7 Sep
2004
7 Sep
'04
1:42 p.m.
he does say in
his auction that he has permission from the various sites
to put the DVD together
--
Mr Watzman did not ask, and I would not have given him permission
to sell the material from bitsavers.
I have asked him not to mention my URL in any of his future
usenet postings.
For the record, I DO NOT want the material from my site to be sold
in any form.
7 Sep
7 Sep
2:12 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Al Kossow
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:43 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: 20,046 page doc archive still available
he does say in
his auction that he has permission from the various sites
to put the DVD together
--
Mr Watzman did not ask, and I would not have given him permission
to sell the material from bitsavers.
I have asked him not to mention my URL in any of his future
usenet postings.
For the record, I DO NOT want the material from my site to be sold
in any form.
And likewise, what little information I have contributed to bitsavers
is not to be sold. It's to be shared on bitsavers, but I do not
want any money exchanged for anything that I donate.
Are people downloading things from bitsavers and selling them for
a profit? That's downright dirty and rather irritating. It's like
one time when I wrote a 340 page family history that I spent many
years working on, and took many contributions from others, and had
a clause at the beginning where I stated that this information
could not be used without my permission..... then I found two
instances where someone "stole" entire large sections and used it
as if they had done all the work. It later appeared on their web
site as their own personal research.
2:26 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Carder" <wacarder(a)usit.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:12 PM
Subject: RE: 20,046 page doc archive still available
Is the person in question selling the material or in reality just selling
the service of gathering that material and storing it on a convenient DVD
saving the buyer countless time and effort doing the same? Not everybody has
broadband, the time, or wants to expend the effort in gathering
documentation that is freely downloadable over the internet. As far as the
information on bitsavers, who owns the copyright to each file posted there?
-----Original
Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Al Kossow
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:43 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: 20,046 page doc archive still available
he does say in
his auction that he has permission from the various sites
to put the DVD together
--
Mr Watzman did not ask, and I would not have given him permission
to sell the material from bitsavers.
I have asked him not to mention my URL in any of his future
usenet postings.
For the record, I DO NOT want the material from my site to be sold
in any form.
And likewise, what little information I have contributed to bitsavers
is not to be sold. It's to be shared on bitsavers, but I do not
want any money exchanged for anything that I donate.
Are people downloading things from bitsavers and selling them for
a profit? That's downright dirty and rather irritating. It's like
one time when I wrote a 340 page family history that I spent many
years working on, and took many contributions from others, and had
a clause at the beginning where I stated that this information
could not be used without my permission..... then I found two
instances where someone "stole" entire large sections and used it
as if they had done all the work. It later appeared on their web
site as their own personal research.
2:32 p.m.
Are people downloading things from bitsavers and
selling them for
a profit? That's downright dirty and rather irritating. It's like
one time when I wrote a 340 page family history that I spent many
years working on, and took many contributions from others, and had
a clause at the beginning where I stated that this information
could not be used without my permission..... then I found two
instances where someone "stole" entire large sections and used it
as if they had done all the work. It later appeared on their web
site as their own personal research.
Geneologists seem to be notoriously bad in this regard, many of them see
nothing wrong with posting stuff that shouldn't be on the net, or worse
stealing the content of entire books/publications/articles and reprinting
it (some even going so far as to copywrite what they've stolen). Some
don't even care if it's a copywrited book that was just released and is
still easily (even if not cheaply) available new.
Another group that really suprised me that is bad about such things are
little old ladies into sewing.
Zane
3:43 p.m.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
>[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Al Kossow
>Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:43 PM
>To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: Re: 20,046 page doc archive still available
>
>
>
> he does say in
>his auction that he has permission from the various sites
>to put the DVD together
>
>--
>
>Mr Watzman did not ask, and I would not have given him permission
>to sell the material from bitsavers.
>
>I have asked him not to mention my URL in any of his future
>usenet postings.
>
>For the record, I DO NOT want the material from my site to be sold
>in any form.
>
Barry asked permission for the stuff I have on my Sol web site and I
freely gave it to him. First, the point of my having the web site is so
that the information gets spread so it doesn't get lost. Second, I
don't own copyrights on any of it. Many of the manuals I spent oodles
of time correcting and formatting after OCR, and I've spent time buying
or collecting and scanning a lot of it, but much of it came from people
who donated documents or scans to me. I feel like all of it is a group
contribution.
Barry makes it quite clear that he will point out where you can download
most of it from the web, and what he is selling is the convenience of
having it all collected in a convenient form. Barry has also personally
scanned a lot of the documents.
So in the end, I have no problem with it.
3:51 p.m.
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Al Kossow wrote:
Mr Watzman did not ask, and I would not have given him
permission
to sell the material from bitsavers.
I have asked him not to mention my URL in any of his future
usenet postings.
For the record, I DO NOT want the material from my site to be sold
in any form.
I guess the cool thing for Barry to do would be to share with you at least
half of what he gets in sales. I can't even begin to imagine the hundreds
(thousands?) of hours you've spent doing this, and for him to reap
monetary reward is, while not entirely unethical, is sorta cheezy.
--
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