I could probably use one more period-correct HP rack if someone has one they need to go away. The HP mint gray ones, not the more modern beige/cream/white. J

? buy a Neoware thin client for the box and power supply, and throw away the pcb if you really want to do your own board https://www.ebay.com/itm/Neoware-CA9-100-240-V-50-60-Hz-USED/222928084229 On 12/20/18 5:45 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:

On 12/20/18 10:01 AM, Carlo Pisani wrote: you're the one who sliced open their finger, asshat <plonk>

The prototype (1) is already working; in the pic, there is a DHT board with a Matrox Millennium video card, and a PCI-PS/2 card. The pic shows a running windows manager on x11. we are using a little PowerPC 405GP board, loaded with Linux and xorg-x11. The processor's ISA is similar to a G3 CPU, but not exactly equal. We had to create a specific toolchain for it. The rootfs is derived from Gentoo/Linux by using Catalyst on QEMU/PPC. It's neat enough, and the whole process is under control (we can choose flags, and rebuild the whole accordingly) Currently, the only problem we have is related to the kernel, specifically to support DeviceTree and the 405 CPU which has a weird address alignment, thus it wastes a lot of cycles in kernel space. If someone has experience with this CPU, we are open to hints and tips. (1) http://93.55.217.0/wonderland/chunk_of/stuff/public/projects/sonoko-x11/nod…

several reasons; we also use a similar board for a NAS, but basically, we like this board for the PCI bus, and for the JTAG we happen to have a BDI1000 JTAG ICE with a valid license for professional debugging software for the PPC/405, so it's really nice for us dunno. For us it's useful, and it's a need since we really need three LCDs connected to two nodes through a KVM in both dual screens and Xinerama setup (it depends on the context). These two PowerPC nodes are also connected to a Routerboard (bought yesterday), thus the whole system is able to bootstrap, well balanced on its load, able to load its services and it's also independent of everything else on the lan. PowerPC boards are not able to bootstrap from a harddrive/pendrive (the kernel's driver for the pATA chip is bugged and doesn't work, the firmware is ... theoretically able to load a raw file from a pATA device), they need to bootstrap from the lan, and the Routerboard is able to provide a good tftpbootp server plus other services to accomplish the task. We are also developing a RFID card to unlock/lock the machine (still experimental, and we are going to use an old 68HC11 board for this ... it's 80s technology) It's really a funny project made recycling old parts, and an old Apple PowerMac chassis. We also really like manually making parts, without a 3D printer. If you look at parts for the PSU, they were manually made by engraving the plastic! This is part of the fun :D anyway, I believe the system can be replicated with modern technology, say ... two or three RPIs in a modern case made by a 3D printer. well, we have a job in avionics, where PPC boards are used. We bought years ago a couple of boards from Newark and they were 1900 euro each, plus fees and S/H (FeDex). Two years ago, I sold the last "codename eBony" (PowerPC460) couple of boards to a company in China for a super discount (500 euro both/second hand, instead of 1600 each/brand new). The DHT-boards that we are using are derived from a similar expensive board. There was a company in 2001 who made them, but ... it's difficult to find one nowadays. We had 2 little DTH boards in stock, and we decided to use for a personal project since they are definitively EOL once and forever and we don't want to support them in 2019. Again, the RPI is the super cheap choice since it's easy to be found (e.g. you can buy from RS, Mouser, et al), and it only costs around 30 euro. RPI is USB driven, not a problem, modern keyboards and mouses are USB, our is PS/2 but there are USB-to-PS/2 adapter for 5-10 Euro; The RPI is not VGA, it's HDMI, but yet again it's not a problem, there are VGA adapters (HDMI to VGA) for the RPI and VGA modules for the expansion port. This can be evaluated. For a classic design (the 90s and 2000s design), we want to use VGA LCDs, VGA KVM, and PCI_VGA video adapters. yup, we are alone. I have already posted on the Linux mail-list, still no answer. Not a problem, it simply requires more time.

our own technology. RFID at 125Khz. We already have a prototype. A good occasion to play with analogic electronics and also a good occasion to use ICC11 v6.5 on a HC11 board, and ICC11 was a good C compiler in the 90s. (we are also supporting gcc-11, but it's ... not so good) yup, SunRay uses a smart-card, but it's not contactless, and it's a true-smart card, whose protocol looks not so funny to play with (except if you are paid for doing it). SmartCards are safer anyway We want to use RFID Smartcard-shaped cards. The looks like a credit card, but they have an RFID capsule inside. Therefore we only need a coil to read it. Simply, and funny. this (1) a commercial product you can use as a reference ... the chip is a common avr8 (1) http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/chunk_of/stuff/public/projects/sono… Precisely! We neither have a CNC, nor a 3D printer, and we want to recycle polycarbonate frames. We got a lot of industrial waste. It would be a shame trashing them. it can be done easily. Our boards run U-BOOT as firmware, and Linux as the kernel. On your RPI you just need to manage a custom kernel on a custom rootfs. There is a Dude on the internet offering a small Indigo1 case with a LinuxBoard inside. It's a cool project. The case is 3D printed. The only "tricky" part is setting the builder. We chose catalyst because we also support Gentoo on MIPS4, MIPS32, HPPA2, PPCBE, thus it's a "natural" choice, but there are also builders like Angstrom and OpenWRT which allow you to have ucLibc and similar. We are using glibc just for our convenience (since we already have a working and tested glibc-profile) Anyway, we'd like to have a nice WindowsManager. We are using "mwm" which is super light and very classic (my Tektronix XP217 uses it), but we are going to evaluate "fvwm": it seems it's light but offering good "visual features"; we'd like to reconfigure it with the look&feel of 4DWM (SGI IRIX) ... maybe it's possible, who knows :D

I have already given points to our reasons. Do you like RPI? Go and use it!

Isn't there some place this could go on a web page? there isn't much chance of someone trolling a mailing list after the first day or two of the post appearing Sellam seems to have come up with something with his Google spreadsheet. I don't know if something like that would be practical if a large number of people were adding/removing things On 12/20/18 5:09 AM, Robert via cctalk wrote:

On 12/20/2018 10:25 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: I may be odd, but I'd be interested in Cindy / Electronics Plus leveraging their existing mailing list. Assuming that it's Mailman (I don't remember) I'd be curious to see categories that are brand names, and possibly sub-categories that are model lines. That way people could subscribe to the list and pick the categories they are interested in receiving announcements to. I think it would also give Cindy / Electronics Plus some indication of what brand / model like people are interested in. Just a thought. ?\_(?)_/? -- Grant. . . . unix || die

ok, I give up. a forum with a bazaar should be more appropriate frankly this mail list looks like spam, and it's going irritating since it's difficult to follow and to handle but I am really tired to repeat myself about the http://www.downthebunker.xyz/ project probably in 2019 we will definitively close it to new members, and that's all. Il giorno gio 20 dic 2018 alle ore 20:05 Electronics Plus via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> ha scritto:

insulting? I posted a link to a project just to share the fun and I got suggested to drop it, which is extremely rude and irritating. Besides, I suggest and offered free space when here you are all claiming that it's difficult to follow posts about things and parts, and yet again I got a figurative finger so don't try to drag me down on your cliche'

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:03 PM Carlo Pisani via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: I guess I might as well ask, since I've been wondering: What does the name "downthebunker" mean? Is it a reference to something? I'm not even sure how a bunker could be gone "down" (unlike in the case of, say, a street, a beach, the block, etc.). And why the .xyz TLD? I don't know much about it but it always looks really sketchy to me. -- Eric Christopherson

the computer room is located 10 meters underground in a room which looks like a mini bunker. But it's not relevant, it's just a name for a website. When you put a server to the internet you have an IP and you want to be reached by an URL you have to pay someone for the service. We found a cheap service offering a domain, and the "xyz," is what they offered for the lowest price possible (10 euro/year) since dot com and dot org cost more money (50-100 or more). We already pay for the electricity and we are not hosting any advertising service, thus .. a cheap domain is what we consider "good" for us. What is really worrying is the number of spammers attacking the server(1) and the fact that people are not seriously using a resource, sometimes for the reason that we are obliged to declare the GPDR agreement, or for the reason, we are not offering HTTPS. Some of these guys are on facebook where they claim the platform is even more difficult to be used for the purpose of discussing things rather than ... watching a gallery of pics And some of them still want a bazaar, sort of (person-to-person) way to sell/buy/trade retro computer stuff, but then they only go to the eBay, complaining that it's too expensive for both the seller and the buyer (due to the money you have to give to eBay, I guess). That's the time it was, funny and weird at the same time. (1) this caused a few services to be dropped, e.g. we needed to drop the MessageWall because it was bombarded by spam and trolling. MessageWall was implemented in PHP by us and it was not so robust, therefore we are now limiting the usage and offering a chat channel on Discord which is more robust and managed by others.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:23 PM Carlo Pisani <carlojpisani at gmail.com> wrote: OK, so it's down *to* the bunker or down *in* the bunker. I'm just asking because of my language geekery. I still don't know, though, whether "down the bunker" without a preposition is idiomatic in some dialect of English I don't speak fluently. I just know some UK English speakers pronounce "down to the/down at the" ALMOST the same as "down the", but I believe there's still a glottal stop in the former but not the latter. Wow. Maybe domain registration is a lot more in the EU; here you can have it for $8.88/yr. That's not with hosting, though; I don't know who does your hosting. -- Eric Christopherson

On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 at 04:51, Eric Christopherson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: You do not specify what *your* native dialect is, so it's hard to say. In much of the UK, probably most, yes, "down the /x/" is idiomatic. "I was talking to this bloke down the pub..." "There's a great offer down the computer market on Tottenham Court Road..." "I was down the gym last night and I saw..." It means "at the", roughly, I'd say. "Down the bunker" parses fine for me. Not that I am aware of, no. However, Yorkshire and Lancashire English tend to reduce the definite article to a prefixed /t/ sound, e.g. "t'pub". See the unofficial Yorkshire national anthem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Ilkla_Moor_Baht_%27at "Baht 'at" means "bar t'hat". "Bar" as in "all bar one" -- "without" or "except". In other words, the singer was on Ilkley Moor without his hat. This t' prefix is jocularly used for the Internet, for instance: "t'Internet". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/t%27internet Those who do not understand the reference reduce this to the meaningless "tinternet". As certain successive consonants without an intervening vowel sound are uncommon in English, those who don't know what this "t'" sound means can fail to distinguish it. Compare with the Hindi (I yhink) words "bindi" and "bhindi". The former is a forehead adornment. The latter is the vegetable, okra. Many Indian restaurants serve bhindi bhaji, but because Anglophones mostly can't pronounce /b/ followed by /h/, if you ask for "bindi baji" instead of "bhindi bhaji" you do not get a forehead jewel shaped like an okra pod. So you could say "I'm going down t'bunker" and to the untrained ear it would sound like "down the bunker". But I doubt this is what was meant. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053

Websites are a huge inconvenience or imposition, email lists are not. Sadly we live in an age where email is used less and less. Thought not that you?d know it by the amount of CLASSICCMP traffic the last couple days. :-) I mean, good grief, even I?m actively responding on a couple threads. How often does that happen anymore? Zane

I like Usenet as well, I find it a better medium than any website. Though the main group that still seems active is comp.os.vms. I finally figured out how to get back on about a year ago. I find there is little or no value in Social Media, on the other hand there is real value in email. One of those values is the ability to build archives of knowledge independent of any given website. Having said that, I recently needed some info from CLASSICCMP from the late 90?s, and couldn?t find it on my computer. Either the files are missing, or else it?s just because Mail.app is so pathetic about searching. Zane

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:40 AM Liam Proven via cctalk < cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: I'd like it if I could start getting all the CCTalk/CCTech messages in my inbox again so I don't *have* to look at the archives (which I don't often remember to do). -- Eric Christopherson

I just realized I set the sharing to view only. Sorry about that! It is now set to edit. Add/change columns, whatever is needed. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Electronics Plus via cctalk Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:26 AM To: 'Al Kossow'; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Want/Available list (was Re: Old HP stuff) Done! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gqr3JHyV1bJGFZE7oaFkEVqRnl79ZvE54NV… Fill it out as you think of stuff, and I will share it with the dealers. Cindy -----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow via cctalk Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:03 AM To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Want/Available list (was Re: Old HP stuff) Isn't there some place this could go on a web page? there isn't much chance of someone trolling a mailing list after the first day or two of the post appearing Sellam seems to have come up with something with his Google spreadsheet. I don't know if something like that would be practical if a large number of people were adding/removing things On 12/20/18 5:09 AM, Robert via cctalk wrote: --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

we are mirroring here (1) hope it helps (1) http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/reloaded/bazaar/viewtopic.php?f=3&a… Il giorno gio 20 dic 2018 alle ore 19:58 Electronics Plus via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> ha scritto: