the local computer recycling place here won't actually take in any machines with hard drives intact (from companies or individuals) unless said persons can prove that the drive(s) have been 'professionally wiped' - whatever that means. The recyclers are worried about being sued by the very companies / individuals that they got the machines from in the event that any data falls into somebody elses' hands. PC clones form 99% of the stuff coming in, but it's a shame that when the odd bit of exotica does come in it is without any disks and essentially useless without a copy of the OS and a suitable drive (and the knowledge to install said OS). I understand the RAM usually gets pulled if it's anything remotely useful and the rest goes straight to the metal recyclers (I talked to them seperately and they crush everything immediately) cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page http://uk.my.yahoo.com