31 Jan
2017
31 Jan
'17
7:06 p.m.
Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been
reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten
years.
These are a just the last bounces I got:
20-Jan cctalk-request at classiccmp [78] confirm
fd5d1f938a6c920c61c094802694d0194e87f1a4
25-Jan cctalk-request at classiccmp [78] confirm
e01809296377d0fd3033b4ab27394ca7dc0fae71
31-Jan cctalk-request at classiccmp [78] confirm
38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5
31 Jan
31 Jan
8:15 p.m.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This
has been
reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten
years.
These are a just the last bounces I got:
Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're caused by the
destination mail server.
g.
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8:22 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been
What causes the mailing list to suspend people when their server has been
sending bounces?
reported every once in a while by a bunch of
people for over ten
years.
These are a just the last bounces I got:
Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're caused by the
destination mail server.
g.
8:29 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Eric Christopherson <
echristopherson at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb <geneb at
deltasoft.com> wrote:
Also: I wonder if the specific causes of Alfred's excessive-bounce
suspension differs from the one that seems to cause mine -- usually when I
get suspended it's just after a certain member posts to the list. Others
have mentioned the same thing. But my suspension messages didn't come on
the same days as Alfred's.
Secondly: if anyone's familiar with the mutt mail client, does the "bounce"
functionality (which is basically a resend of the message, with the
original From: address) have *anything* to do with the sense of "bounce"
we're discussing here? My suspicion is that it doesn't, but I've been
wondering this for a long time.
--
Eric Christopherson
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been
What causes the mailing list to suspend people when their server has been
sending bounces?
reported every once in a while by a bunch of
people for over ten
years.
These are a just the last bounces I got:
Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're caused by the
destination mail server.
g.
8:30 p.m.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Eric Christopherson wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb <geneb at
deltasoft.com> wrote:
That's default (and correct) behavior.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been
What causes the mailing list to suspend people when their server has been
sending bounces?
reported every once in a while by a bunch of
people for over ten
years.
These are a just the last bounces I got:
Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're caused by the
destination mail server.
g.
8:32 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:30 PM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Eric Christopherson wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
I was hoping for more details. Is it a defense mechanism for the list so
that email addresses that are no longer valid, even though they're still
subscribed, don't keep bouncing at the server mercilessly?
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been
What causes the mailing list to suspend people when their server has been
sending bounces?
That's default (and correct) behavior. reported every once in a while by a bunch of
people for over ten
years.
These are a just the last bounces I got:
Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're caused by the
destination mail server.
g.
8:43 p.m.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Eric Christopherson wrote:
I was hoping for more details. Is it a defense mechanism for the list so
that email addresses that are no longer valid, even though they're still
subscribed, don't keep bouncing at the server mercilessly?
Essentially, yes.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
What causes the mailing list to suspend people when
their server has been
sending bounces?
That's default (and correct) behavior.
8:59 p.m.
It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best
practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him.
Ask him to fix his email setup. I think it's because he is essentially
spoofing the from address and using a different SMTP relay? I don't
remember.
If it keeps up I may just leave. The SNR on this list is trending
negatively.
On Tuesday, January 31, 2017, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Eric Christopherson wrote:
What causes the mailing list to suspend people when their server has been
I was hoping for more details. Is it a defense mechanism for the list so
that email addresses that are no longer valid, even though they're still
subscribed, don't keep bouncing at the server mercilessly?
Essentially, yes.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
sending bounces?
That's default (and correct) behavior.
9:13 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup
doesn't comply with best
practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him.
Ask him to fix his email setup. I think it's because he is essentially
spoofing the from address and using a different SMTP relay? I don't
remember.
If it keeps up I may just leave. The SNR on this list is trending
negatively.
Not sure how you connect the dots to CoreyHouse being the cause of random
bounce issues although yes his is one of the ones whose emails get caught
in my spam folder and I never read them, but not the only one. Personally
I'd fix that kind of thing, not to single ya out CoreyHouse, but don't you
want people to get your messages? You can host the domain put up a PTR
record, set up the DNS correctly if you want to do it privately there are
many people here who can help. I hardly get any bounce alerts. Are
there people who get them daily? A GNU mailman list is going to be prone to
this kind of thing, it's not 1999 anymore.
Bill
9:18 p.m.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 4:13 PM, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Ian Finder <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average. The puzzle is
that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to a whole pile of them, and as
far as I know they all complain about bounces, but none of the others are actually getting
bounces.
paul
It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email
setup doesn't comply with best
practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him.
...
Not sure how you connect the dots to CoreyHouse being the cause of random
bounce issues ... 
9:44 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average.
The puzzle is that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to
a whole pile of them, and as far as I know they all complain about bounces,
but none of the others are actually getting bounces.
I also get them, and this is also the only Mailman list that issues them
that I'm subscribed to. Quite puzzling for sure.
In case there is a time correlation to this issue, these are the dates I've
received them:
21 Oct. 2016
7 Nov. 2016
23 Nov. 2016
29 Nov. 2016
30 Dec. 2016
10 Jan. 2017
14 Jan. 2017
Kyle
9:54 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Kyle Owen once stated:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
This mailing list is unique in that it's actually two, cctalk and cctech.
Messages sent to cctech are also copied to cctalk. So some messages get
"crossposted" to both lists (with the same Message-ID). Could that might
have something to do with this?
-spc
I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average.
The puzzle is that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to
a whole pile of them, and as far as I know they all complain about bounces,
but none of the others are actually getting bounces.
I also get them, and this is also the only Mailman list that issues them
that I'm subscribed to. Quite puzzling for sure.
In case there is a time correlation to this issue, these are the dates I've
received them:
21 Oct. 2016
7 Nov. 2016
23 Nov. 2016
29 Nov. 2016
30 Dec. 2016
10 Jan. 2017
14 Jan. 2017
9:57 p.m.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Sean Conner <spc at
conman.org> wrote:
It was thus said that the Great Kyle Owen once stated:
In my case, probably not. I always remove the extraneous to:cctech when replying, and
only subscribe to cctalk.
paul
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
This mailing list is unique in that it's actually two, cctalk and cctech.
Messages sent to cctech are also copied to cctalk. So some messages get
"crossposted" to both lists (with the same Message-ID). Could that might
have something to do with this?
I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average.
The puzzle is that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to
a whole pile of them, and as far as I know they all complain about bounces,
but none of the others are actually getting bounces.
I also get them, and this is also the only Mailman list that issues them
that I'm subscribed to. Quite puzzling for sure.
In case there is a time correlation to this issue, these are the dates I've
received them:
21 Oct. 2016
7 Nov. 2016
23 Nov. 2016
29 Nov. 2016
30 Dec. 2016
10 Jan. 2017
14 Jan. 2017 
10:04 p.m.
I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a
week or so on average. The $
(Speaking of best practices, you're generating paragraph-length lines;
you might want to read RFC 3676.)
You most likely wouldn't notice unless the bounce traffic got bad
enough to trip some list's auto-suspend test. Perhaps the other lists
are set less sensitive, or perhaps classiccmp carries more traffic that
gets rejected. (The latter strikes me as more probable; I'd hazard a
guess that this list holds an usually high proportion of people with
unusual mail setups.)
I've configured my mailer to silently drop mail that it would normally
bounce, when it's mail from either of the lists I'm on that prefer
that. This is one of them. Maybe you should do likewise? (If your
mail is outsourced - it's not clear to me whether "I'm on comcast.net"
means you outsource your mail to them or you just get connectivity
through them - and they aren't willing to do that for you, I guess it's
find a better mailhost to outsource to, stop outsourcing it, or give up
on that idea.)
/~\ The ASCII Mouse
\ / Ribbon Campaign
X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org
/ \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
2:30 a.m.
(Speaking of
best practices, you're generating paragraph-length
lines; you might want to read RFC 3676.)
That???s up to the receiving MUA to deal
with, not the sending one. 
3:09 a.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
If you think that, you _really_ need to read 3676.
<RANT> Nobody's going to read that the way that it is formatted.
If they expect people to read it, they will have to punch it up, with
fonts, colors, background images and textures, formats, animated emojis,
audio accompaniment, and embedded videos.
How can any message be taken seriously without any dancing kangaroos and
yodelling jellyfish?
Why is it being disseminated as a text file, instead of as a Youtube
video?
Surely, the new administration's education policies will bring an end to
the arrogance of "literates" from insulting the intelligence of the voting
public of the Official Monster Raving Loony Party.
Since there are still a rare few machines without the appropriate
hardware, smell-o-vision will have to remain optional.
But, the current combined policies at MICROS~1 and Apple of deprecating
any and all hardare and software more than six months old should fix
that. That will also solve the fear that a system might still be in use
after its printer ink or smell-o-vision supplies are used up.
(microbots in solution in printer ink can complete the process of
preventing scofflaws from refilling printer ink)
Besides, it is clearly not in the best interests of manufacturing in
USA^H^H^HChina to permit such legacy relics to be permitted to continue
to exist. Delegalization of obsolete computers will be coming soon,
unfortunately, federal agents have had some difficulty controlling the
content of the hundreds of machines that have the capability of
disconnecting from the interweb. Replacing all NEMA connectors with
Micro-USB should help.
[MiniTru clarification: The appropriate executive orders were
issued long ago, when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs invented the first
computer.]
</RANT>
2 Feb
2 Feb
8:52 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
WTF did I just read.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
If you think that, you _really_ need to read 3676.
<RANT> Nobody's going to read that the way that it is formatted.
If they expect people to read it, they will have to punch it up, with
fonts, colors, background images and textures, formats, animated emojis,
audio accompaniment, and embedded videos.
How can any message be taken seriously without any dancing kangaroos and
yodelling jellyfish?
Why is it being disseminated as a text file, instead of as a Youtube video?
Surely, the new administration's education policies will bring an end to
the arrogance of "literates" from insulting the intelligence of the voting
public of the Official Monster Raving Loony Party.
Since there are still a rare few machines without the appropriate
hardware, smell-o-vision will have to remain optional.
But, the current combined policies at MICROS~1 and Apple of deprecating
any and all hardare and software more than six months old should fix that.
That will also solve the fear that a system might still be in use after
its printer ink or smell-o-vision supplies are used up.
(microbots in solution in printer ink can complete the process of
preventing scofflaws from refilling printer ink)
Besides, it is clearly not in the best interests of manufacturing in
USA^H^H^HChina to permit such legacy relics to be permitted to continue to
exist. Delegalization of obsolete computers will be coming soon,
unfortunately, federal agents have had some difficulty controlling the
content of the hundreds of machines that have the capability of
disconnecting from the interweb. Replacing all NEMA connectors with
Micro-USB should help.
[MiniTru clarification: The appropriate executive orders were issued long
ago, when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs invented the first computer.]
</RANT
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
9:23 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
WTF did I just read.
An agreement with Mouse about plain-text, by sarcastically
objecting to use of plain text in the RFC, segueing into an
off-the-wall rant objecting to planned obsolescence.
It was inspired by finding only Youtube videos for some simple
information, end of support for XP, involuntary Win7 to Win10 upgrade,
etc.
I intended it to be absurd enough to provide some humor.
It apparently failed at that.
Sorry.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin
at xenosoft.com> wrote:
If you think that, you _really_ need to read
3676.
<RANT> Nobody's going to read that the way that it is formatted.
If they expect people to read it, they will have to punch it up, with
fonts, colors, background images and textures, formats, animated emojis,
audio accompaniment, and embedded videos.
How can any message be taken seriously without any dancing kangaroos and
yodelling jellyfish?
Why is it being disseminated as a text file, instead of as a Youtube video?
Surely, the new administration's education policies will bring an end to
the arrogance of "literates" from insulting the intelligence of the voting
public of the Official Monster Raving Loony Party.
Since there are still a rare few machines without the appropriate
hardware, smell-o-vision will have to remain optional.
But, the current combined policies at MICROS~1 and Apple of deprecating
any and all hardare and software more than six months old should fix that.
That will also solve the fear that a system might still be in use after
its printer ink or smell-o-vision supplies are used up.
(microbots in solution in printer ink can complete the process of
preventing scofflaws from refilling printer ink)
Besides, it is clearly not in the best interests of manufacturing in
USA^H^H^HChina to permit such legacy relics to be permitted to continue to
exist. Delegalization of obsolete computers will be coming soon,
unfortunately, federal agents have had some difficulty controlling the
content of the hundreds of machines that have the capability of
disconnecting from the interweb. Replacing all NEMA connectors with
Micro-USB should help.
[MiniTru clarification: The appropriate executive orders were issued long
ago, when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs invented the first computer.]
</RANT
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com 
9:43 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
these
days in the domain of absurdity.
-- Ian (the other one - we are everywhere)
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
WTF did I just read.
An agreement with Mouse about plain-text, by sarcastically
objecting to use of plain text in the RFC, segueing into an
off-the-wall rant objecting to planned obsolescence.
It was inspired by finding only Youtube videos for some simple
information, end of support for XP, involuntary Win7 to Win10 upgrade, etc.
I intended it to be absurd enough to provide some humor.
It apparently failed at that.
Sorry.
Fred, you have to turn it up to 11 - after all, consider your competition
10:21 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
> I intended it to be absurd enough to provide some
humor.
> It apparently failed at that.
> Sorry.
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian S. King wrote:
Fred, you have
to turn it up to 11 - after all, consider your competition
these days in the domain
of absurdity. 
10:59 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
Reality is weirder than the most ridiculous crap that
I could come up with?
Yes. Satire is dead.
3 Feb
3 Feb
6:28 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On 2 February 2017 at 23:21, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
Frankly, it SCARES me that that wasn't absurd
enough!
A friend of mine, Charlie Stross, recently had to rewrite the outline
of a novel because his bleak dystopian vision of the near-future "free
world" wasn't _nearly_ bleak enough and the actual world has turned a
lot worse.
After his hasty rewrite, it's gone nastier again. His novel will now
seem like a cheerful upbeat alternate timeline instead.
--
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Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lproven at gmail.com
Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven ? Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven
UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
6:44 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On 3 February 2017 at 19:32, Josh Miller <jam at synthetica.org> wrote:
I love this. Mr. Stross's work is a favorite of
mine. The laundry
files are particularly crunchy. The Internet is awesome.
He's a superb writer. I have all of his books up to about 2012,
because he gave me copies of them last time I visited him in
Edinburgh. :-)
Before he was a professional novelist, he wrote the Linux column for
Computer Shopper UK -- overlapping my time on the staff of PC Pro.
That's how we first met, about 20y ago...
--
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Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lproven at gmail.com
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UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
11:30 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 07:28:21PM +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
On 2 February 2017 at 23:21, Fred Cisin <cisin at
xenosoft.com> wrote:
That was after Brexit and his response was basically "WTF just happened?"
Frankly, it SCARES me that that wasn't absurd
enough!
A friend of mine, Charlie Stross, recently had to rewrite the outline
of a novel because his bleak dystopian vision of the near-future "free
world" wasn't _nearly_ bleak enough and the actual world has turned a
lot worse. After his hasty rewrite, it's gone nastier again.
His novel will now
seem like a cheerful upbeat alternate timeline instead.
And I guess this was after Trump, same response.
I guess these days it is hard to write dystopian fiction since reality
is hell bent to out do your darkest nightmares.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
2 Feb
2 Feb
9:45 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request at classiccmp.org: confirm
38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
----------------------
Worked for me. ;-)
m
WTF did I just read.
An agreement with Mouse about plain-text, by sarcastically
objecting to use of plain text in the RFC, segueing into an
off-the-wall rant objecting to planned obsolescence.
It was inspired by finding only Youtube videos for some simple
information, end of support for XP, involuntary Win7 to Win10 upgrade,
etc.
I intended it to be absurd enough to provide some humor.
It apparently failed at that.
Sorry.
3 Feb
3 Feb
12:24 a.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
WTF did I just read.
Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the "yodeling
jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :)
Also, QUIT TOP POSTING.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
1:51 a.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
WTF did I just read.
term of his
indenture to use Outhouse-look, part of the Microsoft Orifice
suite of floating turds. Even if you set it to do the right thing, it will
randomly choose to once again do the Microsoft Thing.
-- Ian (obviously the other one again)
Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the "yodeling
jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :)
Also, QUIT TOP POSTING.
Be gentle, Gene. Ian works for the Evil Ex-Empire and is required as a
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
--
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The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
8:03 a.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Ian S. King <isking at uw.edu> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb <geneb at
deltasoft.com> wrote:
right. I have no problem with "Evil Ex-Empire", though.
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
WTF did I just read.
>
> Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the
"yodeling
jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake
internet points if I could. :)
Also, QUIT TOP POSTING.
Be gentle, Gene. Ian works for the Evil Ex-Empire and is required as a
term of
his indenture to use Outhouse-look, part of the Microsoft Orifice
suite of floating turds. Even if you set it to do the right thing, it will
randomly choose to once again do the Microsoft Thing.
-- Ian (obviously the other one again)
I read that at first as "Ex-Evil Empire", which does not sound quite
1:55 p.m.
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian S. King wrote:
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb <geneb at
deltasoft.com> wrote:
Sounds like an Intervention may be required. :)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
WTF did I just read.
term of
his indenture to use Outhouse-look, part of the Microsoft Orifice
suite of floating turds. Even if you set it to do the right thing, it will
randomly choose to once again do the Microsoft Thing.
Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the "yodeling
jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :)
Also, QUIT TOP POSTING.
Be gentle, Gene. Ian works for the Evil Ex-Empire and is required as a
4 Feb
4 Feb
midnight
New subject: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-request@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:55 AM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian S. King wrote:
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
I keep telling him he should come work on spaceships with me.
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote:
Sounds like an Intervention may be required. :)
g
WTF did I just read.
term of his indenture to use Outhouse-look, part of the Microsoft Orifice
suite of floating turds. Even if you set it to do the right thing, it
will
randomly choose to once again do the Microsoft Thing.
Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the
"yodeling
jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :)
Also, QUIT TOP POSTING.
Be gentle, Gene. Ian works for the Evil Ex-Empire and is required as a
1 Feb
1 Feb
4:09 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> wrote:
If you think that, you _really_ need to read 3676.
Nope. Just because you refuse to believe in a world beyond the teletype doesn?t mean one
doesn?t exist. The RFC you cite even admits that; the recommendation for 78-character
lines is not a MUST in any case.
I?m actually a little surprised you?re citing such a recent RFC, honestly, rather than
something from the early 1990s.
Also, in case you weren?t aware, just like an Internet-Draft isn?t an RFC, an RFC isn?t a
standard. This one is a proposed standard, but it?s been one for over a decade now, so I
wouldn?t hold my breath on it.
-- Chris
-- who was a user of the email system where the creators of MIME developed their ideas
(Speaking
of best practices, you're generating paragraph-length
lines; you might want to read RFC 3676.)
That???s up to the receiving MUA to deal
with, not the sending one. 
1 Feb
1 Feb
10:36 a.m.
It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best
practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him.
What you say may be true but I do not believe this is the root of the problem.
(I also find it hard to see how you know whether Gmail and other mail systems
reject messages from him unless he told you this. There is a big difference
between "messages from him" and "messages posted by him to a mailing
list".)
Ask him to fix his email setup. I think it's because he is essentially
spoofing the from address and using a different SMTP relay? I don't
remember.
By the time Gmail gets to see postings to the mailing list, they are coming
from the cctech mailing list server, not from an AOL
mailserver or my
mailserver or anybody else's mailserver. If Gmail is noticing
that mails
with an AOL from address are coming from a non-AOL mailserver, they should
be noticing the same thing about all the other mails posted to the mailing
list. None of them (except maybe postings from Jay) are coming from the
mailservers associated with the from address - they are all from the cctech
mailing list server.
Should Gmail should be regarding all cctech mailing list mails as having
spoofed from addresses because the from addresses are not in the
classiccmp.org domain? If not, why only some of them?
Does Gmail have tech support that might explain exactly why they are bouncing
mailing list emails for you when other mailing list subscribers are able to
receive them with no problems?
I guess when you use a free mail service like Gmail, you get to put up with
whatever way they want to do things and they feel they are not under any
obligation to tell you what they are doing in any great detail or to
justify it other than to say "we think it works great".
Regards,
Peter Coghlan
5:56 p.m.
It fails DMARC verification. AOL has published. Google knows the original sender was an
AOL.COM address. It faILS.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Coghlan
Sent: 01 February 2017 10:36
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: [cctalk-request at classiccmp.org: confirm
38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best
practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him.
What you say may be true but I do not believe this is the root of the problem.
(I also find it hard to see how you know whether Gmail and other mail
systems reject messages from him unless he told you this. There is a big
difference between "messages from him" and "messages posted by him to a
mailing list".)
Ask him to fix his email setup. I think it's because he is essentially
spoofing the from address and using a different SMTP relay? I don't
remember.
By the time Gmail gets to see postings to the mailing list, they are coming
from the cctech mailing list server, not from an AOL mailserver or my
mailserver or anybody else's mailserver. If Gmail is noticing that mails with an
AOL from address are coming from a non-AOL mailserver, they should be
noticing the same thing about all the other mails posted to the mailing list.
None of them (except maybe postings from Jay) are coming from the
mailservers associated with the from address - they are all from the cctech
mailing list server.
Should Gmail should be regarding all cctech mailing list mails as having
spoofed from addresses because the from addresses are not in the
classiccmp.org domain? If not, why only some of them?
Does Gmail have tech support that might explain exactly why they are
bouncing mailing list emails for you when other mailing list subscribers are
able to receive them with no problems?
I guess when you use a free mail service like Gmail, you get to put up with
whatever way they want to do things and they feel they are not under any
obligation to tell you what they are doing in any great detail or to justify it
other than to say "we think it works great".
Regards,
Peter Coghlan
11:36 a.m.
ams at gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) wrote:
Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been
reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten
years.
I got "server failed" several times when I tried to look up the MX records for
gnu.org. It seems to be working now though.
Maybe this is a different problem or an issue at my end but if it isn't,
this could be the reason your mailing list mail is getting bounced.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
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