25 Mar
2016
25 Mar
'16
1:19 a.m.
The M24 I got the other day has the bus converter, whereas the other M24
that I already had does not. I bought a bus converter for the "old" one, but
then realised I didn't have any mounting bushes or spacers in order to
install it. I thought of removing some of the bushes from the new one to
share with the old one, it wouldn't be as good but at least I would be able
to install the converter.
It looks like I might need some kind of special tool to remove the bushes
from the new machine. Is there a way to do this with
ordinary tools? Does
anyone know if the mounting bushes are any kind of standard
part that could
still be bought somewhere?
Thanks
Rob
25 Mar
25 Mar
5:15 a.m.
Could they be 3d printed? Pictures might help...
On 25 Mar 2016 09:20, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
The M24 I got the other day has the bus converter,
whereas the other M24
that I already had does not. I bought a bus converter for the "old" one,
but
then realised I didn't have any mounting bushes or spacers in order to
install it. I thought of removing some of the bushes from the new one to
share with the old one, it wouldn't be as good but at least I would be able
to install the converter.
It looks like I might need some kind of special tool to remove the bushes
from the new machine. Is there a way to do this with ordinary tools? Does
anyone know if the mounting bushes are any kind of standard part that could
still be bought somewhere?
Thanks
Rob
5:29 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Wade
Sent: 25 March 2016 12:16
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
Could they be 3d printed? Pictures might help...
There are actually two varieties. The plastic ones probably could, but actually I was
talking about the steel ones which probably can't. I have put it all away again for
now so I can't get any pictures right now. I'll get it out again later, if I can,
and post some pics.
Regards
Rob
On 25 Mar 2016 09:20, "Robert Jarratt"
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> The M24 I got the other day has the bus converter, whereas the other
> M24 that I already had does not. I bought a bus converter for the
> "old" one, but then realised I didn't have any mounting bushes or
> spacers in order to install it. I thought of removing some of the
> bushes from the new one to share with the old one, it wouldn't be as
> good but at least I would be able to install the converter.
>
>
>
> It looks like I might need some kind of special tool to remove the
> bushes from the new machine. Is there a way to do this with ordinary
> tools? Does anyone know if the mounting bushes are any kind of
> standard part that could still be bought somewhere?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
5:59 a.m.
Could they be
3d printed? Pictures might help...
There are actually two varieties. The plastic ones probably could, but actually I was
talking about the steel ones which probably can't. I have put it all away again for
now so I can't get any pictures right now. I'll get it out again later, if I can,
and post
some pics.
6:24 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of tony
duell
Sent: 25 March 2016 12:59
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
Could you turn them on a lathe. I assume they're quite small.
-tony
=
Perhaps, if I had a lathe. I do have a locksmith friend who could possibly
make them, but it is the way they go into the base that is problematic. I
will have to post some pictures.
Regards
Rob
Could
they be 3d printed? Pictures might help...
There are actually two varieties. The plastic ones probably could, but
actually I was talking about the steel ones which probably can't. I
have put it all away again for now so I can't get any pictures right
now. I'll get it out again later, if I can, and post some pics. 
7:21 a.m.
* Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> [160325 08:29]:
Do you mean stand-offs?
Like:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/keystone-electronics/1813/36-1813-…
?
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Wade
Sent: 25 March 2016 12:16
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
Could they be 3d printed? Pictures might help...
There are actually two varieties. The plastic ones probably could, but actually I was
talking about the steel ones which probably can't. I have put it all away again for
now so I can't get any pictures right now. I'll get it out again later, if I can,
and post some pics.
Regards
Rob 
8:30 a.m.
I'll have to open up my 6300 to see what they are, but my initial
impression is that rivnuts might be just the ticket. I'll check later,
however.
--Chuck
10:44 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck
Guzis
Sent: 25 March 2016 15:31
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
I'll have to open up my 6300 to see what they are, but my initial impression is
that rivnuts might be just the ticket. I'll check later, however.
--Chuck
I looked up rivnuts and they certainly look similar. They are definitely not standoffs
though. I shall look closer at rivnuts.
Thanks
Rob
12:10 p.m.
I looked up rivnuts and they certainly look similar.
They are definitely
not standoffs though. I shall look closer at rivnuts.
also look at nutserts.
Riv-nuts are pop-rivets with a threaded center. Usable through sheet
metal, and into blind holes (very carefully)
Nutserts call for drilling and threading a hole and screwing them in.
I'm assuming that you are talking about threaded inserts in a plastic
piece?
2:25 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Cisin
Sent: 25 March 2016 19:10
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
metal,
I looked up rivnuts and they certainly look
similar. They are
definitely not standoffs though. I shall look closer at rivnuts.
also look at nutserts.
Riv-nuts are pop-rivets with a threaded center. Usable through sheet and into blind holes (very carefully) Nutserts call
for drilling and
threading a
hole and screwing them in.
I'm assuming that you are talking about threaded inserts in a plastic
piece?
3:14 p.m.
On 03/25/2016 02:25 PM, Robert Jarratt wrote:
I have posted the pictures here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FC758A5A91B91301!5776&authkey=!AO…
8p_qyB5Q&ithint=folder%2cjpg
The pictures show three things:
1. The square holes that the mountings go into. 2. The top and bottom
side of the steel mountings. 3. The top and bottom sides of the nylon
(?) mountings.
I find myself to really need the steel mountings to be able to mount
the bus converter, I am hopeful that I can move a couple of existing
nylon ones.
Ah, thanks for saving me the trouble of digging out my own 6300.
The exact nylon standoffs might be a bit difficult, but the metal parts
could easily be replaced with plain old threaded hex standoffs. The
original metal standoffs are press-fitted into place and my guess that
they'll be difficult to find, even if you do own an appropriate press
The great thing is that the holes for both types are recessed on the
bottom, so that getting a good mounting using a washer-head machine
screw should be no problem. I've got bags of aluminum hex standoffs of
various sizes and find them to be invaluable. Jameco also offers a
somewhat more limited selection.
Here's Mouser's 578 pages of standoff choices:
http://www.mouser.com/Electromechanical/Hardware/Standoffs-Spacers/_/N-aictf
So maybe not original, but close enough functionally.
--Chuck
4:10 p.m.
Ah, thanks for saving me the trouble of digging out my own 6300.
The exact nylon standoffs might be a bit difficult, but the metal parts
could
easily be replaced with plain old threaded hex
standoffs. The original
metal
standoffs are press-fitted into place and my guess
that they'll be
difficult to
find, even if you do own an appropriate press
I was wondering if these are pressed in, or if the serrated edge around the
bottom of the mounting indicated some kind of two-part component with a
special tool to screw the two halves together. Sounds like it is a single
part :-(
The great thing is that the holes for both types are recessed on the
bottom,
so that getting a good mounting using a washer-head
machine screw should
be no problem. I've got bags of aluminum hex standoffs of various sizes
and
find them to be invaluable. Jameco also offers a
somewhat more limited
selection.
Here's Mouser's 578 pages of standoff choices:
http://www.mouser.com/Electromechanical/Hardware/Standoffs-
Spacers/_/N-aictf
So maybe not original, but close enough functionally.
--Chuck
I hadn't considered doing something like this. In the end I am most
interested in functionality as long as I don't have to permanently alter
anything.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Rob
7:34 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 7:10 PM
...
I just cut what I need from the barrel of an old dried-out ball point pen, with
self-tapping screws, long all-the-way-through screws, or expanding plastic standoffs glued
in the end(s), depending on the situation...
m
Here's
Mouser's 578 pages of standoff choices:
http://www.mouser.com/Electromechanical/Hardware/Standoffs-
Spacers/_/N-aictf
So maybe not original, but close enough functionally.
--Chuck
I hadn't considered doing something like this. In the end I am most
interested in functionality as long as I don't have to permanently alter
anything. 
26 Mar
26 Mar
9:31 a.m.
New subject: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.(old)
(Apologies in advance to non-Apple users)
Mac folks,
Last week AT&T ?upgraded? our Uverse service. All of our Macs running anything 10.6.8
or older quit working.
Cure was to turn off IPv6: System Preferences -> Network -> Advanced -> TCP/IP
-> iPv6 to ?Off? instead of ?Automatic?.
Symptoms were *very* widespread, and matched reasonably well to failing hard drive or
failing memory - system freeze, spinning beach-ball forever, can?t read directory, etc.
etc. etc. On the G3, I rebooted in single-user mode and actually got part way through the
output of ?ps -aux? in one case before freezing. However it did respond to Ctl-C and would
then do a ?ps -a? no problem, just no ?ps -aux?. We were a bit silly, didn?t read our
Uverse email, and didn?t test other systems before hooking more old systems into the
network - which then didn?t work. We were panicing about viruses, pulling hair out,
sacrificing goats ...
Systems affected were :
iMac G3 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - ethernet
PowerBook G4 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - wi-fi
iMac 2011 intel Mac OS X 10.6.8 - wi-fi
Apologies if this is a known bug, but it really puzzled us for a while because the
effects were so systemic; I hope I can prevent anybody else from getting a nice new
(needless) hard drive like the 2011 iMac did?
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell
9:59 a.m.
New subject: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.(old)
On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Tapley, Mark <mtapley at swri.edu> wrote:
(Apologies in advance to non-Apple users)
Mac folks,
Last week AT&T ?upgraded? our Uverse service. All of our Macs running anything
10.6.8 or older quit working.
Cure was to turn off IPv6: System Preferences -> Network -> Advanced -> TCP/IP
-> iPv6 to ?Off? instead of ?Automatic?.
Symptoms were *very* widespread, and matched reasonably well to failing hard drive or
failing memory - system freeze, spinning beach-ball forever, can?t read directory, etc.
etc. etc. On the G3, I rebooted in single-user mode and actually got part way through the
output of ?ps -aux? in one case before freezing. However it did respond to Ctl-C and would
then do a ?ps -a? no problem, just no ?ps -aux?. We were a bit silly, didn?t read our
Uverse email, and didn?t test other systems before hooking more old systems into the
network - which then didn?t work. We were panicing about viruses, pulling hair out,
sacrificing goats ...
Systems affected were :
iMac G3 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - ethernet
PowerBook G4 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - wi-fi
iMac 2011 intel Mac OS X 10.6.8 - wi-fi
Apologies if this is a known bug, but it really puzzled us for a while because the
effects were so systemic; I hope I can prevent anybody else from getting a nice new
(needless) hard drive like the 2011 iMac did?
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell
On old boxes where I keep Linux (Ubuntu 7.x) and older hardware for my vintage work, I
logged in one day and experienced major remote network problems and freezes. Granted this
version of Ubuntu is running IPv6 code that is far from mature.
My initial detective work showed problems with the IPv6 DNS resolution. I am also a
Uverse customer. Disabling IPV6 was the cure. I?ve done this on my Macs running 10.1x as
well and the number of similar but less frequent problems now approaches zero.
Jerry
3:19 p.m.
New subject: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.6
Just curious if something specifically is broken or non-fixable with the 10.6.8
IPv6 stack?
I'm specifically wondering if you did any troubleshooting to resolve this? Or
if just disabling IPv6 was the quick'n'dirty answer?
I'm excited for IPv6, but many of my Apple devices I have held back at 10.6 as
the number of features that Apple took away seem to increase exponentially after
10.6.x.
Jerry
On 03/26/16 11:31 AM, Tapley, Mark wrote:
(Apologies in advance to non-Apple users)
Mac folks,
Last week AT&T ?upgraded? our Uverse service. All of our Macs running anything
10.6.8 or older quit working.
Cure was to turn off IPv6: System Preferences -> Network -> Advanced -> TCP/IP
-> iPv6 to ?Off? instead of ?Automatic?.
Symptoms were *very* widespread, and matched reasonably well to failing hard drive or
failing memory - system freeze, spinning beach-ball forever, can?t read directory, etc.
etc. etc. On the G3, I rebooted in single-user mode and actually got part way through the
output of ?ps -aux? in one case before freezing. However it did respond to Ctl-C and would
then do a ?ps -a? no problem, just no ?ps -aux?. We were a bit silly, didn?t read our
Uverse email, and didn?t test other systems before hooking more old systems into the
network - which then didn?t work. We were panicing about viruses, pulling hair out,
sacrificing goats ...
Systems affected were :
iMac G3 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - ethernet
PowerBook G4 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - wi-fi
iMac 2011 intel Mac OS X 10.6.8 - wi-fi
Apologies if this is a known bug, but it really puzzled us for a while because the
effects were so systemic; I hope I can prevent anybody else from getting a nice new
(needless) hard drive like the 2011 iMac did?
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell
4:16 p.m.
New subject: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.6
It?s likely something broken in AT&T?s implementation - I have a G5 (10.5.8) with
Comcast and native dual stack which works just fine.
Robert Johnson
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On Mar 26, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Jerry Kemp <other at
oryx.us> wrote:
Just curious if something specifically is broken or non-fixable with the 10.6.8 IPv6
stack?
I'm specifically wondering if you did any troubleshooting to resolve this? Or if
just disabling IPv6 was the quick'n'dirty answer?
I'm excited for IPv6, but many of my Apple devices I have held back at 10.6 as the
number of features that Apple took away seem to increase exponentially after 10.6.x.
Jerry
On 03/26/16 11:31 AM, Tapley, Mark wrote:
> (Apologies in advance to non-Apple users)
>
> Mac folks,
> Last week AT&T ?upgraded? our Uverse service. All of our Macs running anything
10.6.8 or older quit working.
> Cure was to turn off IPv6: System Preferences -> Network -> Advanced ->
TCP/IP -> iPv6 to ?Off? instead of ?Automatic?.
>
> Symptoms were *very* widespread, and matched reasonably well to failing hard drive
or failing memory - system freeze, spinning beach-ball forever, can?t read directory, etc.
etc. etc. On the G3, I rebooted in single-user mode and actually got part way through the
output of ?ps -aux? in one case before freezing. However it did respond to Ctl-C and would
then do a ?ps -a? no problem, just no ?ps -aux?. We were a bit silly, didn?t read our
Uverse email, and didn?t test other systems before hooking more old systems into the
network - which then didn?t work. We were panicing about viruses, pulling hair out,
sacrificing goats ...
>
> Systems affected were :
>
> iMac G3 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - ethernet
> PowerBook G4 Mac OS X 10.4.11 - wi-fi
> iMac 2011 intel Mac OS X 10.6.8 - wi-fi
>
> Apologies if this is a known bug, but it really puzzled us for a while because the
effects were so systemic; I hope I can prevent anybody else from getting a nice new
(needless) hard drive like the 2011 iMac did?
>
> - Mark
> 210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell
>
27 Mar
27 Mar
9:36 p.m.
New subject: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.6
On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Jerry Kemp <other at oryx.us> wrote:
Just curious if something specifically is broken or
non-fixable with the 10.6.8 IPv6 stack?
I'm specifically wondering if you did any troubleshooting to resolve this? Or if
just disabling IPv6 was the quick'n'dirty answer?
I?m pretty helpless with networking, so I can?t comment on either AT&T's or
Apple?s implementations. As you say, disabling IPv6 was the Quick?n?dirty answer. If
network-aware folks have tests to suggest, I can use the G3 on 10.4.8 as a guinea pig.
We figured this out Friday night; my wife plans to contact AT&T (and the Apple Genius
Bar) Monday. I?ll report if they have any suggestions.
I will say that my MacBook Pro (definitely off-topic) never hiccupped, and it is running
OS X 10.9.5, so somewhere between 10.6.8 and 10.9.5, Apple?s implementation seems to have
changed to be compatible with AT&T?s (new) implementation.
28 Mar
28 Mar
5 p.m.
New subject: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.6
At 12:36 AM 3/28/2016, Tapley, Mark wrote:
On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Jerry Kemp <other at
oryx.us> wrote:
No, there's nothing broken with OSX. I have a functioning IPv6 network
here at home, with OSX 10.4 and 10.6 and a few iOS variants which don't
have any problems. It's sad that they can't get this right. I'm on
Verizon FiOS which doesn't have IPv6 at all. Seems like these carriers
just don't want to give us what we need.
Oh, I just figured it out: they're providing "Unlimited" IPv6. :)
-Rick
Just curious if something specifically is broken
or non-fixable
with the 10.6.8 IPv6 stack?]
1 Apr
1 Apr
11:17 a.m.
New subject: AT&T Uverse IPv6 vs. Mac OS X 10.6
On Mar 27, 2016, at 11:36 PM, Tapley, Mark <mtapley
at swri.edu> wrote:
For my Ubuntu 7 machine, the DNS resolution was not working on IPv6. This is a 2007
release that I don't want to upgrade.
Check and see if a 'dig -aaaa www.site-u-want.com' resolves to a valid address.
That was one of my first clue that something was wrong.
I did not do much investigation for the Mac. Quick cure (not a fix) for my needs at the
time.
Jerry
On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Jerry Kemp <other
at oryx.us> wrote:
Just curious if something specifically is broken or non-fixable with the 10.6.8 IPv6
stack?
I'm specifically wondering if you did any troubleshooting to resolve this? Or if
just disabling IPv6 was the quick'n'dirty answer?
I?m pretty helpless with networking, so I can?t comment on either AT&T's or
Apple?s implementations. As you say, disabling IPv6 was the Quick?n?dirty answer. If
network-aware folks have tests to suggest, I can use the G3 on 10.4.8 as a guinea pig.
We figured this out Friday night; my wife plans to contact AT&T (and the Apple Genius
Bar) Monday. I?ll report if they have any suggestions.
I will say that my MacBook Pro (definitely off-topic) never hiccupped, and it is running
OS X 10.9.5, so somewhere between 10.6.8 and 10.9.5, Apple?s implementation seems to have
changed to be compatible with AT&T?s (new) implementation. 
25 Mar
25 Mar
3:16 p.m.
Rob, many of your messages are blank.
Dwight
________________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Robert Jarratt
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com Sent: Friday, March
25, 2016 2:25 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
I have posted the pictures here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FC758A5A91B91301!5776&authkey=!AO…
8p_qyB5Q&ithint=folder%2cjpg
The pictures show three things:
1. The square holes that the mountings go into.
2. The top and bottom side of the steel mountings.
3. The top and bottom sides of the nylon (?) mountings.
I find myself to really need the steel mountings to be able to mount the bus
converter, I am hopeful that I can move a couple of existing nylon ones.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Cisin
Sent: 25 March 2016 19:10
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: RE:
Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
metal,
I looked up rivnuts and they certainly look
similar. They are
definitely not standoffs though. I shall look closer at rivnuts.
also look at nutserts.
Riv-nuts are pop-rivets with a threaded center. Usable through sheet and into blind holes (very carefully) Nutserts call
for drilling and
threading a
hole and screwing them in.
I'm assuming that you are talking about threaded inserts in a plastic
piece?
3:24 p.m.
Sorry for top posting, . . .
Does what you just forwarded look blank to you?
Search it for:
"I have posted the pictures here:"
ending with
"Regards
Rob"
On Fri, 25 Mar 2016, dwight wrote:
Rob, many of your messages are blank.
Dwight
________________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Robert Jarratt
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com Sent:
Friday, March 25, 2016 2:25 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
I have posted the pictures here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FC758A5A91B91301!5776&authkey=!AO…
8p_qyB5Q&ithint=folder%2cjpg
The pictures show three things:
1. The square holes that the mountings go into.
2. The top and bottom side of the steel mountings.
3. The top and bottom sides of the nylon (?) mountings.
I find myself to really need the steel mountings to be able to mount the bus
converter, I am hopeful that I can move a couple of existing nylon ones.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Cisin
Sent: 25 March 2016 19:10
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: RE:
Olivetti M24 Mounting Bushes for Bus Converter
metal,
I looked up rivnuts and they certainly look
similar. They are
definitely not standoffs though. I shall look closer at rivnuts.
also look at nutserts.
Riv-nuts are pop-rivets with a threaded center. Usable through sheet and into blind holes (very carefully) Nutserts
call for drilling and
threading a
hole and screwing them in.
I'm assuming that you are talking about threaded inserts in a plastic
piece?
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