29 Jun
2000
29 Jun
'00
3:34 a.m.
Well...
It would be an entire building, I like Marvin's 10,000 sq ft. minimum, as
for the fire protection, I'd for sure want halon or something similar, i.e.
NO water! A raised floor of course, but with twice the normal height under
the floor. Also, a basement area containing some massive transformers (so I
could get 440 volt power), and diesel generators in the event of power
failure. There would also be room for a water cooling system, in the event I
ever get lucky enough to own an IBM 3033 or other water-cooled machine.
Central air is a must, I'd require it to be a positive air flow environent,
meeting mil specs. Definetly climate-controlled, I like the fireproof room
for docs and software idea, also a seperate room for spare boards and misc
stuff. It would have to have an area for disk pack storage too. Another
seperate workshop-type room, with logic analyzer, scope, etc. Also, multiple
humongous 3-phase UPS's, just in case. Hell, why not my own substation?
Also, a loading dock at semi height would be good, and there would be a nice
long sloped ramp too.
Will J
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29 Jun
3:55 a.m.
Sounds like that off-shore drilling platform we have been hearing about
<grin>
I've made a start on mine. I just bought a house on a community airstrip
and it has a 1200 sq ft hangar. I don't have a plane yet so here is the
plan.
1. Move collection into the hangar. - DONE
2. Move into the house - This weekend
3. Start planning for remodel to include second story over garage and
hangar. - Planning
4. Organize collection in hangar. Take inventory for the first time.
5. Weed out stuff that doesn't fit with collection. Offer orphans to this
group for cost of shipping . (No big iron here)
6. Remodel (Start purging exccess inventory)
7. Move Collection into allocated area of remodel.
8. Start shopping for airplane now that computers have a new home.
Probably a 10 year plan but at least the collection is dry and protected.
George
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Will Jennings wrote:
Well...
It would be an entire building, I like Marvin's 10,000 sq ft. minimum, as
for the fire protection, I'd for sure want halon or something similar, i.e.
NO water! A raised floor of course, but with twice the normal height under
the floor. Also, a basement area containing some massive transformers (so I
could get 440 volt power), and diesel generators in the event of power
failure. There would also be room for a water cooling system, in the event I
ever get lucky enough to own an IBM 3033 or other water-cooled machine.
Central air is a must, I'd require it to be a positive air flow environent,
meeting mil specs. Definetly climate-controlled, I like the fireproof room
for docs and software idea, also a seperate room for spare boards and misc
stuff. It would have to have an area for disk pack storage too. Another
seperate workshop-type room, with logic analyzer, scope, etc. Also, multiple
humongous 3-phase UPS's, just in case. Hell, why not my own substation?
Also, a loading dock at semi height would be good, and there would be a nice
long sloped ramp too.
Will J
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6:23 a.m.
Here's something I dreamed up a while ago:
A vertical storage system with 3 foot deep by
4 foot wide "shelves" mounted on a kind of chain
driven circular elevator. I got the idea from
some pictures of a car parking facility. The
shelf at the I/O position could slide onto a cart
which could then take it to a workstation where
it would lock in. I figure about 2 feet of
clearance between shelves and the whole system
being about 50 feet tall (or down into the floor)
so you could have 50 systems easily ready to use,
demo or work on.
7:29 a.m.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Bill Sudbrink wrote:
A vertical storage system with 3 foot deep by
4 foot wide "shelves" mounted on a kind of chain
driven circular elevator. I got the idea from
some pictures of a car parking facility. The
shelf at the I/O position could slide onto a cart
which could then take it to a workstation where
it would lock in. I figure about 2 feet of
clearance between shelves and the whole system
being about 50 feet tall (or down into the floor)
so you could have 50 systems easily ready to use,
demo or work on.
Such contraptions are already in use in filing systems. I have one
machine that stores a few hundred 8" floppy disks in the same manner (that
Fred Cisin forced me to take :)
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10:12 a.m.
New subject: Your dream computer room. - disk storage
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Sorry, folks, I only had the one. It was a giant contraption made by
Diebold (they make cabinets for banks, ATM machines, etc.)
BTW, Urban Ore (the retail outlet of the Berkeley dump) has a 4 drawer
fireproof file cabinet with three drawers configured for 5.25" floppies;
but the top drawer is mangled (by somebody without appropriate skills
opening it without a key)
Did anyone mention the essential item of a good truck loading dock?
Rail siding?
Cargo landing strip?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
A vertical
storage system with 3 foot deep by
4 foot wide "shelves" mounted on a kind of chain
driven circular elevator. I got the idea from
Such contraptions are already in
use in filing systems. I have one
machine that stores a few hundred 8" floppy disks in the same manner (that
Fred Cisin forced me to take :) 
11:39 a.m.
New subject: Your dream computer room. - disk storage
Can someone tell me how to get off of this mail list?
thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Your dream computer room. - disk storage
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> > A vertical storage system with 3 foot deep by
> > 4 foot wide "shelves" mounted on a kind of chain
> > driven circular elevator. I got the idea from
> Such contraptions are already in use in filing systems. I have one
> machine that stores a few hundred 8" floppy disks in the same manner
(that
Fred Cisin
forced me to take :)
Sorry, folks, I only had the one. It was a giant contraption made by
Diebold (they make cabinets for banks, ATM machines, etc.)
BTW, Urban Ore (the retail outlet of the Berkeley dump) has a 4 drawer
fireproof file cabinet with three drawers configured for 5.25" floppies;
but the top drawer is mangled (by somebody without appropriate skills
opening it without a key)
Did anyone mention the essential item of a good truck loading dock?
Rail siding?
Cargo landing strip?
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
12:04 p.m.
New subject: Your dream computer room. - disk storage
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Dennis Phillips wrote:
Can someone tell me how to get off of this mail list?
For the mailing list savvy impaired (whatever):
Send a message to <majordomo(a)classiccmp.org> and in the body of the
message put:
unsubscribe classiccmp
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7:54 a.m.
Generally a couple good outlets (AC and 10bt), some banquet tables, a
standing bench height work surface, and a rolling cart make a good start. I
don't think I am really going to be happy until I have pallet racks and a
forklift though. A typical "industrial" unit, 20x50, with A/C office in
front, warehouse in back, with maybe a small fenced "yard" for a truck.
The basic problem I have is congestion, buying a load of stuff, and its
temporary storage and sorting area spills over into my "working" area until
I can't do any testing until moving something, which needs to be moved
back. Eventually it reaches a crisis, like now, where my efficiency is
reduced to about zip due to all the shifting around.
At present our 1850 sq ft condo has;
Great garage, full two car sized with a 14 foot ceiling. Just above the
garage door and extending completely across the front is a "shelf" about 6
foot deep with 4 to 5 feet open above it (22x6x4.5= 594 ft3). Thats for all
my bulky, but not too heavy stuff (the shelf could take a load, but like
heck I am going to carry it all up a ladder). 18" deep, 6 and 8 foot
RapidRack shelves line the right wall (using the orientation of a parked
car). At the nose end are the big shelves, 24"x96"x108",
42"x48"x96", and
36"x48"x72" with one shelf as a standing bench and the shelf above it
12"
deep for some test monitors etc. About 75 computers and the bulk of all my
misc and parts, with maybe a dozen 20 inch monitors.
Poor house, zero computers in master bedroom, or any of the bathrooms. Huge
livingroom, maybe 30 computers and 8 monitors in various corners and
couches. Kitchen table, 3 on top, 5 under, various compact macs "around".
LOTS of books, thousands in the library on shelves, but hundreds in various
bags, boxes, and piles. My office is more buried in paper than hardware,
but it has a bit of hardware in it too.
10:11 p.m.
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:54:54 -0700 Mike Ford
<mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote:
Generally a couple good outlets (AC and 10bt)
Do you mean 10-base-T? Telephone wire?
Surely not! Any proper machine room needs lots of thick
yellow EtherHose and vampire taps! :-)
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John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
10:42 p.m.
Do you mean 10-base-T? Telephone wire?
Surely not! Any proper machine room needs lots of thick
yellow EtherHose and vampire taps! :-)
Let me know if you need some, I've got them new in the box.
OTOH feel free to stop by and let my wife bonk you with a frying pan (she
did enough install work to be very good at picking the wire splinters out
of her fingers and the coax).
No charge for bonking on the head lessons, minor costs for actual vampire taps.
BTW I may end up with thin coax, just more practical in this case and I
have plenty. Any reasonable link to a backup/restore server is fine.
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