:
A chap that has gotten some Osborne 1 disks from me has a Lisa II.
Apparently, he has some bootable application software for it, so he is
able to bring it up.
He mentioned that he is looking for a copy of the 'seven disk set' that
was bundled with it. Can anyone help me help him? He is willing to pay
reasonable costs.
- don
--- end of quote ---
I posted a message with exactly that information last night. If you didn't get it,
email me, <raoulduke(a)dartmouth.edu> and I will re-send it to you.
-- MB
7:30 p.m.
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22 Aug
22 Aug
1:23 p.m.
On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
That is a valid statement for an 'as issued' PC, however, there are a
couple of cards and software by MicroSolutions which I believe might make
it possible. If the disks were 5.25" GCR, the MatchPoint suite will
likely do it. And, if the disks are of the 400k persuasion, the
MatchMaker suite in conjunction with a 400k or 800k drive will likely
work. Unfortunately, MicroSolutions no longer produces either, but I am
fortunate enough to have both.
- don
O.K. this is where I admit my complete incompetance around such issues. I
have the "seven disk set" you mention but I've not yet got my Lisa2
running. Is there a way to do a copy of such disks, for example, on a
ms-dos based system? or unix? I.e., has someone come up with a means of
copying disks "raw"? regardless of OS?.
There are plenty of ways of copying a raw disk (either to another disk or
to a 'container file'), the most obvious one being dd on a unix machine.
The problem is that these requires (obviously) that the disk controller
can read the data off the disk, at least at the bit/byte level. And Apple
have always used GCR (Group Code Recording) which is incompatible with
the FM (single density) or MFM (double density) recording systems used by
most other manufacturers. I don't know if the Lisa uses GCR encoding, but
since the Apple ][ and Macs do, it's a reasonable bet that the Lisa does
likewise.
So, alas, the PC's disk controller can't read bytes off Lisa disks. So
there's no way to make a copy using a PC. In other
words, how do I copy these disks without my Lisa 2 up and
running?
I think the only way is to find some other Lisa 'up and running'.
-tony
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