On Jan 29, 10:28, Mike Ford wrote: third? The very first computer I used was an Elliott 4100 which belonged to a large local bank. I was at secondary (high) school, and we wrote programs in Algol on coding forms, handed them in, and got printout back a week later. Usually it was an error listing, unfortunately. Well, it taught me the worh of desk testing and dry-running at an early age:-) I never got to see the computer, though. The school did have it's own Teletype (ASR33) and I got to admire that. If you ever come across a copy, the textbook we used was "Computer Programming for Schools: First steps in Algol", by Donald Michie, Andrew Ortony, and R.M.Burstall. The teacher thanked in the preface for class-testing the material was my maths teacher, and I still have my original copy of the book. It cost 10 shillings (50p, or about 70 cents) in 1969. The next machine I came across would have been one of the three PDP-8s at a high school where I worked as a technician about 1980. They had a PDP-8/E, and 8/F (I think), and one other which I can't remember, as well as a similar-sized HP. The 8/F was mounted on a frame with castors and often connected to a VDU; the 8/E was in a rack with two TU56s, and the other, called EDWARD (Electronic Device With Auxiliary Rotating Disks) was in a dual rack with a high speed papertape reader, a pair of RK05s, and some extra core. It also had a VDU and (wonder of wonders) a "fast" Anadex 8000 parallel printer. The 8/E ran one of the multiuser Edusystem OSs, though I can't remember which one; it had three ASR33s attached. I never got any of those machines, though I kept in touch with some of the enthusiasts amoung the staff. Some years ago, I was saddened to discover on a trip to help them with the 11/34 that replaced the -8s, that all the -8 stuff had been junked when it became too hard to look after. However, I now have a PDP-8/E of my own, though not as well endowed as the one at that school. The same school got an Apple ][ while I was there, and one of the early (pre-production) BBC Micros. I now have an Apple ][+ of my own, not from that school, but from one nearby. When I left that school to work as a microcomputer technician at a local college (run by the same Local Education Authority) I bought an Exidy Sorcerer. I sold that eventually, but kept in touch with its new owner for a while. I eventually got a replacement a few years ago. I used to use a converted TV with it, but eventually bought a little 9" mono monitor, which I still have (it's useful because it has a wide sync range and unusually large brightness and gain ranges). The college had several PETs, a few 2001's and several 3000 and 4000 series, some with a MuPET disk sharing "network". It was horribly unreliable, I remember, due to long ribbon cables, flaky connectors, and fairly awful software. I don't have any of those college machines, but I do have a 2001-8K and an 8050 dual drive, and used to have a 3032. My first printer was a Creed 7 teleprinter, with a Heath Robinson arrangement of mains transformers mounted on plywood, and a kludge board to convert current-loop to sort-of-RS232. I remember having great trouble finding 10_1/2" fanfold paper for it, as most paper by then was 11_1/2" wide. Luckily a friend who worked at the computer centre at oneof the banks got me some. The next problem was getting the right baud rate, so I made a little adapter to fit in the Sorcerer, so it generated 50 baud and 300 baud on the serial interface instead of 300 and 1200. The last problem was the character set -- 5-bit teleprinter code, not ASCII. I hand-assembled a driver to deal with that. I found the original tape the other day. Oh, and I remember removing some of the print hammers and modifying them so that by overstriking, I could do a reasonable impression of most of the characters in the uppper-case ASCII set. I inherited some money from a relative a year or two later, and replaced the TV with the monitor, and the Creed with a Centronics 737. I worked out how to make the 8039 MCU in the printer read an external ROM instead of the on-chip code, and turned my 737 into a 739 (the main difference is the ability to print graphics). I still have the printer. At the college, I got more interested in BBC Micros, and got two of my own. I sold the Sorcerer to pay for the first one, a Model A, and saved for a while to buy the parts to upgrade it to a Model B. Then I got another Model B, and much later another, and other models. Some time around 1984/85 I wired two rooms in the house with an Econet network for the Beebs. I don't have those original machines any more (I hope one day I'll catch up with the *** who borrowed Serial No. 629 and never returned it) but I have several of about the same age. In fact I've had (and still have) quite a lot of Acorn stuff, as evntually I went to work for them. I still have my first Archimedes, serial number 0000002. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York