F.Y.I. - My Cabletron MRXI hubs have RJ-45 sockets, for hooking up to a serial VT420 terminal... :) But, yes, I agree. Those hubs are the only time _I've_ seen RJ-45 used for serial communication. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash