11 May
2011
11 May
'11
8:16 a.m.
Does anyone know who owns this list and how to get in touch with them? I
joined last month, made about three totally innocuous postings and found
myself banned at the next attempt to sign in. Google, in their infinite
wisdom, gives you no means to find out if it's a mistake, appeal to the
owner, or even get an explanation for why it's occurred!
I sent a message to the posting address with no response. I had been
given the name of "lowenddan at gmail.com" as list owner, but cannot get any
response from that address either.
Is there something I should know about becoming worthy of Lisa List
membership? Perhaps a secret handshake I've overlooked? I contacted a
couple of members privately, and both were utterly baffled as to what the
motivation may have been.
I'm still operating on the assumption that this is a software glitch or
mistake. If I've been thrown off as a deliberate action, then I think
it's common courtesy for the list owner to at least explain why this
occurred.
Steve
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11 May
11 May
3:40 p.m.
Hi Steve,
I've been a member of that list since early March, having registered when I
was working on my Lisas. I just trawled through my old emails to see if I
could find anyone relevant but I couldn't find any sign of a registration
letter or anyone who specifically welcomed me as the moderator. I have a
feeling I might have just registered on the list site.
I've found people on the list to be very helpful and friendly. I saw your
posts there and they looked entirely innocuous. I can only think there has
been some kind of mistake or glitch. I wonder if the moderator is ok?
Seeing Rick Hason's passing (Club 100) makes one realise that key members of
a community can disappear from time to time.
Terry Stewart (Tez)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Hirsch" <snhirsch at gmail.com>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:16 AM
Subject: Google Lisa List
Does anyone know who owns this list and how to get in
touch with them? I
joined last month, made about three totally innocuous postings and found
myself banned at the next attempt to sign in. Google, in their infinite
wisdom, gives you no means to find out if it's a mistake, appeal to the
owner, or even get an explanation for why it's occurred!
I sent a message to the posting address with no response. I had been
given the name of "lowenddan at gmail.com" as list owner, but cannot get any
response from that address either.
Is there something I should know about becoming worthy of Lisa List
membership? Perhaps a secret handshake I've overlooked? I contacted a
couple of members privately, and both were utterly baffled as to what the
motivation may have been.
I'm still operating on the assumption that this is a software glitch or
mistake. If I've been thrown off as a deliberate action, then I think
it's common courtesy for the list owner to at least explain why this
occurred.
Steve
--
13 May
13 May
4:44 a.m.
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Terry Stewart wrote:
Hi Steve,
I've been a member of that list since early March, having registered when I
was working on my Lisas. I just trawled through my old emails to see if I
could find anyone relevant but I couldn't find any sign of a registration
letter or anyone who specifically welcomed me as the moderator. I have a
feeling I might have just registered on the list site.
The list definitely is moderated and "owned" by someone with a Google
account. If you submit a posting, you are told it's going to the
moderator for approval.
I've found people on the list to be very helpful
and friendly. I saw your
posts there and they looked entirely innocuous. I can only think there has
been some kind of mistake or glitch. I wonder if the moderator is ok? Seeing
Rick Hason's passing (Club 100) makes one realise that key members of a
community can disappear from time to time.
As have I. The last message I sent (which never appeared) was a thankyou
to the folks who responded to my request for the motherboard schematics.
When I went to check the list two days later, it threw me off with the
"..you are not worthy.." message. The only way I can even read it is by
ensuring no Google session cookies are present.
And as I mentioned, I've sent two or three "Why?" messages to the
submission address and at least that many to low-end-Dan. No response or
acknowledgement to anything. I'm coming to the unfortunate conclusion
that I may be dealing with a "difficult" personality of some sort and am
trying to see the humor in it. At any rate, there are enough Lisa folks
on cctech to make the situation livable.
Steve
--
1:14 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:44 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Google Lisa List
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Terry Stewart wrote:
[snip]
When I went to check the list two days later, it threw
me off with the
"..you are not worthy.." message. The only way I can even read it is
by
ensuring no Google session cookies are present.
I have an email account through my university that is managed by GMail and I've also
noticed weird interactions with other Google stuff such as Google Groups. For instance,
someone had sent me a link to a Google Groups posting, and I kept getting a weird error
message until I closed the browser session displaying my university email.
If they want any given customer to use more than one of their services, maybe they should
take a look at this scenario.... -- Ian
6:44 p.m.
On Fri, 13 May 2011, Ian King wrote:
Unfortunately, this is looking like a deliberate action. I have tried
several times to clear cache and cookies, log on again and access the
group. If Google knows who I am, it tells me I'm banned. If it doesn't,
I get read-only access.
-----Original
Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:44 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Google Lisa List
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Terry Stewart wrote:
[snip]
When I went to check the list two days later, it
threw me off with the
"..you are not worthy.." message. The only way I can even read it is
by
ensuring no Google session cookies are present.
I have an email account through my university that is managed by GMail
and I've also noticed weird interactions with other Google stuff such as
Google Groups. For instance, someone had sent me a link to a Google
Groups posting, and I kept getting a weird error message until I closed
the browser session displaying my university email. If they want any given customer to use more than one
of their services,
maybe they should take a look at this scenario.... -- Ian
Don't even get me started on Google in-the-large.
Steve
--
10:22 p.m.
Hi
Someone has been forging googles group members and spamming
various groups. I had such a spam on the canon cat group.
It was from one of the members that has otherwise been
well behaved.
As a moderator, I had the option to mark it as spam and
that would ban the member. I almost did this before I recognized
the name of the sender.
This same thing may have happened to you. The moderator
saw a spam and simply pressed the spam button without
checking the members status, otherwise.
I chose to just delete the email.
Dwight
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 21:44:49 -0400
From: snhirsch at gmail.com
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Google Lisa List
On Fri, 13 May 2011, Ian King wrote:
Unfortunately, this is looking like a deliberate action. I have tried
several times to clear cache and cookies, log on again and access the
group. If Google knows who I am, it tells me I'm banned. If it doesn't,
I get read-only access.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Steven Hirsch
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:44 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Google Lisa List
On Thu, 12 May 2011, Terry Stewart wrote:
[snip]
When I went to check the list two days later, it
threw me off with the
"..you are not worthy.." message. The only way I can even read it is
by
ensuring no Google session cookies are present.
I have an email account through my university that is managed by GMail
and I've also noticed weird interactions with other Google stuff such as
Google Groups. For instance, someone had sent me a link to a Google
Groups posting, and I kept getting a weird error message until I closed
the browser session displaying my university email. If they want any given customer to use more than
one of their services,
maybe they should take a look at this scenario.... -- Ian
Don't even get me started on Google in-the-large.
Steve
--
14 May
14 May
5:10 a.m.
On Fri, 13 May 2011, dwight elvey wrote:
Hi
Someone has been forging googles group members and spamming
various groups. I had such a spam on the canon cat group.
It was from one of the members that has otherwise been
well behaved.
As a moderator, I had the option to mark it as spam and
that would ban the member. I almost did this before I recognized
the name of the sender.
This same thing may have happened to you. The moderator
saw a spam and simply pressed the spam button without
checking the members status, otherwise.
I chose to just delete the email.
That's what I originally thought, but I sent two or three "..why?"
messages to the posting address (where presumably the moderator would see
them whether or not I was a member) and the same number to the personal
gmail address of the purported list owner.
No response.
--
19 Jun
19 Jun
5:29 p.m.
On Sat, 14 May 2011, Steven Hirsch wrote:
Final disposition on my summary ejection from the Lisa list:
At the advice of several folks I tried contacting the owner and admin both
through the signup page on Low End Mac. Also tried making a request for
reinstatement through the e-mail address given there. Might was well have
been sending the messages into the bitbucket for all the response I've
received.
That's an even dozen messages I've sent to Dan and/or the list admin, who
will not extend the common courtesy of an explanation. Go figure.
--
On Fri, 13 May 2011, dwight elvey wrote:
Someone has
been forging googles group members and spamming
various groups. I had such a spam on the canon cat group.
It was from one of the members that has otherwise been
well behaved.
As a moderator, I had the option to mark it as spam and
that would ban the member. I almost did this before I recognized
the name of the sender.
This same thing may have happened to you. The moderator
saw a spam and simply pressed the spam button without
checking the members status, otherwise.
I chose to just delete the email.
That's what I originally thought, but I sent two or three "..why?" messages
to the posting address (where presumably the moderator would see them whether
or not I was a member) and the same number to the personal gmail address of
the purported list owner.
No response.
5:56 p.m.
Steve,
This is all rather disturbing. I wonder if your email address has been
flagged as SPAM and the moderator is not even getting it?
If you like I could try to make contact with the list administrator (what's
his address). I've only been a member for the list a short time, but my
experience with other members has been very positive. There was nothing
objectionable in any posts I saw from you, I'm now very curious as to why
this has happened. These machine-specific lists are an important support
network for all of us and if something is disfunctional it's worth finding
out what it is?
Another possibility is the moderator is not able to respond due to some
event in their lives (accident, death, etc.)? I run one of these google
lists (on EACA machines) and I know if I suddenly dropped dead, any emails
to me would go into a black hole until my yearly domain subscription runs
out.
Terry (Tez)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Hirsch" <snhirsch at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: Google Lisa List
On Sat, 14 May 2011, Steven Hirsch wrote:
Final disposition on my summary ejection from the Lisa list:
At the advice of several folks I tried contacting the owner and admin both
through the signup page on Low End Mac. Also tried making a request for
reinstatement through the e-mail address given there. Might was well have
been sending the messages into the bitbucket for all the response I've
received.
That's an even dozen messages I've sent to Dan and/or the list admin, who
will not extend the common courtesy of an explanation. Go figure.
--
On Fri, 13 May 2011, dwight elvey wrote:
Someone
has been forging googles group members and spamming
various groups. I had such a spam on the canon cat group.
It was from one of the members that has otherwise been
well behaved.
As a moderator, I had the option to mark it as spam and
that would ban the member. I almost did this before I recognized
the name of the sender.
This same thing may have happened to you. The moderator
saw a spam and simply pressed the spam button without
checking the members status, otherwise.
I chose to just delete the email.
That's what I originally thought, but I sent two or three "..why?"
messages to the posting address (where presumably the moderator would see
them whether or not I was a member) and the same number to the personal
gmail address of the purported list owner.
No response. 
14 May
14 May
4:41 a.m.
On 11 May 2011 16:16, Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone know who owns this list and how to get in
touch with them? ?I
joined last month, made about three totally innocuous postings and found
myself banned at the next attempt to sign in. ?Google, in their infinite
wisdom, gives you no means to find out if it's a mistake, appeal to the
owner, or even get an explanation for why it's occurred!
I sent a message to the posting address with no response. ?I had been given
the name of "lowenddan at gmail.com" as list owner, but cannot get any
response
from that address either.
That's Dan Knight, owner/operator of www.lowendmac.com
http://lowendmac.com/contact.html
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