26 Oct
2002
26 Oct
'02
6:15 p.m.
31 bidders. 4 willing to pay over $700. Are these machines in good condition really that
rare?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062770257
26 Oct
26 Oct
7:31 p.m.
On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 20:50, John Galt wrote:
31 bidders. 4 willing to pay over $700. Are these
machines in good condition really that rare?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062770257
They're not the least bit rare in my neck of the woods, and I don't see
anything special about that machine to warrant that price. The bill of
sale, which might have been a selling point, doesn't match the equipment
in that PC either.
I can get ahold of the same setup in the same condition within a day for
substantially less money. The systems and parts are out there in
abundance if you look around. These machines are common as dirt, with a
large amount of NOSs parts floating about.
I think this is a case of people with more brains than money.
8:16 p.m.
On 27 Oct 2002, Jeffrey H. Ingber wrote:
On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 20:50, John Galt wrote:
The bill of sale really isn't even close...heck, it even appears to be a
Xerox copy. Of course, that might not be a bill of sale, but rather a
suggested configuration list, or it could just simply be that the seller
included that bit of paper with this auction to inflate the price.
-Toth
31 bidders. 4 willing to pay over $700. Are
these machines in good
condition really that rare?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062770257
They're not the least bit rare in my neck of the woods, and I don't see
anything special about that machine to warrant that price. The bill of
sale, which might have been a selling point, doesn't match the equipment
in that PC either. 
7:38 p.m.
I noticed that auction and was shocked myself.
I'm showing a nearly identical machine at VCF this weekend (Original PC,
64K MB, DOS 1.0, CP/M-86 1.0 etc.) and didn't think it was worth nearly
that, even to the eBay community.
I think the package was what made it desirable including the original
receipts, etc. That and there haven't been that many on eBay lately.
Erik
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To: classic cmp
Subject: IBM 5150 brings $910 on EBAY
31 bidders. 4 willing to pay over $700. Are these machines in good
condition really that rare?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062770257>
&item=2062770257
27 Oct
27 Oct
3:50 a.m.
New subject: Need help with DSSI/SCSI and an ext CD-ROM
Hi,
I need some help with a Vax 4000-200. I picked up an RRD43 CD-ROM drive and
installed it into an external SCSI-1 enclosure. On the 4000-200 on the far left side of
the QBus slots is a slot with 2 connectors, one appears to be a standard SCSI-1 connector
and the other is an inverse SCSI-2 connector (labels Bus 0) with a terminator on it that
lights up on power up.
I attempted to hook up the RRD43 to the SCSI-1 connector and after power up at the
>>> prompt I do a show device and show dssi and the internal DSSI drives and the
TF85 show up, then it shows the ethernet AUI port and Mac address, but nothing on the SCSI
devices (CD-ROM set to device #6, then I tried device #4, no change) Show SCSI shows
nothing.
So, what am I doing incorrectly??? Is that port usable as an external SCSI-1
connector??? I have a terminator installed on the Drive enclosure. I picked up a
spare dual SCSI Qbus board, but before going down that road and having to set it up and
such I just want to make sure that I can use the built in SCSI bus first (or not) Any
and All help is greatly appreciated, I would really like to get OpenVMS installed on this
unit and get it up and running, thanks.
Curt
2:49 p.m.
New subject: Need help with DSSI/SCSI and an ext CD-ROM
That port isn't SCSI. It's DSSI. These machines don't have built-in
SCSI. You need to get yourself a SCSI board.
Peace... Sridhar
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Curt Vendel wrote:
Hi,
I need some help with a Vax 4000-200. I picked up an RRD43 CD-ROM drive and
installed it into an external SCSI-1 enclosure. On the 4000-200 on the far left side of
the QBus slots is a slot with 2 connectors, one appears to be a standard SCSI-1 connector
and the other is an inverse SCSI-2 connector (labels Bus 0) with a terminator on it that
lights up on power up.
I attempted to hook up the RRD43 to the SCSI-1 connector and after power up at the
>>> prompt I do a show device and show dssi and the internal DSSI drives and the
TF85 show up, then it shows the ethernet AUI port and Mac address, but nothing on the SCSI
devices (CD-ROM set to device #6, then I tried device #4, no change) Show SCSI shows
nothing.
So, what am I doing incorrectly??? Is that port usable as an external SCSI-1
connector??? I have a terminator installed on the Drive enclosure. I picked up a
spare dual SCSI Qbus board, but before going down that road and having to set it up and
such I just want to make sure that I can use the built in SCSI bus first (or not) Any
and All help is greatly appreciated, I would really like to get OpenVMS installed on this
unit and get it up and running, thanks.
Curt
10:09 p.m.
New subject: Need help with DSSI/SCSI and an ext CD-ROM
On 2002.10.27 15:50 Curt Vendel wrote:
I need some help with a Vax 4000-200. I picked
up an RRD43
CD-ROM drive and installed it into an external SCSI-1 enclosure. On
the 4000-200 on the far left side of the QBus slots is a slot with 2
connectors, one appears to be a standard SCSI-1 connector
BA440???
This connector goes to the tape dirve bay above the PSU. There is no
SCSI adapter on the MV4k200 / KA660 CPU bord, only DSSI. You would need
a KZQSA (non MSCP QBus to SCSI adapter, intended for use as tape
controller only) or the like. Then you can connect the SCSI bus of the
adapter to that connector and mount a SCSI tape in the tape dirve bay.
There are two connectors on the backplane in the tapge drive bay, one is
DSSI, one is SCSI.
and the other is an inverse SCSI-2 connector (labels
Bus 0) with a
terminator on it that lights up on power up.
That is the DSSI bus.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
28 Oct
28 Oct
2:40 a.m.
New subject: Jumpers on KZQSA's
Anyone have the technical data and jumper settings for the KZQSA SCSI
boards???? Looks like mine is set to 761500 and I want to change it back
to 761300.
Curt
11:26 p.m.
I had lunch Sunday and it was $115, my 91 Mustang needed a new
radiator and that was $530, $1k for something you want isn't
unreasonable.
Its the recipe for money on ebay, old, original, exceptional
condition, a full package, and very well presented. For the last two
or three years I have looked, not real hard, but snooped every
machine i had a chance at, and I have yet to find an original 16-64k
motherboard. Also really nice condition is rare enough in itself. My
best units are in the some rust category. The seller has lots of good
feedback, and my guess is that this system better be just as nice as
claimed or better.
No way would I pay that kind of money, more like $20 or "maybe" as
much as $40 or $50 if it was really that clean.
Still kicking myself about the dozen original keyboards all new in
the box that got snagged out of my stack after an auction. Worst
thing is the dumb swapmeet people who grabbed them likely dumpstered
them once they looked at the connectors. Steal first, examine at
leisure.
I noticed that auction and was shocked myself.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062770257>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062770257
12:53 p.m.
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, John Galt wrote:
31 bidders. 4 willing to pay over $700. Are these
machines in good
condition really that rare?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2062770257
No, but I'll bet the chips inside are worth a fortune.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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