26 Jan
1998
26 Jan
'98
12:29 p.m.
I just picked up a book on Macintosh Think C (MS Press, 50c, I didn't
bother getting Macsbug and others, also 50c each). For one thing, does
anyone have an extra/unvalued license copy of THINK C, version 2.1-5.0?
Also, what was the first programming language (I mean not binary or
assembly)?
Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything, usually with
about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
did they put in there?
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26 Jan
26 Jan
12:51 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:29:39 PST, you said:
Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything,
usually with
about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
did they put in there?
IIRC, the original IBM PC came with 64K, monochrome, a cassette
interface, and Basic in ROM. Of course, many buyers upgraded.
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Barry Peterson bmpete(a)swbell.net
Husband to Diane, Father to Doug,
Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.
2:01 p.m.
At 02:51 AM 1/27/98 GMT, you wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:29:39 PST, you said:
BTW has anyone ever seen someone use the cassette port? I supported
several hundred early PC user's and never even heard of anyone using the
cassette port.
Joe
Another thing: CP/M was run on just about
everything, usually with
about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
did they put in there?
IIRC, the original IBM PC came with 64K, monochrome, a cassette
interface, and Basic in ROM. Of course, many buyers upgraded. _______________
Barry Peterson bmpete(a)swbell.net
Husband to Diane, Father to Doug,
Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.
2:36 p.m.
BTW has anyone ever seen someone use the cassette
port? I supported
several hundred early PC user's and never even heard of anyone using the
cassette port.
Well, just off the top of my head, the original IBM PC came with two 5 1/4"
floppy drives. That tells me you'd have to be crazy to even attempt using
the cassette interface. Either that or have some special purpose
application (don't even want to imagine what).
Zane
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9:52 a.m.
Snip!
Well, just off the top of my head, the original IBM PC
came
with two 5 1/4"
floppy drives. That tells me you'd have to be crazy to even attempt using
the cassette interface. Either that or have some special purpose
application (don't even want to imagine what).
Zane
AGain, off my head. :)
To develop on this topic, actually, IBM offered both or three
options: on original first PC:
one is has no floppy relying on basic ROM for anything and tape port,
two is has one drive and number three has both.
The orignals were lower density like 320k each at first but quickly
gone after XT came out with standard 360k drive or two, or floppy and
10mb HD.
Jason D.
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Pero, Jason D.
3:03 p.m.
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:36:26 -0800, you said:
No, the drives were optional. DOS was sold separately. I've had PC's
with the cassette connector but never seen anything connect to it.
_______________
Barry Peterson bmpete(a)swbell.net
Husband to Diane, Father to Doug,
Grandfather to Zoe and Tegan.
BTW has
anyone ever seen someone use the cassette port? I supported
several hundred early PC user's and never even heard of anyone using the
cassette port.
Well, just off the top of my head, the original IBM PC came with two 5 1/4"
floppy drives. That tells me you'd have to be crazy to even attempt using
the cassette interface. Either that or have some special purpose
application (don't even want to imagine what). 
27 Jan
27 Jan
3:34 a.m.
On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Barry Peterson wrote:
Only the original 64K motherboards had the cassette connector. IBM
quickly dropped this from the next revision as by this time (1981)
most everyone was using floppies anyway, at least in business
environments. I doubt I or anyone else will ever see an IBM PC without
mass storage of any kind (floppy, hard drive). I've never seen one with
anything less than two full height 5.25" floppies.
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Well, just off
the top of my head, the original IBM PC came with two 5 1/4"
floppy drives. That tells me you'd have to be crazy to even attempt using
the cassette interface. Either that or have some special purpose
application (don't even want to imagine what).
No, the drives were optional. DOS was sold separately. I've had PC's
with the cassette connector but never seen anything connect to it. 
6:52 a.m.
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10:23 a.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Although I might use it a little more seriously sometime. I have a
training board called a Microprofesssor 1/88 that has a machine code
monitor in ROM that can load IBM PC tapes. So that would be one way of
transfering data onto that machine.
I hope the first tape program you write is the floppy loader...
-Mike
Joe
-tony
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26 Jan
26 Jan
2:42 p.m.
Also, what was the first programming language (I mean
not binary or
assembly)?
Off the top of my head COBOL (COmmon Business Oriented Language), followed
shortly thereafter by FORTRAN (FORmula TRANslation). One was for Business
the other for Science, I'll leave it up to you to decide which was which :^)
This of course assumes you don't consider a box of short lenghts of wire a
language.
Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything,
usually with
about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
did they put in there?
Face it Billy boy is an incompetent thief, and a strong believer in code bloat.
Zane
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2:57 p.m.
First ever? I believe was ForTran. Which was just that formula
translation from math formulae, i.e. trajectories, over to ML.
But I guess there were probably many local tranlators and interpreters
for developed locally. It was just that ForTran was a Navy thing..
-Mike
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Also, what was the first programming language (I
mean not binary or
assembly)?
Off the top of my head COBOL (COmmon Business Oriented Language), followed
shortly thereafter by FORTRAN (FORmula TRANslation). One was for Business
the other for Science, I'll leave it up to you to decide which was which :^)
This of course assumes you don't consider a box of short lenghts of wire a
language.
Another thing: CP/M was run on just about
everything, usually with
about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What
did they put in there?
Face it Billy boy is an incompetent thief, and a strong believer in code bloat.
Zane
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| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. |
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3:08 p.m.
First ever? I believe was ForTran. Which was just that
formula
translation from math formulae, i.e. trajectories, over to ML.
But I guess there were probably many local tranlators and interpreters
for developed locally. It was just that ForTran was a Navy thing..
Hmmm, I was thinking it was COBOL that Admiral Hopper had helped to
develop. What can I say, it's been a few years since I've looked at the
Navy manuals that would tell.
Zane
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