Nothing was wrong with them. Somehow I managed to miss them!!! I went back today based on your statement that there would be someone with them cheap... I found the guy, and realized that I never saw him Saturday. I don't know how, and I'm kind of annoyed that I didn't see him. I got a good deal on a pair of them. 2u, dual p2 400 MHz with dual 9.1 GB scsi drives, $40 each. His Saturday price was $55 each for the same setup, and I would have happily paid the extra $15 each to avoid the drive a 2nd time (in fact, these units cost me MORE then the saved $30 combined between tolls, gas, and my time). So I'm happy now as I can replace my tower server and get it into my rack, and replace 3 other machines acting as web and FTP for a series of domains with a single one of these rack servers. Thanks for the heads up that he was there. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>