From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> I know, the first time I'd seen it was early '78 on a Heath H-11. It convinced me to get the NS* configured version (not cpm based) as it was cheap. In 1978 what UCSD got me... I had NS DOS and their BASIC, no compiler, no asembler. I has CP/M 1.4 with all the 8080 tools and 8k MSbasic, still no HLL UCSD got me a compiled language that was vogue and a real screen based editor that beat the tar out of CP/Ms ED. By 1978 standards 50US dollars was cheap for UCSD and far cheaper than CP/M or even the MSbasic for CP/M. Allison