12 Apr
2002
12 Apr
'02
11:28 p.m.
I picked up a PCI ethernet card today that is both 10 Base T and 10 Base
2 outputs. Now I will have a crash (bad term) course in networking,
especially across different platforms.
I'm wondering if this card is capable of using both outputs at once;
i.e. base 2 to my Amiga Etherrnet and base T to a cable modem or hub.
If it is an exclusive OR situation, I guess I'll have to get another NIC
for another input/output.
If all else fails, then I put Linux in the Amiga . . . . .
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
13 Apr
13 Apr
1:02 a.m.
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Gary Hildebrand wrote:
I'm wondering if this card is capable of using
both outputs at once;
i.e. base 2 to my Amiga Etherrnet and base T to a cable modem or hub.
If it is an exclusive OR situation, I guess I'll have to get another NIC
for another input/output.
Gary,
I'm not aquainted with any PC NICs that allow use of both connections.
There _are_ quite a few multiport NICs, but every one I've seen had 2 or
4 identical connections. Usually 10bT.
If you're after linking the Amiga network to "the world", I can offer
several very simple (and cheap) ways to build a gateway PC. Like $40
total cost, including new NICs, and 45 minutes total setup.
If all else fails, then I put Linux in the Amiga . . .
. .
Seems a waste of a good Amiga.... The more hardware platforms I get
to experience, the more I realize that Linux on a DECstation isn't much
different than Linux on a Mac or PC. Same with *BSD. I've started
trying to find and learn the native OS on each system, for "the full
effect".
And Absolutely NOT! That _doesn't_ mean that I have to run Windows on
my PC. :)
Doc
14 Apr
14 Apr
11:46 a.m.
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Doc wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Gary Hildebrand wrote:
This reminds me of an unusual board I picked up years ago...
Somewhere, I have an ISA board with 4 10Base-2 interfaces. It was made by
Kodiak Technologies (long since out of business). It uses 4 Seeq 8005
chips, and appears to have headers for 4 AUI ports too. I never could find
documentation on the board, and it seems to use a nonstandard scheme for
I/O access. Anyone ever heard of these or have any documentation or
manufacturer provided drivers for them?
-Toth
I'm wondering if this card is capable of
using both outputs at once;
i.e. base 2 to my Amiga Etherrnet and base T to a cable modem or hub.
If it is an exclusive OR situation, I guess I'll have to get another NIC
for another input/output.
I'm not aquainted with any PC NICs that allow use of both
connections. There _are_ quite a few multiport NICs, but every one
I've seen had 2 or 4 identical connections. Usually 10bT. 
4:51 p.m.
I also have an unknown MCA board by Pure Data copyrighted 1987 with 4
BNC connectors. I had thought it might be an arcnet (which IIRC PD was
heavily involved with) board. Some sort of hub on a card.
Lawrence
This reminds me of an unusual board I picked up years
ago...
Somewhere, I have an ISA board with 4 10Base-2 interfaces. It was made by
Kodiak Technologies (long since out of business). It uses 4 Seeq 8005
chips, and appears to have headers for 4 AUI ports too. I never could find
documentation on the board, and it seems to use a nonstandard scheme for
I/O access. Anyone ever heard of these or have any documentation or
manufacturer provided drivers for them?
-Toth
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
5:36 p.m.
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
What kind of chips does it have on it? Usually you can identify a these
kinds of boards based on the chips they use.
-Toth
This reminds me of an unusual board I picked up
years ago...
Somewhere, I have an ISA board with 4 10Base-2 interfaces. It was made by
Kodiak Technologies (long since out of business). It uses 4 Seeq 8005
chips, and appears to have headers for 4 AUI ports too. I never could find
documentation on the board, and it seems to use a nonstandard scheme for
I/O access. Anyone ever heard of these or have any documentation or
manufacturer provided drivers for them?
I also have an unknown MCA board by Pure Data copyrighted 1987 with 4
BNC connectors. I had thought it might be an arcnet (which IIRC PD was
heavily involved with) board. Some sort of hub on a card.
15 Apr
15 Apr
11:06 p.m.
It's looks like a fairly simple board and there are no significant chips that
you can see. The 4 port section chips and components are encased in black
plastic-like material, similar to what I've seen on other NICs, each on it's own
section of the board. It does have 4 LEDs on the face of the card. To indicate
activity I imagine. I tried Peter Wendts MCA card i.d. program to no avail.
Lawrence
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
What kind of chips does it have on it? Usually you can identify a these
kinds of boards based on the chips they use.
-Toth
This reminds me of an unusual board I picked up
years ago...
Somewhere, I have an ISA board with 4 10Base-2 interfaces. It was made by
Kodiak Technologies (long since out of business). It uses 4 Seeq 8005 chips,
and appears to have headers for 4 AUI ports too. I never could find
documentation on the board, and it seems to use a nonstandard scheme for I/O
access. Anyone ever heard of these or have any documentation or manufacturer
provided drivers for them?
I also have an unknown MCA board by Pure Data copyrighted 1987 with 4
BNC connectors. I had thought it might be an arcnet (which IIRC PD was
heavily involved with) board. Some sort of hub on a card.
16 Apr
16 Apr
3:25 a.m.
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
That does sound like an arcnet card, although it could also be some sort
of data acquisition interface. Many arcnet cards do have an epoxy encased
module for some of the media interface circuitry.
Do you have the .adf file for this board?
-Toth
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
It's looks like a fairly simple board and there are no significant
chips that you can see. The 4 port section chips and components are
encased in black plastic-like material, similar to what I've seen on
other NICs, each on it's own section of the board. It does have 4 LEDs
on the face of the card. To indicate activity I imagine. I tried Peter
Wendts MCA card i.d. program to no avail. I also have an unknown MCA board by Pure Data
copyrighted 1987 with
4 BNC connectors. I had thought it might be an arcnet (which IIRC
PD was heavily involved with) board. Some sort of hub on a card.
What kind of chips does it have on it? Usually you can identify a these
kinds of boards based on the chips they use.
5:29 a.m.
No. Peter Wendt's program for MCA cards is truly excellent and has
supplied the ADF for many unknown cards of mine but it didn't have this one.
As a fan of MCA I've generally snapped up any I see, and most of the time
with no documentation.
Lawrence
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
That does sound like an arcnet card, although it could also be some sort
of data acquisition interface. Many arcnet cards do have an epoxy encased
module for some of the media interface circuitry.
Do you have the .adf file for this board?
-Toth
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
It's looks like a fairly simple board and there are no significant
chips that you can see. The 4 port section chips and components are
encased in black plastic-like material, similar to what I've seen on
other NICs, each on it's own section of the board. It does have 4 LEDs
on the face of the card. To indicate activity I imagine. I tried Peter
Wendts MCA card i.d. program to no avail. I also have an unknown MCA board by Pure Data
copyrighted 1987 with
4 BNC connectors. I had thought it might be an arcnet (which IIRC
PD was heavily involved with) board. Some sort of hub on a card.
What kind of chips does it have on it? Usually you can identify a these
kinds of boards based on the chips they use. 
9:44 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
That does sound like an arcnet card, although it could also be some sort
of data acquisition interface. Many arcnet cards do have an epoxy encased
module for some of the media interface circuitry.
Do you have the .adf file for this board?
-Toth
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
No. Peter Wendt's program for MCA cards is truly
excellent and has
supplied the ADF for many unknown cards of mine but it didn't have this one.
As a fan of MCA I've generally snapped up any I see, and most of the time
with no documentation.
Does it have any P/Ns on it or anything? The place I would check first is
Thomas-Conrad.
Peace... Sridhar
> I also
have an unknown MCA board by Pure Data copyrighted 1987 with
> 4 BNC connectors. I had thought it might be an arcnet (which IIRC
> PD was heavily involved with) board. Some sort of hub on a card.
What kind of chips does it have on it? Usually you can identify a these
kinds of boards based on the chips they use.
It's looks like a fairly simple board and there are no significant
chips that you can see. The 4 port section chips and components are
encased in black plastic-like material, similar to what I've seen on
other NICs, each on it's own section of the board. It does have 4 LEDs
on the face of the card. To indicate activity I imagine. I tried Peter
Wendts MCA card i.d. program to no avail. 
13 Apr
13 Apr
8:56 a.m.
--- Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> wrote:
I picked up a PCI ethernet card today that is both 10
Base T and 10 Base
2 outputs.
Not common anymore, but can be handy.
Now I will have a crash (bad term) course in
networking,
especially across different platforms.
I think there are some good how-tos off of linux.org...
I'm wondering if this card is capable of using
both outputs at once;
i.e. base 2 to my Amiga Etherrnet and base T to a cable modem or hub.
No. No card with multiple media can do that - they do make media
converters
that do have two physical connectors (10BaseT<->10BaseFL,
10Base2<->10BaseT,
etc), but that is a device designed for it.
You also cannot attach two tranceivers through a gender bender and get
anywhere, even if you provide power. OTOH, there are devices like the
DEC DELNI that do have multiple AUIs, but again, it's designed for it.
If it is an exclusive OR situation, I guess I'll
have to get another NIC
for another input/output.
It is. You will, but only if you want to turn the PC into a router.
What I have myself is a hub with 10BaseT, AUI _and_ 10Base2. An EN108,
not an EN108TP.
If all else fails, then I put Linux in the Amiga . . .
. .
Why would you want to do that? Linux on the Amiga isn't special. Linux
runs on most stuff above a certain level of sophistication (i.e., not on
an XT), but AmigaDOS is perfect for Amigas.
-ethan
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9:30 a.m.
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
You also cannot attach two tranceivers through a
gender bender and get
anywhere, even if you provide power. OTOH, there are devices like the
DEC DELNI that do have multiple AUIs, but again, it's designed for it.
They have a bunch of these over at Purdue Salvage. I think I might grab
one for 'fun'. Let me know if anyone else wants any. If not, is there
anything 'useful' inside? If they aren't wanted by anyone, I'd rather
scrap them for parts then see them in a landfill.
-- Pat
9:52 a.m.
New subject: DEC AUI stuff (was re: A2065 Ethernet)
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Looks like I'm getting my DEC 5-letter scrambles confused. I don't
remember what it was called, but it has a pair of AUIs on the back, DEC
and its name on the front, and that's about it. Network bridge of some
sort? I didn't see any other ports like a console or anything.
-- Pat
You also cannot attach two tranceivers through a
gender bender and get
anywhere, even if you provide power. OTOH, there are devices like the
DEC DELNI that do have multiple AUIs, but again, it's designed for it.
They have a bunch of these over at Purdue Salvage. I think I might grab
one for 'fun'. Let me know if anyone else wants any. If not, is there
anything 'useful' inside? If they aren't wanted by anyone, I'd rather
scrap them for parts then see them in a landfill.
2:01 p.m.
New subject: U571, the prequel?
It was mentioned on NPR this morning that there's
a movie coming up about the crackers of the enigma.
Apparently the successes of Good Will Hunting and A
Beautiful Mind have made scientists heroes again.
Anyone know the title of this movie?
John A.
7:32 p.m.
New subject: U571, the prequel?
Apologies, I found that "Enigma" has already been
released in the UK. I still have no idea when it'll be
shown here in the US, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: U571, the prequel?
It was mentioned on NPR this morning that there's
a movie coming up about the crackers of the Enigma.
Apparently the successes of Good Will Hunting and A
Beautiful Mind have made scientists heroes again.
Anyone know the title of this movie?
John A.
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