Apologize in that I found out the system was not an HP 3000, and I raised expectation of several list members about a system. The good news is that it is a nice HP 9000 900, which is nice and fast and has a good copy of HP/UX loaded, and will be visiting my house on a permanent basis when I get back after the new year. I have several of the visualize hp 9000's if anyone is into those, and wants some. I won't discard them but would be willing to share them if someone wants to come get them. Jim