not as such, but maybe it's a bigger brother of my P3800. In which case I'll be amazed - I heard of one other Philips system a few years ago which was a similar but more basic version of mine (P---, can't remember the number now), but the owner had long since disposed of it when I made enquiries. Never come across anyone who has the same system as mine, or even heard of it, and not heard of a 4500 either. My unit's about 1 foot wide, 4ft deep and 3ft tall and is some kind of multi-user CP/M system, or so I was told. It certainly has a lot of Z80 CPUs on the cards in the cardcage! Not a particularly lightweight system either. I can email an image off-list if you want. cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page http://uk.my.yahoo.com