26 Sep
2018
26 Sep
'18
1:05 p.m.
Does anyone have install media for DG/UX targeted for M88100 CPUs
(specifically Aviion)? Any version
Thanks,
-Alan
26 Sep
26 Sep
1:16 p.m.
I too am very interested in this - I just picked up an AViiON on eBay and I?m excited to
restore it but have seen precious little in the way of OS images or manuals and the like
Sophie
On Sep 26, 2018, at 1:05 PM, alan--- via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Does anyone have install media for DG/UX targeted for M88100 CPUs
(specifically Aviion)? Any version
Thanks,
-Alan
28 Sep
28 Sep
10:20 a.m.
New subject: ImageCraft ICC11 v5 or v6 ?
hi
does anyone happen to have ImageCraft ICC11 v5 or v6?
I can't find it, and it's an dead abandoned product =(
26 Sep
26 Sep
1:58 p.m.
Alan, I have an archive of Aviion documentation and DG/UX 4.30 in a bz2
file. The total amount of the archive is about 62 MB. I can upload the
archive if you have a ftp site.
Martin
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Subject: DG/UX install media
Does anyone have install media for DG/UX targeted for M88100 CPUs
(specifically Aviion)? Any version
Thanks,
-Alan
27 Sep
27 Sep
12:04 p.m.
On 09/26/2018 11:58 AM, Martin Marshall via cctalk wrote:
Alan, I have an archive of Aviion documentation and
DG/UX 4.30 in a
bz2 file. The total amount of the archive is about 62 MB. I can upload
the archive if you have a ftp site.
Warren Toomey (BCCed for privacy) with The Unix Heritage Society would
probably be interested in a copy of said DG/UX archive. I suspect it's
close enough to TUHS's goals to be of interest.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
12:11 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:04 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 09/26/2018 11:58 AM, Martin Marshall via cctalk
wrote:
He's always interested in *ANY* unix distribution he doesn't already have.
His goal is their preservation first. You can't argue about whether or not
you have the rights to distribute something that doesn't exist, so he's
making it possible to have that argument :)
Warner
Alan, I have an archive of Aviion documentation
and DG/UX 4.30 in a
bz2 file. The total amount of the archive is about 62 MB. I can upload
the archive if you have a ftp site.
Warren Toomey (BCCed for privacy) with The Unix Heritage Society would
probably be interested in a copy of said DG/UX archive. I suspect it's
close enough to TUHS's goals to be of interest.
12:38 p.m.
On 09/27/2018 10:11 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
He's always interested in *ANY* unix distribution
he doesn't already have.
His goal is their preservation first. You can't argue about whether
or not you have the rights to distribute something that doesn't exist,
so he's making it possible to have that argument :)
Agreed.
I'm also fairly certain that Warren / TUHS has software that he doesn't
make available because of questions about the legality. He's simply
holding onto a copy of and preserving it for when the legality question
is asked and / or the answer changes.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
12:49 p.m.
AViiON Aficionatos -
Resolution of questions regarding DG/UX software title, licensing and
availability will be announced next month at the Nova-At-50.org conference.
Bruce Ray
Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc.
Boulder, Colorado USA
bkr at WildHareComputers.com
...preserving the Data General legacy: www.NovasAreForever.org
On 9/27/2018 10:38 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 09/27/2018 10:11 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
He's always interested in *ANY* unix
distribution he doesn't already
have. His goal is their preservation first. You can't argue about
whether or not you have the rights to distribute something that
doesn't exist, so he's making it possible to have that argument :)
Agreed.
I'm also fairly certain that Warren / TUHS has software that he doesn't
make available because of questions about the legality.? He's simply
holding onto a copy of and preserving it for when the legality question
is asked and / or the answer changes.
10:10 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 10:38 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 09/27/2018 10:11 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
Correct. He has s larger collection of artifacts than he makes available
generally.
Warner
He's always interested in *ANY* unix
distribution he doesn't already
have.
His goal is their preservation first. You
can't argue about whether
or not you have the rights to distribute something that doesn't exist,
so he's making it possible to have that argument :)
Agreed.
I'm also fairly certain that Warren / TUHS has software that he doesn't
make available because of questions about the legality. He's simply
holding onto a copy of and preserving it for when the legality question
is asked and / or the answer changes.
10 Oct
10 Oct
5:05 p.m.
All,
Martin's uploads are temporarily hosted at https://www.atlhcs.org/dgux/.
However I have not been able to read the ISO images - as they don't
appear to have the proper magic/headers for ISO. Can anyone else work
their file-type-foo on them and give me any hints?
Thanks,
-Alan
On 2018-09-26 13:58, Martin Marshall wrote:
Alan, I have an archive of Aviion documentation and
DG/UX 4.30 in a bz2
file. The total amount of the archive is about 62 MB. I can upload
the
archive if you have a ftp site.
Martin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> alan--
> - via cctalk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:05 AM
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: DG/UX install media
>
> Does anyone have install media for DG/UX targeted for M88100 CPUs
> (specifically Aviion)? Any version
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Alan
11 Oct
11 Oct
5:33 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:06 PM alan--- via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
However I have not been able to read the ISO images
- as they don't
appear to have the proper magic/headers for ISO. Can anyone else work
their file-type-foo on them and give me any hints?
One of them is ISO:
[tingo at kg-elitebook ISOs]$ file *[iIsSoO]
C2 Trusted DGUX Option Rev 5.4R3.00T.iso: data
DGUX 5.4R3.00.ISO: data
DGUX 5.4R3.10 Documentation.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem
data 'DOCUMENTATION_CDROM'
DGUX 5.4R3-R3.10.MU01.ISO: data
Maybe they are just dumps? In whatever format DG/UX expects
There could be hints on the documentation ISO.
Unfortunately, the files on the documentation ISO is in "WorldView"
format (aka "printerleaf") and a converter (pl2ps) can't be easily
found.
But - iview for Windows (NT) is on the ISO, maybe it will run under WINE?
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
6:25 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 11:33, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Maybe they are just dumps? In whatever format DG/UX expects
There could be hints on the documentation ISO.
Unfortunately, the files on the documentation ISO is in "WorldView"
format (aka "printerleaf") and a converter (pl2ps) can't be easily
found.
But - iview for Windows (NT) is on the ISO, maybe it will run under WINE?
From my experience with Acorn RISC OS and classic MacOS
machines and
CDs, I found that though they can mount and read standard CD images
formats, for booting and installing, they tended to need media
formatted with those OSes' own filesystems. I think VMS is the same.
So there might well be an ISO image for stuff you might need on other
machines, and the rest in some DG/UX filesystem -- I have never seen
it so I have no idea what. AO/VS II? UFS or some variant thereof?
In the spirit of blind fumbling I might just try loopback-mounting the
images on a modern-ish Linux and see if it can autodetect the FS.
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7:42 a.m.
I've tried loop mounting with no success. Is there a software tool
(Linux or Windows) that will burn a non-ISO image to a CD? Most
expect/assume ISO-9660.
I don't have a keyboard or proper SCSI cable yet for my Aviion, so I
can't try booting anything. I supposed I could just point a SCSI2SD
emulator at those files and see what happens.
Thanks,
-Alan
On 2018-10-11 06:25, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 11:33, Torfinn Ingolfsen via
cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Maybe they are just dumps? In whatever format DG/UX expects
There could be hints on the documentation ISO.
Unfortunately, the files on the documentation ISO is in "WorldView"
format (aka "printerleaf") and a converter (pl2ps) can't be easily
found.
But - iview for Windows (NT) is on the ISO, maybe it will run under
WINE?
From my experience with Acorn RISC OS and classic MacOS machines and
CDs, I found that though they can mount and read standard CD images
formats, for booting and installing, they tended to need media
formatted with those OSes' own filesystems. I think VMS is the same.
So there might well be an ISO image for stuff you might need on other
machines, and the rest in some DG/UX filesystem -- I have never seen
it so I have no idea what. AO/VS II? UFS or some variant thereof?
In the spirit of blind fumbling I might just try loopback-mounting the
images on a modern-ish Linux and see if it can autodetect the FS. 
8:06 a.m.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 07:42 alan--- via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I've tried loop mounting with no success. Is there a software tool
(Linux or Windows) that will burn a non-ISO image to a CD? Most
expect/assume ISO-9660.
cdrecord or wodim should burn anything you want to the disk. They wouldn't
care if it contains an iso9660 filesystem or not.
Pat
10:01 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 13:42, alan--- via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I've tried loop mounting with no success. Is there a software tool
(Linux or Windows) that will burn a non-ISO image to a CD? Most
expect/assume ISO-9660.
On Windows (a few years ago, I no longer run it in normal use), my
personal favourite was ImgBurn. Simple, free, Just Works?.
http://www.imgburn.com/
From the site:
?
ImgBurn supports a wide range of image file formats - including BIN,
CCD, CDI, CUE, DI, DVD, GI, IMG, ISO, MDS, NRG and PDI.
?
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11:02 a.m.
I'm pretty sure these are just raw images, as Torfinn suggested. If
you run strings(1) on them, you see the contents of all sorts of shell
scripts and the text portion of binaries, etc. I'm guessing that the
images have a partition table header that libmagic just doesn't know
about.
I'm waiting on a new NVRAM chip to arrive in order to boot my AViiON
from these disks - if that arrives before we verify the
disks, I'll
report back with how it goes.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:02 AM Liam Proven via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 13:42, alan--- via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I've tried loop mounting with no success. Is there a software tool
(Linux or Windows) that will burn a non-ISO image to a CD? Most
expect/assume ISO-9660.
On Windows (a few years ago, I no longer run it in normal use), my
personal favourite was ImgBurn. Simple, free, Just Works?.
http://www.imgburn.com/
From the site:
?
ImgBurn supports a wide range of image file formats - including BIN,
CCD, CDI, CUE, DI, DVD, GI, IMG, ISO, MDS, NRG and PDI.
?
--
Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven
Email: lproven at cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven at gmail.com
Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven
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11:38 a.m.
If you haven't found it already:
https://secure.ping.de/~fdc/m88k/av300/nvram.html
-Alan
On 2018-10-11 11:02, Sophie Haskins via cctalk wrote:
I'm pretty sure these are just raw images, as
Torfinn suggested. If
you run strings(1) on them, you see the contents of all sorts of shell
scripts and the text portion of binaries, etc. I'm guessing that the
images have a partition table header that libmagic just doesn't know
about.
I'm waiting on a new NVRAM chip to arrive in order to boot my AViiON
from these disks - if that arrives before we verify the disks, I'll
report back with how it goes.
12 Oct
12 Oct
8:22 p.m.
On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Sophie Haskins via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I'm pretty sure these are just raw images, as Torfinn suggested.
Sophie is correct. What?s commonly referred to as an ISO is just a raw dump of the bytes
on a volume; there?s no imposed structure, no imposed file headers, nothing like that.
Some people would like it to mean ?an image of an ISO-9660 filesystem? but that?s almost
never been the case.
For example, an ?ISO? of a Silicon Graphics installation CD-ROM will probably start with
the Irix volume header, rather than anything ISO-9660 related.
So if you get something calling itself an ISO, you need to know its provenance before you
can actually do anything with it, because even if it?s a dump of the bytes on a CD-ROM, it
has no formal structure.
-- Chris
11 Oct
11 Oct
7:17 p.m.
On 10/11/2018 2:33 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:06 PM alan--- via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I looked at the three "data" ISOs, and there is
something going on which
appears to be a 512 byte related relation.
Also two of them have a reference to bad blocks, which are probably not
related to cdroms.
Someone else suggested these were dumps of hard drives or such, which
seems very likely.
Not surprising that they are not making sense as an ISO image.
thanks
jim
However I have not been able to read the ISO
images - as they don't
appear to have the proper magic/headers for ISO. Can anyone else work
their file-type-foo on them and give me any hints?
One of them is ISO:
[tingo at kg-elitebook ISOs]$ file *[iIsSoO]
C2 Trusted DGUX Option Rev 5.4R3.00T.iso: data
DGUX 5.4R3.00.ISO: data
DGUX 5.4R3.10 Documentation.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem
data 'DOCUMENTATION_CDROM'
DGUX 5.4R3-R3.10.MU01.ISO: data
Maybe they are just dumps? In whatever format DG/UX expects
There could be hints on the documentation ISO.
Unfortunately, the files on the documentation ISO is in "WorldView"
format (aka "printerleaf") and a converter (pl2ps) can't be easily
found.
But - iview for Windows (NT) is on the ISO, maybe it will run under WINE?
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen 
10:58 p.m.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 4:17 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/11/2018 2:33 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk wrote:
FYI: I just burned "DGUX 5.43-R3.10.MU1.ISO to disc and booted it
successfully on my AViiON 8500.
Haven't tried the others yet, but I'm guessing they're OK too.
- Josh
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:06 PM alan--- via
cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I looked at the three "data" ISOs, and there is
something going on which
appears to be a 512 byte related relation.
Also two of them have a reference to bad blocks, which are probably not
related to cdroms.
Someone else suggested these were dumps of hard drives or such, which
seems very likely.
Not surprising that they are not making sense as an ISO image.
thanks
jim
However I have not been able to read the ISO
images - as they don't
appear to have the proper magic/headers for ISO. Can anyone else work
their file-type-foo on them and give me any hints?
One of them is ISO:
[tingo at kg-elitebook ISOs]$ file *[iIsSoO]
C2 Trusted DGUX Option Rev 5.4R3.00T.iso: data
DGUX 5.4R3.00.ISO: data
DGUX 5.4R3.10 Documentation.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem
data 'DOCUMENTATION_CDROM'
DGUX 5.4R3-R3.10.MU01.ISO: data
Maybe they are just dumps? In whatever format DG/UX expects
There could be hints on the documentation ISO.
Unfortunately, the files on the documentation ISO is in "WorldView"
format (aka "printerleaf") and a converter (pl2ps) can't be easily
found.
But - iview for Windows (NT) is on the ISO, maybe it will run under WINE?
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
12 Oct
12 Oct
7:54 a.m.
Thanks Josh! I knew you were good for something despite what Stephan
says... :)
-Alan
On 2018-10-11 22:58, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
FYI: I just burned "DGUX 5.43-R3.10.MU1.ISO to
disc and booted it
successfully on my AViiON 8500.
Haven't tried the others yet, but I'm guessing they're OK too.
- Josh
1 Oct
1 Oct
1:23 p.m.
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Does anyone have install media for DG/UX targeted for M88100 CPUs
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Thanks,
-Alan
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