29 Jan
2002
29 Jan
'02
10:59 a.m.
Steve
Subject: Re: S/370 docs (was: Re: IBM big iron.)
have a stack of /36 docs that I'd like to part
with.
Please, please, please ! I've been out here begging
for just these docs (and disks if they can be had).
I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please reply
off list with whatever persuasion is required to at
least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to
scan them all and make them available.
Thanks,
Colin Eby
Senior Consulant
CSC Consulting
out2sea00(a)yahoo.com
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30 Jan
30 Jan
6:02 p.m.
New subject: S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)
I'm working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please
reply
off list with whatever persuasion is required to at
least allow me the use of them. I'd be very happy to
scan them all and make them available.
While I am all for saving and scanning docs for older computers - I must
say that this latest talk about scanning and making public relatively
current IBM stuff is scary and dangerous. S/370(ish)s and S/36s are still
out there, in suprising numbers. IBM has NOT given any permission for us
to make the information public. Please, people, do not make this stuff
public until IBM blesses it. They have been turning a blind eye in the
classic computing world, but we would not want them to clamp down, would
we? Lets wait a few years...anyway, S/36 and S/370 docs are fairly common.
Now older IBMs - 650s, 1130s, and the like - are pretty much fair game,
and I doubt IBM would really care. S/1s, S/3s, S/7s, S/88s, 8100s, and PC
stuff, however, might cause problems.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
7:40 p.m.
New subject: S/36Doc (skating on thin ice)
Hi all,
An example of doing this in a way that avoided legal
entanglements is what the 1620 Project at Computer
History Museum (www.computerhistory.org) did. In the
process of working with IBM, the 1620 Project obtained
permission from IBM to scan all 1620 related
documentation and software with the goal of making it
available via the Museum's web site (via the Museum's
CyberMuseum Project).
The process took took well over a year, involving IBM
legal and Lou Gerstner's office. Dave Babock, the
project manager and driving force behind the 1620
restoration sheparded this difficult and tedious
process. It turns out that the 1620 Project obtained
permission to scan/post not only the 1620
documentation, but also a wide range of System/360,
unit record, and material covering other systems of
that era.
There have been conversations about expanding this
Agreement to other systems and the Museum obtaining
copyright releases for other IP. We have a good
working relationship with IBM so I am optimistic about
that happening at some point in the future.
I agree with most of Bill's comments about the danger
of duplicating and disseminating these documents.
However, IBM will not turn a blind eye to copyright
violations of IP just because a document is for an
'older' system. If IBM ignored an IP violation, that
could be used to weaken copyright claims on any of
their other copyrighted material - old or new. I'm not
a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, but I doubt if
there is a distinction with regards to a document
being associated with a a system which is no longer
sold (other than the expiration/non-renewal of a
copyright). My $0.02.
Email with questions/comments.
Regards,
Lee Courtney
--- William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote:
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I'm
working on reviving a 5362 right now. Please
reply
off list with whatever persuasion is required to
at
least allow me the use of them. I'd be very
happy
to
scan them all and make them available.
While I am all for saving and scanning docs for
older computers - I must
say that this latest talk about scanning and making
public relatively
current IBM stuff is scary and dangerous.
S/370(ish)s and S/36s are still
out there, in suprising numbers. IBM has NOT given
any permission for us
to make the information public. Please, people, do
not make this stuff
public until IBM blesses it. They have been turning
a blind eye in the
classic computing world, but we would not want them
to clamp down, would
we? Lets wait a few years...anyway, S/36 and S/370
docs are fairly common.
Now older IBMs - 650s, 1130s, and the like - are
pretty much fair game,
and I doubt IBM would really care. S/1s, S/3s, S/7s,
S/88s, 8100s, and PC
stuff, however, might cause problems.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
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