17 Aug
2016
17 Aug
'16
11:26 p.m.
Hi
I've been running and looking at the PDP-8/E INSTRUCTION TEST 1. And it
is supposed to write the BEL (07) character after each round of passed
tests. However the code loads and outputs the constant "0207", which is
07 with the eigth bit set. I think the 8/E serial interface outputs all
eight bits in this case?
I suppose a real ASR-33 would ignore the eight bit?
Why does the code not load 07?
Thank you,
Pontus.
18 Aug
18 Aug
8:57 a.m.
I've been running and looking at the PDP-8/E
INSTRUCTION TEST 1. And it
is supposed to write the BEL (07) character after each round of passed
tests. However the code loads and outputs the constant "0207", which is
07 with the eigth bit set. I think the 8/E serial interface outputs all
eight bits in this case?
I suppose a real ASR-33 would ignore the eight bit?
Why does the code not load 07?
I would guess it is sending it as 7 (data) bits and even parity.
-tony
9:08 a.m.
From: Pontus Pihlgren: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 11:26 PM
I've been running and looking at the PDP-8/E
INSTRUCTION TEST 1. And it
is supposed to write the BEL (07) character after each round of passed
tests. However the code loads and outputs the constant "0207", which is
07 with the eigth bit set. I think the 8/E serial interface outputs all
eight bits in this case?
Yes; the serial interfaces were also used to send and receive 8-bit binary
as well as ASCII, so 8 bits are sent and received.
I suppose a real ASR-33 would ignore the eight bit?
Why does the code not load 07?
The teletypes used were typically set for "mark parity", so the ASCII
input data had the high bit set. The program is presumably mimicking
the code received from the TTY if BEL were input. The TTY will indeed
set the bit for keyboard input (paper tape in/out is 8 bits), and ignore it
for teleprinter output.
The character set itself is 7 bit, and it is conventional not to treat the
eighth bit as part of the character, so the ASCII charts pretend it doesn't
exist.
Vince
23 Aug
23 Aug
12:35 a.m.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 09:08:59AM -0700, Vincent Slyngstad wrote:
Aha! I, in my somewhat more modern mindset, imagined that the serial
interface would handle parity but I realize now it probably makes more
sense to do it in software and keep the hardware simple.
Thank you for clarifying.
/P
From: Pontus Pihlgren: Wednesday, August 17, 2016
11:26 PM
This is what had me confused, the ASR TTY is 7-bit but the ASR punch is
8-bit.
I've been running and looking at the PDP-8/E
INSTRUCTION TEST 1. And it is
supposed to write the BEL (07) character after each round of passed tests.
However the code loads and outputs the constant "0207", which is 07 with
the eigth bit set. I think the 8/E serial interface outputs all eight bits
in this case?
Yes; the serial interfaces were also used to send and receive 8-bit binary
as well as ASCII, so 8 bits are sent and received. I suppose a real ASR-33 would ignore the eight
bit?
Why does the code not load 07?
The teletypes used were typically set for "mark parity", so the ASCII input
data had the high bit set. The program is presumably mimicking the code
received from the TTY if BEL were input. The TTY will indeed set the bit
for keyboard input (paper tape in/out is 8 bits), and ignore it for
teleprinter output.
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