5 Sep
2004
5 Sep
'04
12:04 p.m.
Well I got a classic fraud offer from Great Britian today and was wondering
how to deal with it. I would love to see the offeree busted but not sure what
can be done.
I posted a HP110 outfit on the classifieds of the HP Calculator Museum. Got
a reply of interest from GB so I sent back info and got the following reply
today. I have heard of this scam being perpetrated on computer collectors in
the past so I recognize it as a scam.
Is there any way of identifying the culprit whose name (may or may not be
real) is posted at the end of the letter. I assume this is illegal in GB but how
would you go about informing the authorities? I would be happy to
participate in a sting if that is possible. I am on the west coast of the US.
Paxton
Astoria, Oregon
USA
Following is the message I got today:
Hello,
Thanks a lot for your mail and the information, also
for all your efforts towards making this transaction a
success, i really love it and wish to buy as soon as
possible. Anyway, this is how we are going to seal
this transaction there is an associate of mine in the
US who is owing me $2,500 i am going to instruct him
to send you a cashier's check for that amount,and when
it clears your bank you can now send my balance by
Westernunion. Although i know that the value of the
check is more than the price of the HP 110 outfit,
9114 disk & 2225B Printer but i am willing to trust
you with my balance So if this offer is acceptable to
you,let me have your contact information so that i can
instruct my associate to send you a check,that is your
name,address and phone number Please get back to me as
soon as soon as you get this mail so that i can know
your decision regards this transaction. I am banking
on my balance so that i will be able to settle my
shippers here in there local office because it is
cheaper and faster.My regards to the family.
James Cole
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James Cole
42-46 James Villa, Woolmer Way
Woolmer Trading Estate
Bordon,Hampshire
GU35 9QF UK
5 Sep
5 Sep
3:30 p.m.
"Scamming the scammer"
http://p-p-p-powerbook.com/
http://p-p-p-powerbook.com/files/thepowerbook.pdf
Stephane
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:04:50 EDT, innfosale(a)aol.com <innfosale(a)aol.com> wrote:
Well I got a classic fraud offer from Great Britian
today and was wondering
how to deal with it. I would love to see the offeree busted but not sure what
can be done.
...
6:13 p.m.
I know of people who "collect" those fraudulent checks and hang them on
their wall. Let the scammer think you've accepted the deal. At least
cost him the money of sending you a check. Often they send it overnight
to get it to you quickly so you will send him the difference via Western
Union or other wire transfer that can't be reversed.
Certainly don't try to put his check through a bank because you will
incur costs when it bounces. But then you can have fun when the scammer
wants to know where his merchandise and his "change" are. At that point
mention that you are having the authorities looking into the check and
you need his phone number to talk to him. You will never hear from him
again. It sounds like fun to me!
Innfosale(a)aol.com wrote:
Well I got a classic fraud offer from Great Britian
today and was wondering
how to deal with it. I would love to see the offeree busted but not sure what
can be done.
I posted a HP110 outfit on the classifieds of the HP Calculator Museum. Got
a reply of interest from GB so I sent back info and got the following reply
today. I have heard of this scam being perpetrated on computer collectors in
the past so I recognize it as a scam.
Is there any way of identifying the culprit whose name (may or may not be
real) is posted at the end of the letter. I assume this is illegal in GB but how
would you go about informing the authorities? I would be happy to
participate in a sting if that is possible. I am on the west coast of the US.
Paxton
Astoria, Oregon
USA
Following is the message I got today:
Hello,
Thanks a lot for your mail and the information, also
for all your efforts towards making this transaction a
success, i really love it and wish to buy as soon as
possible. Anyway, this is how we are going to seal
this transaction there is an associate of mine in the
US who is owing me $2,500 i am going to instruct him
to send you a cashier's check for that amount,and when
it clears your bank you can now send my balance by
Westernunion. Although i know that the value of the
check is more than the price of the HP 110 outfit,
9114 disk & 2225B Printer but i am willing to trust
you with my balance So if this offer is acceptable to
you,let me have your contact information so that i can
instruct my associate to send you a check,that is your
name,address and phone number Please get back to me as
soon as soon as you get this mail so that i can know
your decision regards this transaction. I am banking
on my balance so that i will be able to settle my
shippers here in there local office because it is
cheaper and faster.My regards to the family.
James Cole
=====
James Cole
42-46 James Villa, Woolmer Way
Woolmer Trading Estate
Bordon,Hampshire
GU35 9QF UK
--
Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com
Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team
8:35 p.m.
>>
>> I know of people who "collect" those fraudulent checks and
>> hang them on their wall. Let the scammer think you've
>> accepted the deal. At least cost him the money of sending
>> you a check. Often they send it overnight to get it to you
>> quickly so you will send him the difference via Western
>> Union or other wire transfer that can't be reversed.
>>
I definitely do NOT recomment this approach. You will have given your
identity in a very physical sense to the spammer. In the case of the person
I referred to in an earlier post (who I just found out is on holiday),
threats were made when he refused to cache the check [even though he offered
to return it].
8:35 p.m.
David V. Corbin wrote:
I've never heard of those kind of threats, but I know many people who
have had fun jerking the scammers around. Recommend whatever you want.
If it were me I'd have fun.
--
Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com
Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team
>>I know
of people who "collect" those fraudulent checks and
>>hang them on their wall. Let the scammer think you've
>>accepted the deal. At least cost him the money of sending
>>you a check. Often they send it overnight to get it to you
>>quickly so you will send him the difference via Western
>>Union or other wire transfer that can't be reversed.
>>
I definitely do NOT recomment this approach. You will have given your
identity in a very physical sense to the spammer. In the case of the person
I referred to in an earlier post (who I just found out is on holiday),
threats were made when he refused to cache the check [even though he offered
to return it].
6 Sep
6 Sep
1:16 a.m.
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Dave Mabry wrote:
I've never heard of those kind of threats, but I
know many people who
have had fun jerking the scammers around. Recommend whatever you want.
If it were me I'd have fun.
Ooh, ooh, tell him you'd like it if he could send naked pictures of his
wife along with the "check" and you'll reciprocate! Even worse, ask for
naked pictures of minors, and if he obliges you can then have him nailed
for child pornography if/when he's caught.
--
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11:11 p.m.
On Sunday 05 September 2004 20:35, David V. Corbin wrote:
If you accept the check, you should be able to call the issuing bank or
business and verify the authenticity of the account, and that it has
funds available, before submitting the check to your own bank.
Definately don't try and cash the check until you can verify if it's
authentic. If you are worried about your "identity", you can have it
sent to a business or a friend's PO box if you can find someone willing
to help you out.
Pat
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>> I know
of people who "collect" those fraudulent checks and
>> hang them on their wall. Let the scammer think you've
>> accepted the deal. At least cost him the money of sending
>> you a check. Often they send it overnight to get it to you
>> quickly so you will send him the difference via Western
>> Union or other wire transfer that can't be reversed.
I definitely do NOT recomment this approach. You will have given your
identity in a very physical sense to the spammer. In the case of the
person I referred to in an earlier post (who I just found out is on
holiday), threats were made when he refused to cache the check [even
though he offered to return it]. 
11:19 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)computer-refuge.org>
To: <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fraud offer from GB, How to deal with it?
On Sunday 05 September 2004 20:35, David V. Corbin
wrote:
If you accept the check, you should be able to call the issuing bank or
business and verify the authenticity of the account, and that it has
funds available, before submitting the check to your own bank.
Definately don't try and cash the check until you can verify if it's
authentic. If you are worried about your "identity", you can have it
sent to a business or a friend's PO box if you can find someone willing
to help you out.
Pat
--
Purdue University ITAP/RCS --- http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/
The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
If the deal smells funny then don't attempt to go through with it and notify
the law. Playing games with thieves is not a smart thing to do.
>> I
know of people who "collect" those fraudulent checks and
>> hang them on their wall. Let the scammer think you've
>> accepted the deal. At least cost him the money of sending
>> you a check. Often they send it overnight to get it to you
>> quickly so you will send him the difference via Western
>> Union or other wire transfer that can't be reversed.
I definitely do NOT recomment this approach. You will have given your
identity in a very physical sense to the spammer. In the case of the
person I referred to in an earlier post (who I just found out is on
holiday), threats were made when he refused to cache the check [even
though he offered to return it].
11:35 p.m.
On Monday 06 September 2004 23:19, Teo Zenios wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)computer-refuge.org>
To: <dvcorbin(a)optonline.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fraud offer from GB, How to deal with it?
Yeah, but he has no *proof* that the guy is trying to be fraudulent, and
considering it's crossing international boundaries, the local cops
probably aren't going to be able/willing to do much. If you get the
guy to send you a bad check, you've got some proof that something's up.
Anyways, who doesn't like to be a little "reckless". This guy sounds
more like a scammer, it's not quite the same as screwing with your
local drug dealer/mob boss. :)
Pat
--
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The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
If you accept the check, you should be able to call the issuing
bank or business and verify the authenticity of the account, and
that it has funds available, before submitting the check to your
own bank. Definately don't try and cash the check until you can
verify if it's authentic. If you are worried about your
"identity", you can have it sent to a business or a friend's PO box
if you can find someone willing to help you out.
If the deal smells funny then don't attempt to go through with it and
notify the law. Playing games with thieves is not a smart thing to
do. 
7 Sep
7 Sep
3:22 a.m.
On Monday 06 September 2004 23:19, Teo Zenios wrote:
Yeah, but he has no *proof* that the guy is trying to be fraudulent, and
considering it's crossing international boundaries, the local cops
probably aren't going to be able/willing to do much. If you get the
guy to send you a bad check, you've got some proof that something's up.
Anyways, who doesn't like to be a little "reckless". This guy sounds
more like a scammer, it's not quite the same as screwing with your
local drug dealer/mob boss. :)
I missed the first few mails on this subject so I don't know
if this site has already been mentioned:
http://69.93.112.102/~pbook/
;-)
bye
Thilo
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6 Sep
6 Sep
1:09 a.m.
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Dave Mabry wrote:
Certainly don't try to put his check through a
bank because you will
incur costs when it bounces. But then you can have fun when the scammer
wants to know where his merchandise and his "change" are. At that point
mention that you are having the authorities looking into the check and
you need his phone number to talk to him. You will never hear from him
again. It sounds like fun to me!
Better yet, say the check never arrived and request he send another. Then
keep making up successive excuses ("the dog ate it") until he throws his
hands up in frustration.
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