28 May
2002
28 May
'02
10:11 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
I received a stack of VMS CDs (originals) from a
friend. I have no
experience with VMS distrubutions on any media other than
tape. How can
I tell from the dates what version of VMS is on them? Is there a one-
Err -- you could boot them and see what save-sets you find. :)
They're not labeled?
Chris
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28 May
28 May
10:21 a.m.
--- Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> wrote:
If I had the hardware, I would... at the moment, the only DEC machine
with SCSI is my new (to me) DEC 4000-710. I have an RRD42. I can
theoretically mount the disks, but the 4000 is running DU3.2, not
OpenVMS.
I tell from
the dates what version of VMS is on them? Is there a one-
Err -- you could boot them and see what save-sets you find. :) They're not labeled?
They are labelled with a date and a "x of y". I'm not seeing anything
that says "Open VMS 6.1" or such.
-ethan
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10:47 a.m.
Ethan,
You almost surely have either the layered products or online
documentation kit. There should be a volume label printed on each disk,
such as VAXBINSEP971 (VAX binaries, Sept. 97, CD 1) or AXPDOCJUN970
(Alpha documentation, June 97, CD 10). The bootable CD for VMS itself is
a single volume, so it won't say "x of y". You are right if you are
looking for one marked "OpenVMS/VAX Vm.n" or "OpenVMS/Alpha Vm.n".
If the kit is still complete, you will have a listing of what products
are on which disk, and which version the kit / doc is.
For Alphas, you may also need to upgrade your firmware to match the VMS
version. For this reason, there is usually a firmware CD contained in
the same box that has your VMS CD. VAXen don't have this layer, so you
can forget about this step. Also, those Alphas that come with an EISA
bus will require a ECU diskette (EISA Configuration Utility).
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They're
not labeled?
They are labelled with a date and a "x of y". I'm not seeing anything
that says "Open VMS 6.1" or such. 
10:52 a.m.
Christopher Smith wrote:
Booting them is, perhaps, not the best course of action!
What to do, especiually if they are not labelled with the volume name is (and this is a
real-world session, so you'll need to change device names accordingly...)
$ mount dua4/foreign
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, VAXBINSEP931 mounted on _WXVAX$DUA4:
$! This gets you the volume name, for use below
$ dismout dua4/nounload
$! /nounload so you don't eject the CD...
$ mount dua4 VAXBINSEP931
%MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, VAXBINSEP931 mounted on _WXVAX$DUA4:
$ dir dua4:[000000]
Directory DUA4:[000000]
000000.DIR;1 A1024PAT022.DIR;1 A1024SUS020.DIR;1 A1030.DIR;1
A1MAIL012.DIR;1 ACMSDI012.DIR;1 AS030.DIR;1 BACKUP.SYS;1
BADBLK.SYS;1 BADLOG.SYS;1 BITMAP.SYS;1 CDROM.DIR;1
CONTIN.SYS;1 CORIMG.SYS;1 DECISION015.DIR;1 DECW$MOTIF011.DIR;1
DECWRITE021.DIR;1 DNVOSIMUPA056.DIR;1 DPL012.DIR;1 ESS010.DIR;1
INDEXF.SYS;1 INFOSERV030.DIR;1 LMF011.DIR;1 MAP030.DIR;1
MAPUPDATE110.DIR;1 PRESENT10A.DIR;1 QUERY016.DIR;1 README.DIR;1
RMSJNL060.DIR;1 SYSD.DIR;1 TDA014.DIR;1 TMR010.DIR;1
TMRA1011.DIR;1 UAE010.DIR;1 UCX020D.DIR;1 VAXCLU060.DIR;1
VOLSET.SYS;1 VOLSHD060.DIR;1 WPLENGLISH041.DIR;1
Total of 39 files.
$ define cd_directory dua4:[cdrom]
$! This can be a searchlist for several disks:- see [README]*.*
$ run cd_directory:cdmenu
At this point the screen will clear, and you will see
=============================
C D M E N U U T I L I T Y
=============================
(C)1990,1992 by Digital Equipment Corporation, all rights reserved.
The following are trademarks of Digital Equipment Corporation:
DEC, DIGITAL, the Digital logo, MicroVAX, MicroVMS,
VAX, VAXstation, VMS, OpenVMS.
No responsibility is assumed for the use or reliability of software
on equipment that is not supplied by Digital Equipment Corporation
or its affiliated companies.
Press <RETURN> to continue...
and when you press return...
**********************************************************************
* V1.8 *
* C D M E N U U T I L I T Y *
* *
* MAIN MENU *
* *
**********************************************************************
* *
* 1 - HELP *
* 2 - Display products *
* 3 - Display product documentation *
* 4 - Print product documentation *
* 5 - Copy product release notes *
* 6 - Install product *
* *
* Control-Z to Exit *
**********************************************************************
Enter your selection:
And you are ready to play!
If you have a version later than September 1993 then there are some things that I would
like... ('93 is circa VMS6.1, and I am running 7.2, so there are some
incompatibilities!).
Good luck,
Dave.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
I received a stack of VMS CDs (originals) from a
friend. I have no
experience with VMS distrubutions on any media other than
tape. How can
I tell from the dates what version of VMS is on them? Is there a one-
Err -- you could boot them and see what save-sets you find. :)
11:53 a.m.
--- Dave Woodman <dave(a)naffnet.org.uk> wrote:
Christopher Smith wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
>
> > I received a stack of VMS CDs (originals) from a friend...
What to do... is...
$ mount dua4/foreign
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, VAXBINSEP931 mounted on _WXVAX$DUA4:
I know how to play with tapes/disks/etc. under VMS. What I lack
at the moment is a VAX with CD-ROM (the best I have is an Alpha
with CD-ROM).
$ run cd_directory:cdmenu
.
.
.
And you are ready to play!
Handy. This is *exactly* the kind of thing I've been looking for.
If you have a version later than September 1993 then
there are some
things that I would like...
I may be able to help you.
-ethan
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12:06 p.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I'll be in touch!
--- Dave Woodman <dave(a)naffnet.org.uk> wrote:
If you can cluster your VAX and Alpha then you should be able to use the
drive remotely.
Alternatively, if you have enough disk space on the VAX then you could
do what I used to
do - dump the cdrom to a file and mount it as a virtual disk:- several
drivers are available
in the various freeware archives.
Christopher Smith wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
>
> > I received a stack of VMS CDs (originals) from a friend...
What to do... is...
$ mount dua4/foreign
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, VAXBINSEP931 mounted on _WXVAX$DUA4:
I know how to play with tapes/disks/etc. under VMS. What I lack
at the moment is a VAX with CD-ROM (the best I have is an Alpha
with CD-ROM).
$ run cd_directory:cdmenu
.
.
.
And you are ready to play!
Handy. This is *exactly* the kind of thing I've been looking for.
If you have a version later than September 1993
then there are some
things that I would like...
I may be able to help you.
-ethan
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12:38 p.m.
--- Dave Woodman <dave(a)naffnet.org.uk> wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
This is not a facetious question (I know little about clustering... we
had several standalone VAXen back in the old days, with 64Kbps sync
links between them, either running HASP or DDCMP)... *can* you cluster
a Digital Unix box with a VMS box?
I know how to play with tapes/disks/etc. under
VMS. What I lack
at the moment is a VAX with CD-ROM (the best I have is an Alpha
with CD-ROM).
If you can cluster your VAX and Alpha then you should be able to use the
drive remotely. Alternatively, if you have enough disk space on the
VAX then you could...
dump the cdrom to a file and mount it as a virtual disk...
Hmm... That's an idea. I do have this 1.2GB 3rd party ESDI box that
is one of the things I boot the 8200 from. If only I could get the DEBNT
working on the 8200. I also have a couple of KA630s and and a DEQNA,
but no DELQA. :-(
I have a quantity of 32-bit DEC stuff from 1984 - 1993, but little
that's newer (not that I've turned anything down). I guess I need
to make a road-trip to Virginia - a buddy of mine has a VAXstation
in his closet with my name on it. He got it when they decommissioned
it about two weeks before they laid him off (first the machine, then
the operator...) He's been storing it ever since. I found out last
summer that he _did_ bring it with him when he relocated. Now I just
need to get me and it in the same room. That should solve my
VAX/SCSI/Ethernet-in-the-same-box problems. Mostly, I have two of
three in the same place at the same time.
-ethan
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12:59 p.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
> This is not a facetious question (I know
little about clustering... we
> had several standalone VAXen back in the old days, with 64Kbps sync
> links between them, either running HASP or DDCMP)... *can* you cluster
> a Digital Unix box with a VMS box?
I don't know, but I would hazard a ghuess that you cannot. In any case,would
the Digital
Unix box understand the Files-11 format anyway? If not thene there is little
point in trying.
> > Alternatively, if you have enough disk
space on the VAX then you could...
> > dump the cdrom to a file and mount it as a virtual disk...
> Hmm... That's an idea. I do have this
1.2GB 3rd party ESDI box that
> is one of the things I boot the 8200 from. If only I could get the DEBNT
> working on the 8200. I also have a couple of KA630s and and a DEQNA,
> but no DELQA. :-(
DELQAs seem to go for about $10 on (squeamish people look the other way) Ebay.
The Digital Unix box would be fine to 'dd' the cd in order to get the image
though.
> I have a quantity of 32-bit DEC stuff from
1984 - 1993, but little
> that's newer (not that I've turned anything down). I guess I need
> to make a road-trip to Virginia - a buddy of mine has a VAXstation
> in his closet with my name on it. He got it when they decommissioned
> it about two weeks before they laid him off (first the machine, then
> the operator...) He's been storing it ever since. I found out last
> summer that he _did_ bring it with him when he relocated. Now I just
> need to get me and it in the same room. That should solve my
> VAX/SCSI/Ethernet-in-the-same-box problems. Mostly, I have two of
> three in the same place at the same time.
That should save you a lot of trouble...
Dave.
1:25 p.m.
--- Dave Woodman <dave(a)naffnet.org.uk> wrote:
DELQAs seem to go for about $10 on (squeamish people
look the other way)
Ebay.
I have had poor luck on ePay. I have lost more auctions than I've won
because I disagree with shipping as a profit vehicle, plus I like to
*buy* not *shop* - the BIN scheme makes things a little better, but
not as satisfying as calling someone up and *ordering* something. The
only real *win* I've had was for a very-OT automobile - a 1998 Saturn
wagon w/manual transmission for under $4K located about 2 blocks from
my old high-school. I'd better get a bunch of years out of it for that
price, let me tell you.
Plus... is that $10 for the card alone, or do you get the cab kit with
that too?
The Digital Unix box would be fine to 'dd' the
cd in order to get the
image though.
Right... so would anything else UNIXy, too.
-ethan
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3:40 p.m.
<snip>
Ethan, are you back home yet? If you need to see 'em Right Now, I've got a
few VAXStations in the basement I could plug a CDROM into. I'll be out of
town wed about 10 AM to sat noon, but after that anytime is ok. Don't
forget the DMB32.
Bob
4:47 p.m.
--- Robert Schaefer <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org> wrote:
<snip>
Ethan, are you back home yet?
Yes.
If you need to see 'em Right Now, I've got a
few VAXStations in the basement I could plug a CDROM into.
Not time critical.
I'll be out of town wed about 10 AM to sat noon,
but after that anytime
is ok. Don't forget the DMB32.
I won't. It's late enough that let's let this go until Sat/Sun, OK?
-ethan
Bob
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5:01 p.m.
--- Dave Woodman <dave(a)naffnet.org.uk> wrote:
> > If you have a version later than September
1993 then there are some
> > things that I would like...
OK... Knowing a little more than I did before, here's what I have...
NAS for OpenVMS VAX 3.0 (software+docs) June, 1993 VAXNAS25JUN1
OpenVMS VAX Version 6.0 Sep, 1993 OPENVMSVAX60
OpenVMS VAX Consolidated Software Dist Sep, 1993 VAXBINSEP931...
OpenVMS VAX Online Doc Library Sep, 1993 VAXDOCSEP931...
OpenVMS VAX Consolidated Software Dist Nov, 1993 VAXBINNOV931...
OpenVMS VAX Online Doc Library Nov, 1993 VAXDOCNOV931...
NAS for OpenVMS VAX 4.0 (docs) Dec, 1993 VAXNAS10DEC2
OpenVMS VAX Consolidated Software Dist Jan, 1994 VAXBINJAN941...
OpenVMS VAX Online Doc Library Jan, 1994 VAXDOCJAN941...
If it's a multi-disc set, I have all the discs (11 of 11 and 3 of 3,
typically).
So... I throw the OPENVMSVAX60 into a CD-ROM on a VAXstation and go
from there, I'd wager. What I'm now not sure
about is how to/if I
can go from VMS 6.0 to VMS 6.1 with what I have.
-ethan
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29 May
29 May
12:27 a.m.
Ethan,
why would you need to update?
So... I throw the OPENVMSVAX60 into a CD-ROM on a
VAXstation and go
from there, I'd wager. What I'm now not sure about is how to/if I
can go from VMS 6.0 to VMS 6.1 with what I have.
The procedure should work.
With what you list, I don't see a way to upgrade: you have the
OPENVMSVAX60 CD, so you can install V6.0. Gues what CD you would need
for V6.1... ;-)
OTOH, what forces you to upgrade? - If you want to cluster a VAX to an
Alpha running 6.1, that should be OK: this is the usual way to upgrade a
cluster, you can mix versions if they are not too far apart (there will
be compatibility lists in the Installation And Upgrade Manuals to
explain what "too far" means), and 6.0 vs. 6.1 doesn't sound "far"
to
me.
--
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Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany
http://www.vishay.com
28 May
28 May
12:08 p.m.
New subject: Mostly-OT: Tracking down drive sleds/trays for HP NetServer
Greetings folks,
I picked up a HP NetServer LM the other week for a whopping $2, remarkably
whole I'm pleased to say.
What the unit is lacking is drive sleds (Or trays, as the HP folks seem to
call them), specifically removeable trays in a 5.25" size, part number
D2199A.
Can anyone help me out?
The HP was made in '93, so its just slightly under the 10-year rule, I
hope no one minds my sneakiness too much.
Thanks all,
JP Hindin
29 May
29 May
12:35 p.m.
Hi Ethan,
Is the yahoo address given in your messages valid? I cannot email
you at that address:- I get a bounce message along the lines of
Delay reason: SMTP error from remote mailer after initial connection:
host mx1.mail.yahoo.com [64.157.4.81]: 421 VS2-IP5 Excessive unknown
recipients - possible Open Relay
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/spam/spam-18.html (#4.1.8)
Which is a bit of a problem, since there is no open relay here...
Do you have an alternative address that I could try?
Cheers,
Dave.
1:43 p.m.
--- Dave Woodman <dave(a)naffnet.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Ethan,
Is the yahoo address given in your messages valid?
Yes.
...I get a bounce message...
No idea why you are getting that. I have been receiving mail all day
from other sources.
Do you have an alternative address that I could try?
erd(a)infinet.com
If it's related to Alpha/VMS distros, I may have located a source
here in town - the same place I got the VAX distros from - he's
about 4 blocks away!
-ethan
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